DVD-RB Pro with HC 5% load on i7 920

[TigerLord]

I thought I'd make another thread since the issue titled in my other one has officially been resolved. I am running Windows 7 64bit on a X58 motherboard (ICHR10 chipset) with an i7 920 overclocked to 4.0GHZ. I have IxE disabled in BIOS, as well as HT as I read a few posts during my Google search that said disabling HT might help. I have 6GB of DDR3-1600 RAM in triple channel.

I've been struggling to find an encoder that works well with DVD-RB... HC was too slow (22 hours for a single episode encode), CCE SP2 is bloody fast but I get a "Cinema Craft Encoder SP2 has stopped working" error during one of the m2v reencode, Procoder was just as slow as HC, etc...

I then noticed that even with HT disabled and HC running 4 instances, my CPU load never goes beyond 15% at best. Priority is set to NORMAL in the option in DVD-RB.

My Google searches have turned up empty. I don't understand this... it has been years since I used CCE or any other encoders, but last time, it would use 100% of the CPU without issue.

What the hell is causing a bottleneck? I tried using my C:\ partition as the "working" and "output" HD (2x SSD in RAID0), I also tried a RAID1 partition with normal HDD. The CPU load problem is identical. Hovers between 4-15%, never above.

Why doesn't it use 100%? Is this OS or hardware related?

I have DVD-RB Pro's latest version.

Thank you for your help.

[TigerLord]

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[TigerLord]

I used a different built of CCE SP2 and was able to achieve 100% load with it... the whole process from start to finish took less than 20 minutes. That's more like it!

So it looks like something is going on on the software level with HC. Not sure why. If I can help find what it is for future improvement, I'll be glad to help!

[steptoe]

Something is very wrong, have you set-up DVD-RB to use HCEnc as the encoder, stupid question but I've done it

On my older Q6600 it only took about 3 hours for a full DVD-9 rip to DVD-5, even using HCEnc highest video settings


Also, enable multi-instances of HCEnc. It will happily gobble up as much CPU as it can get, I personally turn it off so I can still use the computer for other things with HCEnc running very happily and still getting impressive framerates. With it on it should be running at 100% without any problems, but I found it actually slower as the CPU then didn't have any spare cycles for background work

Turn off lossless mode if you have it set, I found it doesn't appear to do much if its on, unless you use very slow filters that will benefit it, and did make a big difference in speed due to copy huge files backwards and forwards between encodes


With my i5-2500k running at 4.5ghz I can easily get a minimum of 200fps on a full DVD project (with no avisynth filters running)

The i7 is much better at video work, so you should be able to get better than that without trying very hard

Also, try changing HCEnc to 0.26, it fixes a couple of issues with 0.25. Just copy the file over and rename it to what is there already. HCbatch.exe I think it is as I haven't got around to reinstalling DVD-RB after some software screwed up my pci sata drivers so had to reinstall win7 and repair two hard drives with content I couldn't afford to lose as it also took down the MFT on each drive. Not fun when they were 500GB each

And set HCEnc to IDLE setting, if your using the computer for nothing else then this may help with background tasking, HCEnc is a notorious CPU hog running at IDLE smooths things out and spreads the CPU cyles between all tasks. With it set at NORMAL it could be grabbing more than it needs

Personally I also use AVAMAT6 for bitrates less than 3500, and AVAMAT7 for bitrates above 3500. These were apparently tuned for that purpose, but matrix shoudn't show a 24 hour encode

On your set-up that should be no more than 3 hours tops


If you can, post your dvd-rb.ini file, that also controls what settings hcenc uses. That should show exactly what settings you have set. If you are using AviSynth filters, try disabling them as see what happens. Some an incredibly slow, especially the filter fuctions. Less than 10fps or even 2FPS is common for the very complex filters, like the motion compensation functions that can easily call 5 or 6 even slower filters, but the end results and incredible


Reading your post again, I believe your using an SSD for your work, trying changing that to a 'normal' SATA/IDE drive as I belive SSD are not really designed for disk intensive operation that contantly read/write like DVD-RB will

And use the SSD drives to read your source files, that might speed things up

Keeping the source and ouput on two different drive will also make a big difference as the drive isn't 'thrashing' about on the same drive. Not different partition, but totally different devices

If your using RAID mode, is is possible for you to try a non-RAID device, I don't really understand much about RAID but I believe its putting the same data on different drive so if you lose one you still have an identical backup, so you are really writing twice as much data for every operation, which to me would double to write times as its doing twice as much work

[TigerLord]

What is a good program to RIP my DVD to my SSD so I can use the source from my SSD instead of a DVD-ROM?

[Groucho2004]

What is a good program to RIP my DVD to my SSD so I can use the source from my SSD instead of a DVD-ROM?

Hang on, are you saying that you have been using your DVD drive as the source drive?

[TigerLord]

Yes, because whenever I ripped it beforehand with DVD Decrypter, it wouldn't accept the ripped VIDEO_TS folder, either saying there was nothing there or it gave me an error.

Why does it matter? Doesn't DVD-RB first rip the DVD to the "working folder" THEN encodes it, anyway?

[Groucho2004]

Why does it matter? Doesn't DVD-RB first rip the DVD to the "working folder" THEN encodes it, anyway?

No. The original VOBs are used by DGDecode -> Avisynth. Furthermore, if you use 4 instances of HC, your DVD drive will go nuts with the seeking, not to mention that this is very slow and wears out the drive.

There are several decrypting options , AnyDVD for example. I'm not up to date with the decrypters so other people will give you more info on that.

Edit: If you're not using DVDDecrypter, what are you using?

[TigerLord]

Oh my, this would explain it...

I did try using DVDDecrypter, but it wouldn't accept the VIDEO_TS folder. I will try again, then AnyDVD.

[TigerLord]

AnyDVD worked superbly, 100% load with HC now...

I feel like such a fucking noob for thinking DVD-RB actually ripped it first... let us all forget this!

[Ch3vr0n]

That's probably because it's not designed to be a ripper? It's a recoder, the reason DVDDecrypter probably didnt accept it is because its YEARS old and no longer maintained and the disc probably had some form of protection like "structural protection" that it couldnt handle

[TigerLord]

DVD-RB uses other programs to do the actual work of encoding (avisynth, encoder of your choice, img burn to create iso, etc.) so it would stand to reason it might also have included a ripping application to facilitate the process. The idea isn't that far fetched.

[Capsbackup]

AnyDVD worked superbly, 100% load with HC now...

I feel like such a fucking noob for thinking DVD-RB actually ripped it first... let us all forget this!

DVD-RB uses other programs to do the actual work of encoding (avisynth, encoder of your choice, img burn to create iso, etc.) so it would stand to reason it might also have included a ripping application to facilitate the process. The idea isn't that far fetched.

This would bring about legal problems, as jdobbs has said:

DVD ReBuilder V1.27.3
Author: JDOBBS

PURPOSE:

This software is designed to be used as a method of backing up DVDs. Note the
wording: It is NOT meant to be used as a tool for copyright infringement -- but
instead for LEGALLY creating backups of DVDs that you own.

Your acceptance to use the software implies you have read the disclaimers. ;)
You admit you made a mistake in thinking DVD-RB rips the disc too, but now your stretching it! :(

[TigerLord]

Couldn't you argue ripping a DVD is part of the process of backing up the DVD? It obviously is since backing up becomes a problem if you do not... I'm not familiar with the legalese in all country, but under fair use where I live, if you make a copy of a DVD you own, such as the case here, it is not infringement.

Is ripping considered infringement in the US?

[Ch3vr0n]

Thats a double edge sword. In most countries backing up a disc you own is legal. However circumventing the protections on a disc to PREVENT creating such backups are NOT legal. Rendering the "create your own backup is ok" thing unuseable.

[TigerLord]

Thats a double edge sword. In most countries backing up a disc you own is legal. However circumventing the protections on a disc to PREVENT creating such backups are NOT legal. Rendering the "create your own backup is ok" thing unuseable.

I see. Interesting concept.

I guess I'm gonna be thankful everything is working fine and leave it at that :D

HC at SLOWEST (BEST) setting took about 29 minutes for about 2h20 runtime, so it's great.

Assuming I have HC, CCE SP2 and Procoder to use, are they all consider equal or does one of them have a slight edge in quality? The debate is ongoing about anywhere, but most thread I found were from 2009 or 2010... wondering if anything has changed?

[chainring]

Back when I was backing up DVD9 to DVD5 (just over a year ago, maybe), I tested HC OPV, CCE SP2 and Procoder. IIRC, HC was a tiny bit slower, but I liked the overall visual output more than the other two encoders.