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[Arcon]

The Avisynth version does not currently support the 6-way comparison.

ok, this solves all my questions from above at once ;)

If you have just a few such frames,

the ghosts appear every ~50 frames (in the scene from the screenshots 3 times in 10 frames, so this depends), the artifacts every time a scene changes or something moves rapidly.

is it really a big deal, especially when you can't notice them when played at normal speed?

for me it is, but maybe my demands are to high. at least i did notice them, since i first used greedyhma and found the same ghosts while watching the encoded material. i then decided to try telecide to get rid of them. so if you intend to adapt your filter to the fox way of storing pal-dvds in the next few months i'll definitely wait for that before i encode the whole dvd-box :)

Maybe you can use the VirtualDub version for this application?

if this works it would be perfect, too. but right now i'm not sure if i use it the wrong way or if it doesn't help either for my material. i removed all plugins from my avs-file, opened the avs in vd, selected the codec, loaded the telecide-filter and encoded the frames. but the result doesn't look quite different. the frames look pretty much like the ones made with the avs-version, only that i can still see the comb-lines :(

if it would be usefull for you i could cut this scene from the vob-file and send it to you. it's just 30 frames long.

[Guest]

>if it would be usefull for you i could cut this scene
>from the vob-file and send it to you. it's just 30 frames long.

OK. If possible include a portion that has blends in both fields.

[Arcon]

thanks for looking at my problem :)

the link to the sample has been sent via pm.

[Guest]

@Arcon

You wrote in your PM:i'm not quite sure what you mean with 'include a portion that has blends in both fields' since i thought blending means to combine two fields.If you do a SeparateFields() on your clip and view the individual fields, you will see that some of them are each blends of two pictures. One field that has two pictures blended is called a "blended field". If you see such fields both in the top and the bottom, I say that you have blends in both fields.

Furthermore, if you study the field sequence of the clip, you will realize that there is simply no way to correctly match the fields so as to produce good progressive frames (even with six-way comparison). The clip has been ruined by the mastering process. My guess is that it was done as part of one or more format conversions.

As I describe in the Decomb help file, there is nothing you can do to get progressive frames out of such clips. The best you can do is to use blend deinterlacing as postprocessing for Telecide(). Usually these blends are not objectionable when the clip is viewed at normal speed. Naive viewers don't notice anything wrong.

[Arcon]

The clip has been ruined by the mastering process. My guess is that it was done as part of one or more format conversions.

hm, ok. at least i can encode it now knowing that it can't be fixed. thanks for your help anyhow :)

but just one last question: why did some of the problem frames became better when i used swap=true? ok, others went worse, but at that time i hoped that some magic 'smartswap' function could help in this case to combine the best of both settings.

[Guest]

It depends on the specific sequence of fields. If the blend is in the bottom and Telecide() is matching on bottom, then it can't find a match. If you change the reverse option (not swap) it may be OK because it matches on the top. See the theory of operation description in the Decomb help file.

The problem is that you have frames that have blends in both the top and the bottom. There is no way to match these. There are other situations, too, that leave you with no match. If you read the theory of operation and then look at the field sequence, it should all become very clear.

Your question also tells me you didn't understand what I've said about 6-way comparisons, etc. Did you read the Decomb help file, specifically the Appendix?

[Arcon]

Did you read the Decomb help file, specifically the Appendix?

nope, i only read the part about blending. i read the appendix just after your post.

[Valky]

I also want to share my efforts with this DVD. I have ripped many movies myself, but since this one is definetely the hardest so far I help if it's still needed.

The only working script is this mentioned above, so made 'name.avs' file with notepad and copy paste this in it:




LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\mpeg2dec.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\decombLegacy.dll")
mpeg2source("E:\F_CD1\3\3.d2v")
Telecide(firstlast=true,blend=false)
crop(11,2,698,572)
BicubicResize(544,416,0,0.5)


Load this to virtua-dub (v1.4.13).
See that you have the latest decomb plugin in the correct place (mine is default installation root for GordianKnot).
My goal was to fit 4 episodes to one CD and that means 175mb filesize for each episode. Since vbr 128kbs mp3 file for each AC3 audio was 18mb-18.6mb so that the correct filesize for each in xvid 2-pass int was: 159744
I use koepis xvid build 9-12-02. This version hasn't gave me any errors with virtua-dub like others after that. My settings were 1 b-frame/150 and only qpel. And 10% frame boost for the second pass.

These settings and codec gave me perfect video without any artifacts or ghost images!! And the filesize was just 175mb on almost every episode after I muxed the audio with Nandub.

First I made these episodes with DivX 5.02 Pro with b-frames and qpel and normal psycho. Quality was pretty good althought all of them were undersized. They were about 150-166mb each.
I just wanted to test this XviD-codec with cartoons before I decided to sell this DVD-box and the quality with XviD was much more satisfying than the episodes encodec with DivX 5.02!!

[starfish]

Originally posted by Valky
These settings and codec gave me perfect video without any artifacts or ghost images!! And the filesize was just 175mb on almost every episode after I muxed the audio with Nandub.

First I made these episodes with DivX 5.02 Pro with b-frames and qpel and normal psycho. Quality was pretty good althought all of them were undersized. They were about 150-166mb each.
I just wanted to test this XviD-codec with cartoons before I decided to sell this DVD-box and the quality with XviD was much more satisfying than the episodes encodec with DivX 5.02!!

Hmm... This seems odd to me. I was (I think, it's been a while since I coded these dvd's) unable to get rid of all the ghosting, but the 'shit' was avoided with the 'antishit' option.

It I'm not all wrong, the ghosting has nothing to do with the codec, since it's decomb's output that contains the ghosts... I guess xvid maybe could eliminate the 'shit', but it would be impossible for the xvid-codec to decide if the ghost images are intended or not.

It you really got true progressive (or at least a file with no ghosting) I have to congratulate you :) I wasn't able to do this, but the decomb-filter has developed a lot since my rips, and I haven't been much into the changes lately, so I guess this is your main advantage over my rips, not the divx3.11->xvid change...

But, as I said, I'm not 100% updated anymore, so I might be wrong :)

b.r.
starfish

[Valky]

Well..I have been comparing these three sources..dvd, divx 5.02 and xvid files. And I dont find anymore those annoying ghost-images that were so obvious in that dvd-disc. But I also think that codec didn't do it. It is that DecombLegacy.dll.

But overall that XviD codec gave me much more sharpen and clearer picture than Divx 5.02. Maby I was just lucky :)

[ermannob]

IMO ghost effects will never go away completely.:mad:
i tried different setup of decomb filter for days... but i never got perfect results.

I'm trying to encode these dvds in these days. This thread game me big help. thank you everybody!;)


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[cowlemon]

so what is the best way to encode the series? can someone post the script?

[SpAwN_gUy]

wELL, recentely i was RiPPiNG Azumanga DVDs.. ^_^ the quality was(for XviD) ~110%... yeah,.. i Kown :).. and i DO NOT have Scripts,.. but i do have GKnot ini file. and while i was loocking through several Forums found Interesting Results. So, Here is the Deal(c) HACKERS
Oh, yeah, Input was NTSC Partially Interlased Material (why Partially? .. Intros and Outros were NonInterlased, and the whole Serie WAS.. and TomsMoComp gave me really Wierd Results... weah I had SEX wis My PS :) ).. SO:
Telecide(order=1,post=2).Decimate(5,0,0.0,3.0,2,"",false) [Decomb]
or Just
Telecide(order=1).Decimate() [Decomb]
then CROP...
... and then One of the Following Filters, depending on PCPower you Have..(Didn't noticed any great Differents betwen Those..)
Deen("a3d",2,5,5,5) [Deen]
Deen("a3d",1,5,5,3) [Deen]
Convolution3D("animeHQ") [Convolution3D]
..then, Started using this Filter recently
ColorMatrix("Rec.709->Rec.601",false) [ColorMatrix]
..and then
--> RESIZE

well it was GOOD for ANiME Encoding.. proove me wrong,.. and ANY Comments would be Great..

Sorry 4 Ma BAD Inglish :)