Is it possible to watch 3d bluray and mkv 3d on pc

[svcdprayer]

hello everyone,

Im wondering how could i watch 3d bluray and mkv 3d from hard drive is there any software available yet? Im wondering if then i could watch it on 3dTV? If so what would be the process?

now im using mpc-hc

thanks everyone very much

[cvrle77]

You need stereoscopic player for watching it from PC to 3D TV

[svcdprayer]

You need stereoscopic player for watching it from PC to 3D TV

thank you for your answer, i really apprechiate it very much! however on their website faq says that it dosent support bluray disks 3d as of yet.

in features tab isnt mentioned mkv support. have you actually used the player by checking if u can play mkv 3d with it?

im just wondering by just having my pc to be a streamer to play media on 3d tv, is it necessary to have 3d monitor and 3d tv for it aswell?

thanks everyone

[weasel_]

I dont know for blu ray
But mkv SBS and TB u can play in stereoscopic player without problem.

[svcdprayer]

I dont know for blu ray
But mkv SBS and TB u can play in stereoscopic player without problem.

thank you very much, i do have few questions please:

1. can you please tell me what sbs and tb stand for and what is the difference, or just point so i can read please

2. does also stereoscopic player support srt subtitles external and internal inside mkv please?

3. im just wondering by just having my pc to be a streamer to play media 3d mkv from pc on 3d tv, is it necessary to have 3d monitor and 3d tv for it aswell?

4. also what kind of 3d glasses would you suggest to use when it comes to watch streamed media on 3dtv

i do apologize for so many questions.

thanks everyone

[weasel_]

1)side by side ( half resolution) and top bottom = 2 mandatory 3d formats (search on google u will find what u need ;) ) if dont ask
2) i dont know i dont use subtitle but u can see at 3dtv
3)display must have real 120hz = they must be 3d

[akoten]

Although the 3D rendering and conversion features are very well done stereoscopic player still lacks of so many convenient features so that it still is not useable in daily life. To name some:

- No display of any subtitles
- No audio track other than the first one
- No suppression of monitor standby
- No volume control in fullscreen mode (the same for play/pause/stop/rewind/...)
- Not free

What we would need are the "convenience" things of MPC-HC and the 3D input and output features of stereoscopic player combined in one application.

Does anybody know if such exists?

Another idea: The 3D part would perfectly fit in a DirectShow filter, e.g. as a "renderer" filter. Does such exist?

best regards
ako673de

[JanWillem32]

I've taken a look at the 3D rendering methods ages ago, as it's been around for games/rendered art for a very long time already. It's about the same as with rendering to two monitors. That's really not a problem to integrate. It's more that I don't have any clue about how to get the 3D video source decoded and mixed with the VMR-9 and EVR mixers. I don't have any 3D equipment and 3D blu-ray video sources, either. I believe that's also the common situation with the other OSS developers.

[akoten]

For "source" you could put together any two videos side by side, e.g. using the AviSynth function "StackHorizontal()", compress it to say H.264 and pack it into an mkv container. The resulting file will very well match the 3D material that already is around on the internet where this format has been establised as a second quasi standard along with MVC. Of course it's better to have two really stereoscopic views in the target file, but for testing it will do.

The desired DS filter would have to split both halfs of the pictures, stretch them to fit the original aspect ratio and then output them. I could send you a complete AviSynth script that already does the whole job (on a very fast processor!) for anaglyph output. You just would have to rewrite the code to make it A LOT faster. No need for rendering here, just let the default renderer do the job on the anaglyphized output pin.

Most 3D TVs detect 3D material by a special HDMI format (as defined in the HDMI 1.4 specs), which means nothing more than another line in my AVIsynth script, and therefore still no need for rendering yourself.

I don't know how output to two monitors works in detail, but I guess that each monitor might have it's own renderer. So, if you provide two output pins that can connect to renderers, you're almost done here, too. Still no need for rendering yourself.

After all I think rendering won't be necessary in most cases. Exceptions could be all kinds of hardware, like e.g. shutter glasses, that has to run synchronously with the footage.

I hope this was of any help...
ako673de

[janos666]

Hahh, my 3D shutter glasses are already on their way from South-Korea and I just realized that it will be very difficult to use my PC as a 3D player.
(Of course, I ordered them mostly for testing purposes because I am curious what could my TV offer, I will probably sell the glasses after a week. :D)
Both my TV (2011 Samsung plasma) and VGA card support HDMI 1.4, so I would use an appropriate 3D format for 3D Blu-Ray cinema movies without reducing the resolution.
As much as I understand, SBS and TB cuts the horizontal or vertical resolution in half by default, because you still use 1920x1080p24 resolution for you VGA.

I guess we need to output 1920x1080p48 with 2x24 frames or 3840x1080p24 / 1920x2160p24 resolutions with SBS or TB encoding. But I am not sure how the TV will understand that.

What about PowerDVD? I saw a screenshot about it's menu and it seems like it offers different modes for "real 120Hz LCD" and "3D Ready HDTV" as well.

[akoten]

I guess we need to output 1920x1080p48 with 2x24 frames or 3840x1080p24 / 1920x2160p24 resolutions with SBS or TB encoding. But I am not sure how the TV will understand that.
HDMI spec says that both sides have to be on top of each other - and separated by 45 (!) horizontal blank lines, so the overall res would be 1920x2205. Why 45? Don't ask me, maybe because many software resizers have problems with odd frame sizes :S.

Question about PowerDVD: Does it understand anything else than bare BDs, does it split and interpret MKVs correctly (subtitles, 2nd audio)? If not it's not very much more useful than StereoPlayer.

Question about the "korean" glasses: Tell me about the quality and the price and where I can get them, if they are good.

ako673de

[janos666]

I found them on ebay. It was 60 GPB with shipping from korea.

PowerDVD works fine. I just set my output as HDMI 1.4 and 1080p24 compatible 3D TV and I also enabled hardware accelerated decoding.
It tells me that it must switch to fullscreen mode (I guess it's D3DFS but the initial background looks like the overlay surface used to look), the glasses turns on automatically and 3D works. I can't notice any resolution loss.

Otherwise, this technology is still very funny. If I turn around in my room with the lights on while the TV is in 3D mode (so the glasses are working) I can see a mild brightness pulsation with about 1/2 sec amplitude and real life motion (my hands, for example) look very lumpy too, just like the movie itself (which is obviously even worse with 24fps and non-perfect sync...).
I don't know if these galasses are broken or not. The 3D illusion on the other hand works fine (but I checked it with RE4 only yet. I think I will watch Tron tonight).

PS: And the glasses are very sensitive. I accidentally touched one of them with my finger while I tried to hold it between my spectrophotometer and the PDP (to calibrate the 3D mode) and I caused some scratches on it when I tried to clean up my fingerprint. I don't think it could survive more than a week with little children around...

[akoten]

...which is obviously even worse with 24fps and non-perfect sync...

Ah, yes, I forgot one of the most significant reasons for re-encoding to MKV: LCDs normally don't have refresh rates of 23.967 or multiples, they might understand such frame rate, but the experience is jerkyness (if both aspects are to be displayed on one screen like for shutter glasses!). In general it's always a good idea to convert to 25fps (and buy an at least 100Hz LCD, or convert to 30Hz if you want to stick to your standard 60Hz LCD)...

Fullscreen mode btw is necessary to force the desired frame rate. There are other reasons but the most important one is that in windowed mode the movie framerate would be tried to integrate into the Windows refresh rate. Obviously this can only work for some frame rate/refresh rate combinations, and odd ones like 23.976fps for sure doesn't match any of them. Yes, D3D is the solution, because it can establish it's own refresh rate.

ako673de

P.S: So, did anybody check PowerDVD with a 3D-MKV (with subtitles and a second audio stream)? I don't want to install this extremely agressive application (has often corrupted my DS configuration, or installed useless and hard to remove things on my computers) if I don't know that I REALLY need it.

[janos666]

It's a PDP, not an LCD (Samsung PN51D550), so it can adapt to the input refresh rates correctly.
I think it requires fullscreen mode to render in higher resolution than the Windows desktop resolution (the refresh rate control is another good reason but it's not essential like the 2x resolution).