Any free MVC encoder yet?

[nm]

So i suspect whether the information of this "info()" is OK?
It's what AviSynth sees. Any problems/bugs are in the source filters and the external splitters and decoders that they might use. DirectShowSource is especially difficult because it uses random components that you have installed on the system. Try FFMS2 next.

[rica]

It's what AviSynth sees. Any problems/bugs are in the source filters and the external splitters and decoders that they might use. DirectShowSource is especially difficult because it uses random components that you have installed on the system. Try FFMS2 next.

FFVideoSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.h264")


And the result:

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4617/finalwl.png (http://img225.imageshack.us/i/finalwl.png/)

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[rica]

The next and the last trial will be with DGNVTools when i put the nVidia card back.

[rica]

But my sixth sense says i gonna fix the issue if somebody show me the way how to get 2 frames as RefFrames?

[nm]

FFVideoSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.h264")

FFVideoSource doesn't support elementary streams. Mux it to MP4 or MKV, or use the original M2TS.

But my sixth sense says i gonna fix the issue if somebody show me the way how to get 2 frames as RefFrames?

How do you think that would help?

[rica]

FFVideoSource doesn't support elementary streams. Mux it to MP4 or MKV, or use the original M2TS.



How do you think that would help?

OK.
No problem in re-muxing of left video but none of those known muxers accepts this silly right.h264, you know...


Second :
Dunno i just feel as i told.

[nm]

OK.
No problem in re-muxing of left video but none of those known muxers accepts this silly right.h264, you know...

But you aren't going to use FFMS for that, right...

[rica]

But you aren't going to use FFMS for that, right...

Yeah, you're right... :)

Even we get the right info from the left video via FFMS, this info wouldn't be change since the right video is gonna keep using H264StereoSource, right? And still we wouldn't compare them...

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6031/rightci.png (http://img401.imageshack.us/i/rightci.png/)

[BlackSharkfr]

Are you sure you got the frame count right for H264stereosource

What happens if you do :
H264StereoSource("decoder.cfg",103652)

[nm]

Even we get the right info from the left video via FFMS, this info wouldn't be change since the right video is gonna keep using H264StereoSource, right? And still we wouldn't compare them...
At least you should get the correct frame size without cropping the left video. Then you can interleave the clips without the frame size error and get to see what frames are missing and where.

[rica]

Are you sure you got the frame count right for H264stereosource

What happens if you do :
H264StereoSource("decoder.cfg",103652)

The real frame number is 64174 (what eac3to shows) since it is 44.36 minutes.


At least you should get the correct frame size without cropping the left video. Then you can interleave the clips without the frame size error and get to see what frames are missing and where.

This works:

FFVideoSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.m2ts")


But this doesn't work:

FFVideoSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.m2ts")
info()


BTW DirectShowSource shows 1080p on the left video as well. (it's not 1088)
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[BlackSharkfr]

What about this ?

info( FFVideoSource("c:\......left.m2ts") )

and

info( H264StereoSource("c:\......right.m2ts") )

[rica]

What about this ?

info( FFVideoSource("c:\......left.m2ts") )

and

info( H264StereoSource("c:\......right.m2ts") )

info(FFVideoSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.m2ts"))


http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3110/98354434.png (http://img156.imageshack.us/i/98354434.png/)

[rica]

Ok here is another trial with DGNVTools:

LoadPlugin("C:\DG\DGDecodeNV.dll")
LoadPlugin("H264StereoSource.dll")
lv = DGSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.dgi")
rv= H264StereoSource("decoder.cfg",64140)
Interleave(lv, rv)
ConvertToYV12()

And i get the same result:

C:\H264StereoSource_a2>x264 --fps 23.976 --level 4.1 --sar 1:1 --aud --frame-packing 5 -ofinal.264 trial.avs

avs [error]: Interleave: videos must be of the same size.
(trial.avs, line 5)
x264 [error]: could not open input file `trial.avs'


And all those trials prove my thesis:

But my sixth sense says i gonna fix the issue if somebody show me the way how to get 2 frames as RefFrames?


PS: "64140" info is given by DGNVTools log file.. So i used this frame info...
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[rica]

So i suppose i've given it a go with all possible permutations.

[BlackSharkfr]

Ok so that's not a problem with interleave, it's normal. The left view fails to open and gives an error message, you're trying to combine a picture with an error message.

Keep interleaving aside for now, your first priority is to get a picture with each source alone.
Check DGsource alone, see if you get a picture and get the info.
Then check H264StereoSource and also see if you get a picture (the preview won't be able to seek, you'll have to use the "next frame" key a lot)

What if you use DirectShowSource to open the left view ? That's what I used. (there are some annoying checks to always do because DirectShow often gets the wrong colour levels caused by the graphics card acceleration, make sure you decode the pictures properly with a DirectShow based player like mediaplayerclassic for example).

[rica]

Ok so that's not a problem with interleave, it's normal. The left view fails to open and gives an error message, you're trying to combine a picture with an error message.

Keep interleaving aside for now, your first priority is to get a picture with each source alone.
Check DGsource alone, see if you get a picture and get the info.

What if you use DirectShowSource to open the left view ? That's what I used. (there are some annoying checks to always do because DirectShow often gets the wrong colour levels caused by the graphics card acceleration, make sure you decode the pictures properly with a DirectShow based player like mediaplayerclassic for example).

No problem with left video...
I can always get individual encodes from left and right using seperated aviscripts.
The question is i can not get a lossless avi from the right video individually or i can not combine two videos in one step.

[nm]

What if you use DirectShowSource to open the left view ?
That's what he tried first.

I suggest cropping both views to 1920x1080 if nothing else helps. Rica is sure having some strange problems with this encoding job.

[rica]

That's what he tried first.

I suggest cropping both views to 1920x1080 if nothing else helps. Rica is sure having some strange problems with this encoding job.

Yes,

DirectShowSource,
FFVideoSource,
DGSource have been tried.

One step encoding and two step encoding have been tried.

Individual avi lossless encoding has been tried.


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[BlackSharkfr]

OK then if when opening the videos individually work then maybe one last try and I run out of ideas :

interleave(ConvertToYV12(lv), ConvertToYV12(rv))

What I do not understand though is why opening just the video would work and the info() would fail.

[rica]

Wait,

I allowed DGNVTools to crop the left video and i got cropped left.dgi.

And this time bottom avs seems to work :)

LoadPlugin("C:\DG\DGDecodeNV.dll")
LoadPlugin("H264StereoSource.dll")
lv = DGSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.dgi")
rv= H264StereoSource("decoder.cfg",64140)
Interleave(lv, rv)
ConvertToYV12()

I leave my PC open and i go to bed: (dunno it's gonna failed or not?)

C:\H264StereoSource_a2>x264 --fps 23.976 --level 4.1 --sar 1:1 --aud --frame-packing 5 -o final.264 trial.avs

avs [info]: 1920x1080p 1:1 @ 48000/1001 fps (cfr)
x264 [info]: using SAR=1/1
x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 FastShuffle SSE4.2
x264 [info]: profile High, level 4.1
[2.1%] 2650/128347 frames, 6.42 fps, 3181.34 kb/s, eta 5:26:06

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[BlackSharkfr]

If you don't want to wait for the entire movie, use a limit.
I didn't try it but I don't think using might be a good idea, H264stereosource might screw it up.

One thing you can do (which I used and which works) is to use x264 "--frames" additional parameter to force x264 to stop encoding after a certain number of frames.
Try something like --frames 500 or --frames 1000

[kieranrk]

C:\H264StereoSource_a2>x264 --fps 23.976 --level 4.1 --sar 1:1 --aud --frame-packing 5 -o final.264 trial.avs


FPS is wrong.

--fps 24000/1001

[rica]

If you don't want to wait for the entire movie, use a limit.
I didn't try it but I don't think using might be a good idea, H264stereosource might screw it up.

One thing you can do (which I used and which works) is to use x264 "--frames" additional parameter to force x264 to stop encoding after a certain number of frames.
Try something like --frames 500 or --frames 1000

Next time. Thanks.

FPS is wrong.

--fps 24000/1001

You're right. But it was just a trial.
If i get something i will improve the encoding parameters.
Thanks.


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[rica]

Ok guys, yesterday night it failed somewhere.

Today i gave it a go with a cut:

C:\H264StereoSource_a2>x264 --fps 24000/1001 --level 4.1 --sar 1:1 --aud --frames 6000 --frame-packing 5 -o final.264 trial.avs

avs [info]: 1920x1080p 1:1 @ 48000/1001 fps (cfr)
x264 [info]: using SAR=1/1
x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 FastShuffle SSE4.2
x264 [info]: profile High, level 4.1
x264 [info]: frame I:29 Avg QP:18.33 size:151799
x264 [info]: frame P:2897 Avg QP:22.83 size: 32554
x264 [info]: frame B:3074 Avg QP:26.17 size: 22366
x264 [info]: consecutive B-frames: 6.6% 72.5% 5.2% 15.7%
x264 [info]: mb I I16..4: 25.3% 58.6% 16.1%
x264 [info]: mb P I16..4: 4.2% 6.8% 0.6% P16..4: 35.6% 10.9% 6.7% 0.0% 0
.0% skip:35.1%
x264 [info]: mb B I16..4: 3.3% 2.7% 0.3% B16..8: 38.0% 7.3% 1.7% direct:
8.5% skip:38.2% L0:55.1% L1:42.1% BI: 2.8%
x264 [info]: 8x8 transform intra:52.9% inter:72.3%
x264 [info]: coded y,uvDC,uvAC intra: 34.5% 54.1% 19.9% inter: 21.6% 36.1% 2.6%
x264 [info]: i16 v,h,dc,p: 32% 40% 9% 19%
x264 [info]: i8 v,h,dc,ddl,ddr,vr,hd,vl,hu: 13% 15% 44% 3% 5% 5% 5% 4% 5%
x264 [info]: i4 v,h,dc,ddl,ddr,vr,hd,vl,hu: 20% 19% 20% 5% 9% 8% 8% 5% 6%
x264 [info]: i8c dc,h,v,p: 57% 25% 14% 4%
x264 [info]: Weighted P-Frames: Y:7.2% UV:6.7%
x264 [info]: ref P L0: 60.2% 13.2% 17.9% 7.4% 1.3%
x264 [info]: ref B L0: 59.6% 40.2% 0.2%
x264 [info]: ref B L1: 95.2% 4.8%
x264 [info]: kb/s:5353.50

encoded 6000 frames, 5.87 fps, 5353.50 kb/s

I got something which is flickering as expected but i couldn't play it with any player in 3D mode?

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[BigPines]

How is the quality?

Now we just need a player that can decipher it. If we could get the PS3 to do it, that would be my preference.

Mike

[rica]

How is the quality?

Now we just need a player that can decipher it. If we could get the PS3 to do it, that would be my preference.

Mike

Mike, i can't say anything since the movie is making belly dancing. :)

[Target Practice]

Hi. I saw this thread a while ago googling something. I would like to know if I encoded a clip correctly, but I don't have any 3d supporting hardware yet. would someone watch it and tell me if it looks ok?

also, I've seen the left eye view in stereoscopic player, and it looked like a normal 2d encode. so that's good. but I'd like to play it in mpc-hc with dxva. if I do, it shows both eyes after each other. so I need it to skip the right eye frames. anyone know how I could do that?

video link: Mediafire (http://www.mediafire.com/?cbdfgw4kn2xjemv)

[Zerofool]

I think Ionly added --seek 1 to the x264 command line to make it start at frame 1. It was something very simple.

Yes, I checked in the help, it seems this is the command, I'll give it a try. Thanks.

I got something which is flickering as expected but i couldn't play it with any player in 3D mode?
Now we just need a player that can decipher it.
You obviously haven't ever heard of Stereoscopic Player (http://3dtv.at/Products/Player/Features_en.aspx), currently the most feature-rich and mature (imo) 3D-video player.
I must have heard Peter's perfect tool. :)
But apparently, you haven't even tried to use it. Otherwise you would have noticed the Frame-Sequential option when asked for the input format. In short - Stereoscopic Player can handle it :rolleyes:.

I would like to know if I encoded a clip correctly, but I don't have any 3d supporting hardware yet. would someone watch it and tell me if it looks ok?

Yes, it does look OK. You could buy cheep anaglyph glasses as a temporary solution, I guess.

Cheers

[BigPines]

I don't want to have to run a PC in my A/V rack so stereoscopic player is out for me. Unless I can get a blu-ray player or PS3 or Popcorn Hour or something else to play it, it is useless to me and to the vast majority of people who will eventually want to do this.

Mike

[rica]

But apparently, you haven't even tried to use it. Otherwise you would have noticed the Frame-Sequential option when asked for the input format. In short - Stereoscopic Player can handle it :rolleyes:.


Yeah, i should try it. :)

BTW, i tried to get LR encoding this time.

LoadPlugin("C:\DG\DGDecodeNV.dll")
LoadPlugin("H264StereoSource.dll")
lv = DGSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.dgi")
rv= H264StereoSource("decoder.cfg",64140)
StackHorizontal(lv, rv)
ConvertToYV12()

And:

C:\H264StereoSource_a2>x264 --fps 24000/1001 --level 4.1 --sar 1:1 --aud --frames 10000 --frame-packing 3 -o leftright.264 leftright.avs

avs [info]: 3840x1080p 1:1 @ 24000/1001 fps (cfr)
x264 [info]: using SAR=1/1
x264 [warning]: frame MB size (240x68) > level limit (8192)
x264 [warning]: DPB size (4 frames, 25067520 bytes) > level limit (2 frames, 125
82912 bytes)
x264 [warning]: MB rate (391288) > level limit (245760)
x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 FastShuffle SSE4.2
x264 [info]: profile High, level 4.1
x264 [error]: malloc of size 17990144 failed
x264 [error]: x264_encoder_encode failed
C:\H264StereoSource_a2>

Any inputs?

[Dark Shikari]

You ran out of memory.

[rica]

And, what should i do?

[LoRd_MuldeR]

And, what should i do?

Use x264 x64, if you can. This will resolve the 2 GB per process memory limit.

[Dark Shikari]

Avisynth is eating a huge chunk of memory. You can add SetMemoryMax to reduce the amount that it uses, for example.

[rica]

Thanks guys but using x264/x64 or adding "SetMemoryMax" to avs hasn't fixed the issue.

[nm]

Thanks guys but using x264/x64 or adding "SetMemoryMax" to avs hasn't fixed the issue.
How much RAM do you have and what's in your SetMemoryMax line exactly?

[rica]

How much RAM do you have and what's in your SetMemoryMax line exactly?

2*2GB 1600 Mhz DDR3 i have. (i3 540 on H55 mobo btw)

And aviscript:

SetMemoryMax
LoadPlugin("C:\DG\DGDecodeNV.dll")
LoadPlugin("H264StereoSource.dll")
lv = DGSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.dgi")
rv= H264StereoSource("decoder.cfg",64140)
stackHorizontal(lv, rv)
ConvertToYV12()

[kieranrk]

2*2GB 1600 Mhz DDR3 i have. (i3 540 on H55 mobo btw)


How about giving SetMemoryMax a value?

[rica]

How about giving SetMemoryMax a value?

Is gonna be what?
"SetMemoryMax 4" or? Dunno?

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Is gonna be what?
"SetMemoryMax 4" or? Dunno?

See here:
http://avisynth.org/mediawiki/Internal_functions/Control_functions

4 MB seems a bit small to me ;)

[rica]

See here:
http://avisynth.org/mediawiki/Internal_functions/Control_functions

4 MB seems a bit small to me ;)

"SetMemoryMax (512)" then?
Does it work?

[LoRd_MuldeR]

"SetMemoryMax (512)" then?
Does it work?

I suggest you go and try. And if you still run out of memory, lower it even more ;)

[rica]

Thanks Lord,

512,
256,
128 didn't worked but
(64) worked:

SetMemoryMax (64)
LoadPlugin("C:\DG\DGDecodeNV.dll")
LoadPlugin("H264StereoSource.dll")
lv = DGSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.dgi")
rv= H264StereoSource("decoder.cfg",64140)
stackHorizontal(lv, rv)
ConvertToYV12()

:thanks:

EDIT: zerofool, btw i gave it a go with Peter's player (Stereoscopic Player) and it works. (i bought it.)
Thanks...

[rica]

Hi guys.

The test results: (with DGNV Tools)

Frame Sequential:

LoadPlugin("C:\DG\DGDecodeNV.dll")
LoadPlugin("H264StereoSource.dll")
lv = DGSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.dgi")
rv= H264StereoSource("decoder.cfg",64140)
Interleave(lv, rv)
ConvertToYV12()


C:\H264StereoSource_a2>x264 --fps 24000/1001 --level 4.1 --sar 1:1 --aud --frames 4000 --frame-packing 5 -o FS.264 FS.avs


Side by Side

SetMemoryMax (64)
LoadPlugin("C:\DG\DGDecodeNV.dll")
LoadPlugin("H264StereoSource.dll")
lv = DGSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.dgi")
rv= H264StereoSource("decoder.cfg",64140)
StackHorizontal(lv, rv)
ConvertToYV12()


C:\H264StereoSource_a2>x264 --fps 24000/1001 --level 4.1 --sar 1:1 --aud --frames 4000 --frame-packing 3 -o leftright.264 leftright.avs


TopBottom:

SetMemoryMax (64)
LoadPlugin("C:\DG\DGDecodeNV.dll")
LoadPlugin("H264StereoSource.dll")
lv = DGSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.dgi")
rv= H264StereoSource("decoder.cfg",64140)
StackVertical(lv, rv)
ConvertToYV12()


C:\H264StereoSource_a2>x264 --fps 24000/1001 --level 4.1 --sar 1:1 --aud --frames 4000 --frame-packing 4 -o topbottom.264 topbottom.avs


After remuxing those *.264 files to m2ts via TSMuxer, i tested with Stereoscopic Player and all of them works fine.


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As you know i used DGNVTools but not everyone does belong an nVidia card + DGNVTools.

So i gave it a go without DGNVTools.

left.avs:

DirectShowSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.h264")
crop( 0, 4, 0, -4)

final.avs:

LoadPlugin("H264StereoSource.dll")
lv = DirectShowSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.avs")
rv= H264StereoSource("decoder.cfg",64140)
Interleave(lv, rv)
ConvertToYV12()

:\H264StereoSource_a2>x264 --fps 24000/1001 --level 4.1 --sar 1:1 --aud --frames 4000 --frame-packing 5 -o final.264 final.avs


But something must be wrong here since the video i got finally is not good as FS.264??????

Thanks in advance:)
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[nm]

But something must be wrong here since the video i got finally is not good as FS.264??????

How is it not good? Bad cropping? The extra 8 pixel rows are most likely at the bottom or at the top.

You should also avoid using AviSynth through DirectShowSource when it's not necessary. Try this:

LoadPlugin("H264StereoSource.dll")
lv = DirectShowSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.h264").crop(0,0,0,-8)
rv = H264StereoSource("decoder.cfg",64140)
Interleave(lv, rv)
ConvertToYV12()

[rica]

How is it not good? Bad cropping? The extra 8 pixel rows are most likely at the bottom or at the top.

You should also avoid using AviSynth through DirectShowSource when it's not necessary. Try this:

LoadPlugin("H264StereoSource.dll")
lv = DirectShowSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.avs").crop(0,0,0,-8)
rv = H264StereoSource("decoder.cfg",64140)
Interleave(lv, rv)
ConvertToYV12()

Thanks, i gonna try.
But how can i understand where to crop: top or bottom or both?

[nm]

Thanks, i gonna try.
But how can i understand where to crop: top or bottom or both?
Check the left video in a player without cropping. There should be mirroring or some other filling at the border that needs to be cropped.

But the real problem is in your source or somewhere in the decoding chain. Somehow it loses the cropping information along the way.

lv = DirectShowSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.avs").crop(0,0,0,-8)

I made a mistake copy-pasting that line. The file was supposed to be left.h264 so that you don't need a separate left.avs.

[rica]

I've discovered FFVideo Source gives the right information and no need to crop:

FFVideoSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.m2ts")
info()



http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1934/ffnew.png (http://img641.imageshack.us/i/ffnew.png/)


While DirectShowSource can not give the right info and does need cropping:

DirectShowSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.h264")
info()


http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3787/dshow.png (http://img228.imageshack.us/i/dshow.png/)

And none of those cropping methods fixed the issue.

Finally i used this after remuxing left.h264 to an m2ts container via TSMuxer:

LoadPlugin("H264StereoSource.dll")
lv= FFVideoSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.m2ts")
rv = H264StereoSource("decoder.cfg",64172)
Interleave(lv, rv)
ConvertToYV12()

And i can watch it with Stereoscopic Player.

But i must say i never advise frame sequential; I really got tired while watching it.

Stick with Side By Side or Top Bottom method...



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PS unused aviscripts:

LoadPlugin("H264StereoSource.dll")
lv = DirectShowSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.h264").crop(0,8,0,0)
rv = H264StereoSource("decoder.cfg",64140)
Interleave(lv, rv)
ConvertToYV12()

note: changing line 2; crop to "crop(0,0,0,-8)" or "crop( 0,4,0,-4) " doesn't change the result.

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[rica]

Without DGNVTools: (with FFVideoSource)

Frame Sequential:

LoadPlugin("H264StereoSource.dll")
lv= FFVideoSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.m2ts")
rv = H264StereoSource("decoder.cfg",64172)
Interleave(lv, rv)
ConvertToYV12()


C:\H264StereoSource_a2>x264 --fps 24000/1001 --level 4.1 --sar 1:1 --aud --frames 6000 --frame-packing 5 -o ff_new.264 ff_new.avs


Side by Side


SetMemoryMax (64)
LoadPlugin("H264StereoSource.dll")
lv= FFVideoSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.m2ts")
rv= H264StereoSource("decoder.cfg",64172)
StackHorizontal(lv, rv)
ConvertToYV12()

C:\H264StereoSource_a2>x264 --fps 24000/1001 --level 4.1 --sar 1:1 --aud --frames 6000 --frame-packing 3 -o LR_ff.264 LR_ff.avs


Top Bottom::


SetMemoryMax (64)
LoadPlugin("H264StereoSource.dll")
lv= FFVideoSource("C:\H264StereoSource_a2\left.m2ts")
rv= H264StereoSource("decoder.cfg",64172)
StackVertical(lv, rv)
ConvertToYV12()

C:\H264StereoSource_a2>x264 --fps 24000/1001 --level 4.1 --sar 1:1 --aud --frames 6000 --frame-packing 4 -o TB_ff.264 TB_ff.avs


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