The Expendables

[royboy1]

I had the same problem with The Expendables. The commentaries are all mixed in with the movie files and I couldn't find a way to eliminate just the commentary/extras files. These BD stream files with the commentaries are numbered from 00420 to 00431, but if they are deleted from the files list then part of the movie is deleted also. I could not find any one file that contained the movie only---I read online that files 0004 and 0006 contain the 2 versions of the movie only, but if that is the case, neither of those 2 files will open and they do not contain much data either, certainly not enough to even hold a small part of the movie.
Anybody have any ideas on how to write The Expendables to disc with only the movie files and without the commentaries (movie only)?
royboy1

[Ch3vr0n]

I can think of only 2 things. You chose the wrong mpls file when doing your movie only backup, or you removed/kept the wrong audio streams

[setarip_old]

You chose the wrong mpls file when doing your movie only backupIndirectly, yes.

Read the earlier posts in the "Bug" thread about "The Expendables". It's one of the few Blu-rays where the size of the "Extras"-related file (Including a separate full video commentary) is greater than the primary video...

[jdobbs]

I had the same problem with The Expendables. The commentaries are all mixed in with the movie files and I couldn't find a way to eliminate just the commentary/extras files. These BD stream files with the commentaries are numbered from 00420 to 00431, but if they are deleted from the files list then part of the movie is deleted also. I could not find any one file that contained the movie only---I read online that files 0004 and 0006 contain the 2 versions of the movie only, but if that is the case, neither of those 2 files will open and they do not contain much data either, certainly not enough to even hold a small part of the movie.
Anybody have any ideas on how to write The Expendables to disc with only the movie files and without the commentaries (movie only)?
royboy1 You're double-posting, and that violates the rules. This time you just get a warning, next time a strike.

I've answered you in the other thread...

[k-c-ksum]

so doing a full disc backup will result in the extras getting more bitrate than the feature? a manual overide would come in handy here :) There was another movie earlier in the year (forget the title) that also had a longer playlist than the feature :( Think Inception might also be the same?

[jdobbs]

so doing a full disc backup will result in the extras getting more bitrate than the feature? a manual overide would come in handy here :) There was another movie earlier in the year (forget the title) that also had a longer playlist than the feature :( Think Inception might also be the same?Where did you get that? Of course not. The bitrate of the backup is proportional to the size on the oriignal...

If you're doing "Quick for Extras" your extra encode will used a fixed CRF... which you can set to anything you want.

[k-c-ksum]

Where did you get that? Of course not. The bitrate of the backup is proportional to the size on the oriignal...

If you're doing "Quick for Extras" your extra encode will used a fixed CRF... which you can set to anything you want.

i always though bdrb used less bitrate on the extra's. It determined the extras to be the shorter playlist giving the longer playlist (being the main feature) more bitrate. But when an extras playlist is longer than the feature playlist it gets it wrong

so if the extra's playlist is longer than the feature you would be better selecting the crf encoding with a high number 30+ as this would encode the main feature using crf due to its shorter running time? A manual over ride/ extras/feature option with a selectable bitrate option would sure be easier. I get paranoid when i see extras that get encoded with excessive bitrate then notice a few artifacts in the featue :(

[jdobbs]

i always though bdrb used less bitrate on the extra's. It determined the extras to be the shorter playlist giving the longer playlist (being the main feature) more bitrate. But when an extras playlist is longer than the feature playlist it gets it wrong

so if the extra's playlist is longer than the feature you would be better selecting the crf encoding with a high number 30+ as this would encode the main feature using crf due to its shorter running time? A manual over ride/ extras/feature option with a selectable bitrate option would sure be easier. I get paranoid when i see extras that get encoded with excessive bitrate then notice a few artifacts in the featue :(

As I said, that's not how it works. Typically the extras (even the ones with long times) use less disc space on the original. They would, therefore, use less space on the target -- because it is proportional. The only time that wouldn't be necessarily true would be when you select "Quick Encode".

If you select "Quick Encode" it changes a little -- but you also have to realize that BD-RB's definition of "Extra" isn't limited to "everything that is not the main feature" -- it also does size and time checks. Bottom line: even in the instance where there is an extra that is longer than the feature -- the feature would have to be very short in order to be treated as an extra and get the "Quick" encoding.

In the example of "The Expendables" you'll find that while the very long "Extra" wouldn't be quick-encoded, neither would the feature. I'll run a full backup later today just to be sure, but it's highly probable that if you look at the output you'll find that even though the feature is shorter than the long extra, it will still occupy more space on the target -- and will have used a higher bitrate (it depends on how they were allocated on the source).

The only downside is that BD-RB will by default think the long extra is the feature for movie-only encoding (where it has to make a choice). There's just no flag on a disc that says "I'm the feature" -- so I have to be satisified with BD-RB selecting the correct movie-only MPLS 99% of the time instead of 100%.

[jdobbs]

Ok. I'm looking at "The Expendables" and it's a little different... because the "Long Extra" and the feature are two different MPLS files that share M2TS components in a multi-part set. Since they're not necessarily "long" components I'm not sure that they get filtered out of the quick encodes. I think, though, I do some checks to make sure shared components don't get quick encoded -- but I'll have to do some testing to be sure.

[Edit] Well it turned out to be a worthwhile exercise, as I've found that it would be possible in the specific circumstances of the way "The Expendables" is structured that a portion could in fact be "Quick" encoded. It would be extremely rare -- but it can happen. I've made some changes to the "Quick" encode decision algorithm that fixes this for the next release.

[k-c-ksum]

Inception is similar in that it has a seperate playlist for the extras that also uses m2ts files used in the feature.

Being able to manually select bitrate per segment would be a good fix for this and any future titles that do this ;)

[jdobbs]

Inception is similar in that it has a seperate playlist for the extras that also uses m2ts files used in the feature.

Being able to manually select bitrate per segment would be a good fix for this and any future titles that do this ;) Yeah -- and it would also open the door for people to oversize/undersize and tell me it is my fault. Either that or I have to add a ridiculous overhead that somehow balances their actions (and changes their settings).

I got your point the first time. But that doesn't mean I agree.

[k-c-ksum]

Yeah -- and it would also open the door for people to oversize/undersize and tell me it is my fault. Either that or I have to add a ridiculous overhead that somehow balances their actions (and changes their settings).

I got your point the first time. But that doesn't mean I agree.

Seems a shame to limit certain functions, especially those that worked so well in dvdrebuilder. Over/undersizing shouldnt be a problem as long as you can see the total disc space used when making the bitrate adjustments. It worked really well in dvdrebuilder. If someone doesnt follow the disc size indicator then thats not your fault.

[jdobbs]

Seems a shame to limit certain functions, especially those that worked so well in dvdrebuilder. Over/undersizing shouldnt be a problem as long as you can see the total disc space used when making the bitrate adjustments. It worked really well in dvdrebuilder. If someone doesnt follow the disc size indicator then thats not your fault. The one in DVD Rebuilder was a nightmare -- and caused me a lot of headaches.If someone doesnt follow the disc size indicator then thats not your fault. Unfortunately others don't think so.