Rebuilder 1.28 + ILVU movie = Chapter loop !

[kabster]

heLLo,


I have done a Multiple Angle movie Through rebuilder using pretty much the standard rebuilder settings.

I have checked the movie afterwards, and at several chapter points i get a short loop playback of some kind !!!

The source of the movie is alright no loopback or any weird playback problems. The movie seems to be a good rip alright.

Also, for the first time when i want to tweak further the cells in preview tab i get the message ilvu cells are not shown or something !!!

Still, have i found another bugg after all in rebuilder pro ?


Iam currently redo an simple 2 pass cce mode 1 click backup !!

Its a relative new movie called "The A-Team" !


thanks

take care,

[setarip_old]

@kabster

Hi! Its a relative new movie called "The A-Team" !

Checking the 'net, it appears that trhis title won't be available for purchase in North America until December 14th - at which time other people can see (and hopefully resolve) the problem you've described...

[kabster]

@kabster

Hi!

Checking the 'net, it appears that trhis title won't be available for purchase in North America until December 14th - at which time other people can see (and hopefully resolve) the problem you've described...



Yes, my movie is PAL / EUROPE !

I have done a second attempt through rebuilder only 2 pass One click , the same thing happend.

I might have something to do whit the option distributed bitrate i figure.

I have checked the history log of rebuilder updates and this has happend before because of a bug in the ditributed bitrate feature !!!?

Anyway, have done the movie through Nero Recode 4 and the movie is just fine using recode.


take care,

[setarip_old]

I have no solution to offer - but I was amazed to see the following from you in 2008:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=141554

What goes around comes around?

[kabster]

I have no solution to offer - but I was amazed to see the following from you in 2008:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=141554

What goes around comes around?


"What goes around comes around" you say :confused: .. What are you implying !?

Anyway, i have a strong feeling you are reffering to the editing part before i actualy encode the movie.

If so, everyboddy (with some common sense atleast) edit/cut sometimes BIG pieces of crap out realy from the original source to gain space for encoding purpose.

More over, in this case it doesnt matter even . I have the same loop problem encoding the original "UNCUT/EDITED" movie !!

Whereas with nero recode / or other transcoder that doesnt happend wheiter the movie is edited or not it doesnt make any difference in playback quality !!

Wot does that tell you now ?

EDIT: One important thing i want to mention is, i edit all my original rips whit PGC edit 9.3 instead of dvdremake nowdays !

thanks for your input and thoughts,


kab,

[ggtop]

I also think cutting on ILVU sources is not a good idea. The source is muxed that way and shouldn't be altered. That's why e.g. VOBBlanker marks these VTS as "Skip".

Did you trace the DVD in PGCEdit?
What happens there?

ggtop

[jdobbs]

"What goes around comes around" you say :confused: .. What are you implying !?

Anyway, i have a strong feeling you are reffering to the editing part before i actualy encode the movie.

If so, everyboddy (with some common sense atleast) edit/cut sometimes BIG pieces of crap out realy from the original source to gain space for encoding purpose.

More over, in this case it doesnt matter even . I have the same loop problem encoding the original "UNCUT/EDITED" movie !!

Whereas with nero recode / or other transcoder that doesnt happend wheiter the movie is edited or not it doesnt make any difference in playback quality !!

Wot does that tell you now ?

EDIT: One important thing i want to mention is, i edit all my original rips whit PGC edit 9.3 instead of dvdremake nowdays !

thanks for your input and thoughts,


kab,As I've said at least 100 times before... if you edit a source, you are on your own. I can't even guess what you could have done to the source -- but I would almost guaranteed it is the problem, not DVD-RB. I've been down this road many, many, many times before.

Sorry, but if I hadn't stood firm on this rule I would have been doing nothing else but chasing edited sources and reporting errors on other software for the past two years.

[kabster]

I also think cutting on ILVU sources is not a good idea. The source is muxed that way and shouldn't be altered. That's why e.g. VOBBlanker marks these VTS as "Skip".

Did you trace the DVD in PGCEdit?
What happens there?

ggtop


I did edit the movie while iam in TraceMode , everything goes with the flow no problems there though !

I didnt knew there were still issues with ILVU movies and such, but i have recoded the whole original source through dvdrebuilder pro and the same LOOP hole takes places at some chapter points (not all) !!


take care,
kab,

[jdobbs]

I did edit the movie while iam in TraceMode , everything goes with the flow no problems there though !

I didnt knew there were still issues with ILVU movies and such, but i have recoded the whole original source through dvdrebuilder pro and the same LOOP hole takes places at some chapter points (not all) !!


take care,
kab, There are no ILVU issues in DVD-RB... but I'd be willing to bet there are in the source you are feeding to it.

[kabster]

There are no ILVU issues in DVD-RB... but I'd be willing to bet there are in the source you are feeding to it.

NO jdobbs,

I have watched the original DVD9 source material and i found no such loops which indicates something went wrong in the encode progress iam afraid !!

Otherwise i woud have seen the same problem strait from the source .. no?

Transcode however DOES NOT give any problems at all !!!


Wot can i say ... !?


cheers,
kab,

[jdobbs]

Otherwise i woud have seen the same problem strait from the source .. no?As I've said hundreds of times before -- NO, NO, NO. Just because the source will play doesn't mean it isn't corrupted. I've been doing this a long time. It would be nice if every now and then someone would listen to what I say.
Transcode however DOES NOT give any problems at all !!! So? Apples and oranges. If you like it so much... transcode. I hope you enjoy the newly generated pixelation...

[kabster]

I also think cutting on ILVU sources is not a good idea. The source is muxed that way and shouldn't be altered. That's why e.g. VOBBlanker marks these VTS as "Skip".


I didnt cut pieces away from the ILVU movie !! Just cutted commercials, fbi warnings and such !!

Wot does those parts has anything to do whit the movie itself where the problematic loops takes place ?

Same annoying loops takes place whit the movie KNIGHT & DAY !!!!!!!


So? Apples and oranges. If you like it so much... transcode. I hope you enjoy the newly generated pixelation...

Apples and oranges ehh? They do BOTH shrink a MOVIE is it not !?!

[jdobbs]

I didnt cut pieces away from the ILVU movie !! Just cutted commercials, fbi warnings and such !!

Wot does those parts has anything to do whit the movie itself where the problematic loops takes place ?

Same annoying loops takes place whit the movie KNIGHT & DAY !!!!!!!



Apples and oranges ehh? They do BOTH shrink a MOVIE is it not !?!

You're ignorance is showing. If you were even in the same zip code as a clue you wouldn't be asking this question. When you screw with the source you are on your own -- done, end of story, kaput. We've had this discussion before (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1191677#post1191677) and I found the source to work with no issues when it wasn't edited.

Don't come running to me with your self-inflicted problems -- I have better things to do than spend my time cleaning up your messes.

[ggtop]

Which region?
Which ripper (version)?
What is your setup?

Not sure why you don't mention the obvious information on thread-opening...

ggtop

[JJB]

You're ignorance is showing. If you were even in the same zip code as a clue you wouldn't be asking this question. When you screw with the source you are on your own -- done, end of story, kaput. We've had this discussion before (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1191677#post1191677) and I found the source to work with no issues when it wasn't edited.

Don't come running to me with your self-inflicted problems -- I have better things to do than spend my time cleaning up your messes.


Please just cap the punk..No Mas!!! Script Kiddies make me Ill...

[kabster]

@jdobbs,


Iam sorry to mentioned this pain old bug realy, but the reason i brought this issue up is because of wot i have found in the history log files from rebuilder.

Check out wot i have found regarding this issue and i quote:

http://www.digital-digest.com/software/dvd_rebuilder_pro_history.html


*Modified loop checks during ILVU extraction in MOBILE encoding so the extraction

*Corrected a bug in which ILVU segments might receive a lessor bitrate than they should based upon the analysis.


And so on.... in short allot of ILVU bugfixes i have found..

Maybe "just" Maybe there are still issues whit ILVU movies + rebuilder pro !!!!





Which region?
Which ripper (version)?
What is your setup?

Not sure why you don't mention the obvious information on thread-opening...

ggtop

Here you are ggtop,

A. Region 2 PAL
B. Anydvd 6.7.6.0
C. which setup are you reffering to? ripper or encoder or both ... !?


take care,

kabz :thanks:,

[jdobbs]

And so on.... in short allot of ILVU bugfixes i have found..

Maybe "just" Maybe there are still issues whit ILVU movies + rebuilder pro !!!! If there were a problem with ILVU -- I'd be getting bug reports from the thousands of other users. The last time I had a bug in ILVU processing was in June of 2007. The only recent report is yours -- in an instance where you have admittedly edited the source. When no one but you is having problems, and you are editing the source -- it is obvious the editing is the problem. C'mon, man... you have to be able to see that.

[kabster]

If there were a problem with ILVU -- I'd be getting bug reports from the thousands of other users. The last time I had a bug in ILVU processing was in June of 2007. The only recent report is yours -- in an instance where you have admittedly edited the source. When no one but you is having problems, and you are editing the source -- it is obvious the editing is the problem. C'mon, man... you have to be able to see that.


Jdobbs, i have told you before i especially re-ripped those problematic movies and encoded them without cutting / editing anything before the encode !!

Still the loops are persistence despite all the efforts i took to rip and use an clean source !!

Its not because poeple arent repporting anything that there isnt anything wrong whit rebuilder.

From the looks of the few threads onsite doom, there arent many people repporthing about anything realy !!

Thats a impression , but not exact science !!

But ok, if you only will do something about it when "thousands" of people are reacting then just leave it at that and call me a liar.


take care,

[kabster]

If there were a problem with ILVU -- I'd be getting bug reports from the thousands of other users. The last time I had a bug in ILVU processing was in June of 2007. The only recent report is yours -- in an instance where you have admittedly edited the source. When no one but you is having problems, and you are editing the source -- it is obvious the editing is the problem. C'mon, man... you have to be able to see that.


Jdobbs, i have told you before i especially re-ripped those problematic movies and encoded them without cutting / editing anything before the encode !!

Still the loops are persistence despite all the efforts i took to rip and use an clean source !!

Its not because poeple arent repporting anything that there isnt anything wrong whit rebuilder.

From the looks of the few threads onsite doom, there arent many people repporthing about anything anyway realy !!

Thats a impression , but not exact science !!

But ok, if you only will do something about it after "thousands" of people are responding then just leave it at that and call me a BIG TIME liar then.


take care,

[jdobbs]

No one is reporting bugs... because there aren't any. I spend 3 years clearing every single bug reported. You're convinced there could be no fault in your editing... so in my opinion you are a lost cause. I have to assume to are just too dense to understand. I've done thousands of discs -- and hundreds (at least) with ILVU. DVD Rebuilder does not have an ILVU bug -- therefore I will spend no more time talking about it or arguing with you. Thread closed.

Good luck to you.