ISOs burned with LG WH10LS30 won't play on Samsung Player.

[freewheeling]

I've been using BD-Rebuilder to create backups that are reduced size to be burned on Verbatim +R DL discs. I've been creating the ISO using Imgburn using UDF 2.50 . Until now I've been burning the discs on a Plextor BDDVDR-PXB20SA, and they play fine as BDs on the Samsung BDP4600 Player. I just bought the LG WH10LS30 and decided to use that instead, and put the Plextor on my other computer. However, the discs backed up by the LG elicit the error message "This disc will not play" on the BDP4600. I've wasted three DL discs trying this.

Thinking that it must be the LG drive that's causing the problem, even though the burn and verification seem to go fine, I used the Plextor again *ON THE SAME ISO* and it again plays just fine.

So, is there something that the LG is doing that the Plextor is not (or the other way around) that makes the isos burned on the LG unplayable on the Samsung? I'm using the same Verbatim discs and the same ISOs, but the burns are different enough that one works while the other doesn't.

Oh btw, I can play the files created by either drive in SageTV or using VLC Player. It's just that I don't get the BD menu, etc., which is why I wanted to play them on my Samsung. If I patch the firmware on the LG will that fix it? Can I patch the firmware on the Samsung Player? I think it's probably out of warranty by now, but don't want to wreck it.

[Sorry, I think I posted this to the wrong thread again. It should be on the BD Rebuilder thread, but I don't know how to move it. Ugh.]

[Ghitulescu]

Strange, the Plextor PX-B920 is actually an LG GGW-H20L.

However, the Samsungs are "sensitive" to BookType and the LGs cannot set it (by default).

BTW 1: why do you use an BD burner to burn DVDRs?

BTW 2: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=144674

[freewheeling]

Strange, the Plextor PX-B920 is actually an LG GGW-H20L.

However, the Samsungs are "sensitive" to BookType and the LGs cannot set it (by default).

BTW 1: why do you use an BD burner to burn DVDRs?

BTW 2: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=144674

The LG is a BD Burner, but it's also supposed to burn DVDs. What is a DVDR? I assume that the DL ISOs being burned by the Plextor and the LG are BD format, right?

BTW, the Plextor is a PX-B320 not 920. What is "Booktype." Could that be the problem?

Also, the straight DVDs that I burn using the Plextor (created with DVD-Rebuilder Pro) won't play on the Samsung, but the BDs created in BD-Rebuilder will. I'd like to figure this out because I want to use the Plextor on my HTPC, but do the burns using my LG on another computer. I wonder if the DVDs made using the LG and DVD-Rebuilder would work?

[freewheeling]

Strange, the Plextor PX-B920 is actually an LG GGW-H20L.

How do you tell the real or oem manufacturer of the drive?

[Ch3vr0n]

@Ghitulescu: Actually LG is one of the Few brands that DO support booktype setting, right out of the box. I used to have that very same GGW-H20L drive myself.

[freewheeling]

@Ghitulescu: Actually LG is one of the Few brands that DO support booktype setting, right out of the box. I used to have that very same GGW-H20L drive myself.

Are you sure the Plextor B320 is an LG (not the B920)? I think I originally listed it as the B20, which was wrong. It's B320.

Also, if I try to set the booktype by clicking the Plextor tab I get an error. I'm not sure what to do under "advanced" but the thing is that the Plextor drive is working, it's the LG that isn't. I wonder if the Samsung is expecting the booktype to *not* be set?

Not that I have any idea what the heck I'm doing.

[freewheeling]

The booktype currently set for the LG is "DVD-ROM". Since the booktype can't be set on the Plextor, maybe it's the "normal" setting that's appropriate for BD-9? Would "normal" be the same as the non-setting on the Plextor B320?

[Ghitulescu]

@freewheeling
go search this forum for Samsung (your player) and booktype and you'll find the answer, I hope you have already read the link I provided to
About the plextor, yes, I thought it was a 920. The 320 is still a clone (the last original Plextor was the 760), I cannot find right now my list. My educated guess is that is a clone of the Liteon iHES208.

@Chevron
I'm using [still :)] a Plextor to burn DVDs. About the LG's capabilities of setting the booktype I had no idea since I upgraded the FW using MCSE and there activated booktype (I own an LG, too). I though this was also a hack.

[Capsbackup]

If you reinsert each disc that you made back into your burner, open ImgBurn and select burn ISO, and let it read the burned disc. Scroll down thru the log and see what the booktype says for the different discs.
I use a Sony and LG DVD burner, and whenever I burn DVD+R DL media to AVCHD for BD-RB backups, they are always booktyped as DVD ROM. They have all played back perfectly on my Sony S360 and BX1 standalone players.
I believe the most important criteria is you have UDF and 2.5 set within ImgBurn. At least for me and my Sony's the playback is not affected. :cool:

[freewheeling]

If you reinsert each disc that you made back into your burner, open ImgBurn and select burn ISO, and let it read the burned disc. Scroll down thru the log and see what the booktype says for the different discs.
I use a Sony and LG DVD burner, and whenever I burn DVD+R DL media to AVCHD for BD-RB backups, they are always booktyped as DVD ROM. They have all played back perfectly on my Sony S360 and BX1 standalone players.
I believe the most important criteria is you have UDF and 2.5 set within ImgBurn. At least for me and my Sony's the playback is not affected. :cool:

The discs that work have booktype = DVD+R DL
The discs that do not work have booktype = DVD-ROM

DVD-ROM is the default type for the LG drive. The only other option is "normal". Would that set the booktype to DVD+R DL I wonder?

I have the MCSE modified firmware ready to install, but haven't done it yet because it would void the warranty and I want to make sure the drive doesn't have problems (other than the one I've identified) before installing it. Also, MCSE doesn't appear to have the option of altering the booktype for this particular firmware yet. It can modify the speed and the RCP autoreset, though. That has to do with the region code though, doesn't it?

[Ghitulescu]

The discs that work have booktype = DVD+R DL
The discs that do not work have booktype = DVD-ROM

So you did the search, right ;)?
In case the LG won't let the booktype be changed into DVD+R DL (original) you have only 2 solutions left:
1. change the burner
2. change the player

[freewheeling]

Just to follow up, and because others might experience similar problems involving LG and other players in the same Samsung series (BDP1600 or BDP3600) there is a parameter in the setup of Imgburn that, by default, changes the book type on all + media to DVD-ROM. This will only have an effect on LG drives, and some NEC and Pioneer drives that have been "hacked." After I unchecked this box in Imgburn the default book type was set back to "normal" which passes through the book type that's set in the software used to back up the disc (in this case +R DL). Having done that, the discs burned on the LG play fine in the Samsung player. As I understand it the DVD-Rom book type is an attempt to allow older drives to play + media, but since there aren't really any older drives for Bluray, odds are this isn't needed for BD backups using BD-Rebuilder, and obviously causes problems on the Samsung series.

Thanks for all your help.

BTW, I think you can add the BDP4600 to the list of Samsung players that will play full backups created by BD-Rebuilder, provided this automatic DVD-Rom booktyping is disabled in Imgburn settings. So far, however, I haven't been able to get the DVD backups created in DVD-Rebuilder to work. In this case book type doesn't seem to be the problem, because the discs that play (created in CloneDVD2 by Elaborate Bytes) have the same book type as the discs that don't play created in DVD-Rebuilder. But I'm going to experiment a little to see if there's a workaround. The DVD backups created on DVD-Rebuilder will play on every other DVD player I have, so this isn't a huge problem.

[freewheeling]

It isn't the files created by DVD-Rebuilder that are the problem. DVDs burned using Imgburn from rips created by DVD-Rebuilder won't play on the Samsung player (although they will play on just about everything else), but DVDs burned from the same rips using Power2Go *will* play. I suspect this is a matter of the settings on Imgburn again, but for now I'll just use Power2Go. Anyone with any ideas about what settings might work, I'm willing to create a couple of coasters to test.

[Capsbackup]

In case the LG won't let the booktype be changed into DVD+R DL (original) you have only 2 solutions left:
1. change the burner
2. change the player

Out of curiosity, I burned a Verbatim DVD+R DL with my LG HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-H10L, and tried to change the booktype to Normal with ImgBurn, but it would not change. It was set to UDF 2.5, but booktype was still set to DVDROM, and the BD-RB BD9 backup is recognized and plays back just fine on my Sony S360, as have all of my previous DVD+R DL backups burned with either this drive or my Optiarc AD 7220S. I never gave it much thought when burning to AVCHD, but do remember making sure booktype was set to DVDROM when burning to DVD ( VIDEO_TS ).
Well I guess I have now discovered one more reason why my choice for a Sony standalone was a wise one. :p
Thank you Ghitulescu for your knowledge, experience and input. :)

[setarip_old]

@Capsbackup

Hi!

I have a LG HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-H20L and an HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GH15L on the system I use for Blu-ray "puttering".

When I load a D/L DVD+R "Blu-ray" into my SONY 360, the lower left corner of my screen identifies the disc as a DVD+R, regardless of the purported "booktype setting" that was used with IMGBurn and regardless of which burner I used...

[Capsbackup]

@Capsbackup

Hi!

I have a LG HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-H20L and an HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GH15L on the system I use for Blu-ray "puttering".

When I load a D/L DVD+R "Blu-ray" into my SONY 360, the lower left corner of my screen identifies the disc as a DVD+R, regardless of the purported "booktype setting" that was used with IMGBurn and regardless of which burner I used...

Mine does the same. I do not see any difference regardless of the booktype setting of a burned DVD+R DL disc when played back on my Sony.
But apparently Samsung standalone players do not like the DVDROM setting, according to freewheeling, which is why I mentioned my experience. I must admit that Sony has made my backup experience easy and satisfying. :)

[setarip_old]

@Capsbackup I must admit that Sony has made my backup experience easy and satisfying.Yup ;>}

[Ghitulescu]

Thank you Ghitulescu for your knowledge, experience and input. :)

You're quite welcome :)

[freewheeling]

Out of curiosity, I burned a Verbatim DVD+R DL with my LG HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-H10L, and tried to change the booktype to Normal with ImgBurn, but it would not change. It was set to UDF 2.5, but booktype was still set to DVDROM, and the BD-RB BD9 backup is recognized and plays back just fine on my Sony S360, as have all of my previous DVD+R DL backups burned with either this drive or my Optiarc AD 7220S. I never gave it much thought when burning to AVCHD, but do remember making sure booktype was set to DVDROM when burning to DVD ( VIDEO_TS ).
Well I guess I have now discovered one more reason why my choice for a Sony standalone was a wise one. :p
Thank you Ghitulescu for your knowledge, experience and input. :)

I believe this is set in the "tools/settings" menu under the "write" tab. You can either check or uncheck the "Auto 'change book type.'" If this is unchecked then the default is to pass through the + setting. From everything I've heard only Samsung is "picky" about this. Many very old drives can't recognize the + media, which is why the DVD-Rom book type is used. So, if you use the DVD-Rom book type the discs won't play in the Samsung series, and if you don't use it the discs won't play in the older players. Can't win fer losin'.

[Ghitulescu]

When I load a D/L DVD+R "Blu-ray" into my SONY 360, the lower left corner of my screen identifies the disc as a DVD+R, regardless of the purported "booktype setting" that was used with IMGBurn and regardless of which burner I used...

Not only the Sonies, if one reads my tests (here in forum, I'm too lazy to find them myself right now :rolleyes:) will find out that most if not all the DB players correctly recognize the type of the DVDR, including the Pioneers. More precise: if the player displays the type of a DVDR (not the booktype) then it's correctly identified, too, ie a DVD+R booktyped as DVD-ROM is always displayed as DVD+R.

The only explanation I found is that they use combos, the very first 2 generations of Pioneers actually used BD burners.

[freewheeling]

I took another DVD disc that had been backed up using DVD-Rebuilder Pro and Imgburn that would not play on my Samsung BD-P4600 (Error message: This disc can not be played.) and just burned another disc using those files (no intermediate step of creating an ISO) with Power2Go instead of Imgburn *and it plays just fine*. This is good news in that I can create playable discs from my previous backups that won't play on my Samsung. It's bad news in that something that Imgburn is doing is making these DVD backups unplayable on the Samsung and I don't know what it is. I know it's not book type. It's something else unique to Imgburn. Probably something very simple.

[setarip_old]

It's something else unique to Imgburn.Lest you jump to an unproven conclusion, I 'd suggest you burn another disc of files using (NOT an ISO image file) IMGBurn, just as you did with "Power2Go"...

[freewheeling]

Yeah, that's worth a try. But just for the sake of clarity, this is the proposed sequence:

1. Create backup file structure using DVD-Rebuilder
2. Create ISO image from DVD-Rebuilder file folder using Imgburn
3. Burn disc from ISO image built by Imgburn

(This much has already been done, producing a disc that won't play on Samsung)

4. Burn disc using Imgburn directly from disc above, not the ISO image that produced it.

(This will, theoretically, produce a disc that *will* play on Samsung)

If it works then it's the iso-to-disc session that produces the problem, and that should be skipped. But you have to admit that if it works it'd be really really odd. Not that it's not odd already.

[Capsbackup]

The ability to change the booktype seems to stand out as the problem with playback on your Samsung. As I have said, and has been reported, that it does not matter to some players, like the Sony, whatever the booktype is set to.
UDF 2.5 is the key. If you have found another program to burn with that does not set the booktype to DVDROM, and the results play back properly with that software, you have found your answer.
Just curious, if you put a disc that works properly when burned with Power2Go back in your drive, and run ImgBurn to see what it sees the disc's booktype as, what does ImgBurn report?

[Ghitulescu]

It has nothing to do with the ISO or non-iSO method, it has to do with the booktype. The booktype is not in the ISO, but the software should/must send a command to the drive.

Capsbackup was quicker ;)

[freewheeling]

It has nothing to do with the ISO or non-iSO method, it has to do with the booktype. The booktype is not in the ISO, but the software should/must send a command to the drive.

Capsbackup was quicker ;)

As far as I can tell book type isn't an issue with DVDs, just BDs (or BD backups using DVD+R DL discs). That is, both the regular DVD discs that play on the Samsung as well as the regular DVDs that don't, have the same book type (DVD +R). I've done as you suggest above, and I can't see any difference at all between the disc descriptions for those that run and those that don't, except that the number of sectors is slightly different. Also, DVD -R discs burnt from ISOs created by Imgburn don't run on the Samsung either.

I'm going to try backing up a regular DVD disc using Imgburn while skipping the ISO step, and see if that works.

[Ghitulescu]

As far as I can tell book type isn't an issue with DVDs, just BDs (or BD backups using DVD+R DL discs). There's no booktype on BD, AFAIK.

[setarip_old]

@freewheeling I'm going to try backing up a regular DVD disc using Imgburn while skipping the ISO step, and see if that works. This is precisely what I suggested in Post#22 of this thread.

By all means, let us know how it goes ;>}

[freewheeling]

There's no booktype on BD, AFAIK.

These are BD-9s burned on DVD+R DL discs. As long as the book type is DVD+R DL they seem to work. If book type is set to DVD-Rom they don't. (BTW, I don't see any resolution quality issues between the BD-9 backups and the original BDs. Any changes are imperceptible to the naked eye.)

[freewheeling]

@freewheeling This is precisely what I suggested in Post#22 of this thread.

By all means, let us know how it goes ;>}

Didn't work, which means the problem is something in Imgburn. I've no idea what it might be.

[Ghitulescu]

As far as I can tell book type isn't an issue with DVDs, just BDs (or BD backups using DVD+R DL discs).
There's no booktype on BD, AFAIK.
These are BD-9s burned on DVD+R DL discs. As long as the book type is DVD+R DL they seem to work.
I know that, this is why I made you search the forum, to see for yourself the cause and the cure.

[freewheeling]

I know that, this is why I made you search the forum, to see for yourself the cause and the cure.

I don't understand? With the book type set to DVD-Rom the BD backup won't play, whereas it will with the book type set to DVD+R DL. What's to look up? Yes, I know DLs are not "BD" discs but essentially the only difference with BD discs is density. I could burn a BD backup using DVD-5 on a regular DVD. The BD-9 backups *do* have a book type. In fact, regular BD-25 discs also have a book type. All you have to do to verify that is to do a discovery on the disc.

The DVD backup problem seems to be something else. All I know there is that if they're burned using Power2Go they work, and if they're burned using Imgburn they don't. Book type makes no difference. In fact, even using DVD-Rs (as opposed to +Rs) makes no difference. The backups just won't play on the Samsung. Well, they'll play on everything *but* the Samsung.

[Ghitulescu]

I don't understand? With the book type set to DVD-Rom the BD backup won't play, whereas it will with the book type set to DVD+R DL. What's to look up?

THIS :)

The cure is to set the booktype to the original (ie DVD+R for DVD+R and DVD+R DL to DVD+R DL, instead of DVD-ROM for both).

[old-hack]

Could it be that most Samsung standalone players are sensitive to the AUXDATA folder included in the bluray folder structure on DVD+R DL discs? Ever since I bought the PD-1500 I've had to delete the AUXDATA folder before burning with IMGBURN to be able to play them.

[Ghitulescu]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=146134 and http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=151690