AVCHD from Adobe Encore + PowerDVD need help

[DiKey]

First of all, I am sorry for my English.

I need help, please help me if you can.

I am making BluRay folder using Adobe Encore DVD (with menus and so on).

After that, i patched BluRay-folder to AVCHD-folder using AVCHD-PATCHER and writes it to DVD in UDF 2.50.

After this, my Playstation3 and many PC programs plays it perfectly.
But CyberLink PowerDVD plays BLACK menus, with menu markers.
I.e. I can see markers, I can push them UP and DOWN, i can enter them, but i cannot see the picture.

I think that it is because of Encore make this picture in MPEG2 standart, and PowerDVD in AVCHD disks plays only AVC video and AVC menus!
If my video in MPEG2 - it is BLACK. If my video in AVC it is OK.
All menus Encore makes in MPEG2.

Can I remake menus to AVC (it is only one frame in it!) not killing AVCHD structure, or can I force Encore to make AVC menus?
Thank you!

[DiKey]

Nobody knows?

[Music Fan]

There is a re-author mode in MultiAVCHD but I don't know if it can do what you need.
You can try it clicking on AVCHD/BDMV/DVD Folders.
I guess it doesn't work with Java menus.
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/

[poisondeathray]

You can make a motion menu with compliant avchd settings (to allow passthrough) e.g. with x264 , instead of a static menu which requires encore to encode


I am making BluRay folder using Adobe Encore DVD


...Is this correct? Your version of encore might now allow this . I think you need CS4 or CS5

[DiKey]

Thank you for answers.
Sure, i am using Adobe Encore CS5.
Motion menu takes too much place. Every second|megabyte is critical.

[poisondeathray]

Motion menu takes too much place. Every second|megabyte is critical.

1MB is too much ?

It doesn't have to be 1 second, just 1 or 2 frames for the loop point. It can't be much more than static menu

[DiKey]

1 second is not too much of course. But i am afraid of freezing every second, when looping.

[poisondeathray]

A "video" of a static menu does not consume much bitrate

You can use 2sec GOP settings for more efficiency

A quick test 1920x1080p23.976 1 minute raw video of a "menu" took 2.2MB

Of course it would take a bit more once authored and if you use audio

A few MB is too much ?

[DiKey]

Thank you. I will try.

[setarip_old]

@Dikey

Hi! After that, i patched BluRay-folder to AVCHD-folder using AVCHD-PATCHER and writes it to DVD in UDF 2.50.

Try omitting using the "patcher" and see how your "package" plays under PowerDVD...

[DiKey]

No any (practically) software or hardware BluRay player will not play BluRay video from DVD disk.
Not PowerDVD, not Playstation3.
It seems for them, like it is pirate video. (((

[deank]

You can't use MPEG2 for AVCHD - neither for menus nor for video. (PS3 accepts it but out of the standard).

If you want PC compatibility - author your disc as Blu-ray and not AVCHD.

[DiKey]

I want to recompress menus to h.264, but after this I need to edit AVCHD structure. How can I do it maximum fast?

[Music Fan]

You can't use MPEG2 for AVCHD - neither for menus nor for video. (PS3 accepts it but out of the standard).

If you want PC compatibility - author your disc as Blu-ray and not AVCHD.
Not only the PS3, Panasonic BD35 also plays mpeg-2 as videos on AVCHD (I mean MultiAVCHD's AVCHD, so out of standard anyway).

[alluringreality]

Can I remake menus to AVC (it is only one frame in it!) not killing AVCHD structure, or can I force Encore to make AVC menus?

CS4 keeps the menu controls and the background video in same stream (in-mux), but CS5 uses different streams for the controls and background video (out-of-mux). With CS5 you can manually transcode the background video and still keep the controls. I am not aware of a way to get AVC menus from Encore any other way. See http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1430422#post1430422 for how to edit the CS5 Encore output.

I found out today that at least one Panasonic player has an issue with that link, but it will work for PowerDVD and most AVCHD-compatible players. Based on http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1430162#post1430162 I think the steps to modify CS5 doesn't produce a true AVCHD because of the out-of-mux menu. The Panasonic player does play actual AVCHD from TotalMedia, so if it was somehow possible to transcode the video from CS4 both PowerDVD and the Panasonic player might work.

[Music Fan]

@ deank : Can the re-author mode of MultiAVCHD recompress the mpeg-2 menu in AVC keeping the interactivity ?

[alluringreality]

With the currently available tools I'm not aware of a way to convert the in-mux Mpeg-2 to AVC, but I can't say how multiAVCHD creates AVCHD strict menus outside of re-author mode. In email discussions when I was trying to figure out how to modify the Encore Mpeg2 menus so they would play for PowerDVD AVCHD playback, Dean basically said the only way to do what I was trying to do was if the authoring software used out-of-mux menus (like CS5). It appears that actually AVCHD uses in-mux menus (like CS4), so this seems to be the issue I've ran into with Panasonic players after using the out-of-mux AVC menu to get PowerDVD to play the Encore menus as AVCHD-compatible.

Currently the transcode option in multiAVCHD on the single-frame mpeg2 menu from Encore CS4 results in "(RT) Floating point division by zero -Line 23." when I try it. Using "Alter Detected Properties" and "Video Track" to choose an .m4v file does not work on the in-mux menu from CS4, it still stays with the original mpeg-2. You can use "Alter Detected Properties" and "Video Track" in multiAVCHD to replace the m2ts with multiAVCHD, but with CS4 you lose the navigation because it's part of the original m2ts. I suppose if there was a way to demux the navigation and then to mux it back into the video it might be possible, but I'm not aware of a way to demux and then mux the controls. I was told BDedit currently only works with out-of-mux menus (CS5).

Note: The CS5 modification in http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1430422#post1430422 could be done in multiAVCHD with "Alter Detected Properties" and "Video Track", but multiAVCHD build 770 sets the PlayItem time to 0 for the single-frame video from Encore, so BDedit would still have to be used to set the out time.

[Music Fan]

Thanks for these informations !