Iron Man 2 (Region 1) DVD

[layer3maniac]

Anyone else having trouble ripping this DVD? I can't get it done with DVDFab or even RI4M.

[Ghitulescu]

google says no, it can be done ;)

[ron spencer]

get AnyDVD...RI4M is ages too old.

[glitch19732000]

use newest version of dvdFab then click green check up top and disable pathplayer....... bunch of chapters come up you want 42
do not use passkey.....
works this way but you get movie only.......
just got done backing up my copy and hid original so kids cant ruin it

[ice1975man]

use newest version of dvdFab then click green check up top and disable pathplayer....... bunch of chapters come up you want 42
do not use passkey.....
works this way but you get movie only.......
just got done backing up my copy and hid original so kids cant ruin it

It seems like it is the way to go but when I picked chapter 42 there was no sound ??

[Big Oh]

When I was backing up my Iron Man 2 it took a long time to cycle through at the beginning and when it displayed the chapters I had approx. 10-12 versions. I choose the first one (Number 29) and it seems to working fine. I didn't disable anything. In regards to Glitch's comment about his kids... I have movies that are 15 years old and my girlfriend's two kids destroyed half of them... now I'm in the process of backing them all up!!! :(

[Big Oh]

Sorry about the last post... it was wrong!!! No. 29 didn't work... it crapped out at 1hour 3minutes into the movie. Maybe I'll just buy another copy for her kids!

[glitch19732000]

yeah I got no audio files too.... I am sorry about that..... :( sorry
someone here will help... these guys are the TITANS of backing up

[Big Oh]

Yup No.42 is no good... Help

[glitch19732000]

ok used dvdfab with pathplayer disabled went to chapter 29 did that and used dvd shrink got a good copy with sound but the first 2 minutes were missing with Mickey Rourke in Russia no biggie to me rest of movie ran GREAT

[setarip_old]

(I do not have the "Ironman2" DVD)

Hi!

Read the following post from another forum. The two critical words appear to be "NON-beta" and "Customize":

http://forum.dvdfab.com/showpost.php?p=54664&postcount=15

BTW - The running time of the movie is listed as 124 minutes (2 hours and 4 minutes)

Let us know how it goes ;>}

[Peer van Heuen]

ok used dvdfab with pathplayer disabled went to chapter 29 did that and used dvd shrink got a good copy with sound but the first 2 minutes were missing with Mickey Rourke in Russia no biggie to me rest of movie ran GREAT

Latest AnyDVD has been reported to work fine with this movie.
In combination with CloneDVD2 no problem.
In order for it to work in conjunction with Shrink, you need to rip this particular disc to hard drive first and then feed it to Shrink.

You'll get the whole movie/disc with no missing parts.

[layer3maniac]

I should have posted this yesterday.

Here is what I ended up doing - I ripped it with RI4M using "Full DVD" option, then opened with DVD Shrink and selected #29. Worked perfectly!

[Big Oh]

what is "RI4M"?

[stax76]

Rip It 4 Me, I wonder if MakeMKV can handle this disc too.

[mike20021969]

do not use passkey.....

It (now) works with the US version of Iron Man 2.

DVDFab Passkey 7.0.5.6 Beta (September 29, 2010)
New: Updated language files.
New: Added support for a new copy protection as found on "Iron Man 2" (US).

[glitch19732000]

yeah I downloaded new passkey.... backed it up and gave it to my kids they watched it... chapter 30 I believe it is

[dtbm51]

Disabling PathPlayer, using "Custom" and checking off Chapter 29 worked like a charm. Now my question is: Should PathPlayer remain disabled, or should I enable it again until another problem like this one arises?

[setarip_old]

@dtbm51

Hi! Should PathPlayer remain disabled, or should I enable it again until another problem like this one arises? The reason it's switchable is because different source materials require different "PathPlayer" settings. So, just try one way and if that doesn't do the trick, try another setting ; >}

[mike20021969]

The reason it's switchable is because different source materials require different "PathPlayer" settings. So, just try one way and if that doesn't do the trick, try another setting
It's weird, really.
When a DVD is put into a standalone DVD player, it works. Hit Play Movie, and it plays.

Wasn't PathPlayer was supposed emulate this? Yet sometimes it has to be enabled and other times disabled, or a specific title has to be selected.
Why cant PathPlayer decide what is what, like what the DVD player can?

[setarip_old]

@mike20021969

The following thread may provide you with some insight regarding your (perfectly valid) question:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1214599#post1214599

[mike20021969]

@mike20021969

The following thread may provide you with some insight regarding your (perfectly valid) question:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1214599#post1214599

It was very entertaining read :)

But I still do not understand why a DVD player KNOWS what can be played (immediately), yet the scanners (sometimes) still make errors.

[setarip_old]

@mike20021969 I still do not understand why a DVD player KNOWS what can be played (immediately), yet the scanners (sometimes) still make errors. Something to do with the two different file systems (UDF and ISO) employed. I personally don't know enough about it - otherwise I wouldn't have posted to the thread I directed you to ;>}

[Ghitulescu]

A hardware manufacturers has direct access to the DVD specs, a freeware author however not.

[Peer van Heuen]

But I still do not understand why a DVD player KNOWS what can be played (immediately), yet the scanners (sometimes) still make errors.

@mike20021969 Something to do with the two different file systems (UDF and ISO) employed.

That's one part of the answer.

A hardware manufacturers has direct access to the DVD specs, a freeware author however not.

That's not ("freeware author" - are you serious?? :) )

The other part of the answer is: a DVD player doesn't really know what can be played. It simply - under normal circumstances - doesn't play what it can't, because you, as the customer don't tell it to.

There are several discs out there where you actually CAN crash your hardware player by simply pressing the wrong button at the wrong time on your remote.
It's not always simple for a scanner like AnyDVD to tell whether that user interaction is one that needs to be included or to be by all means avoided.

[Ghitulescu]

That's not ("freeware author" - are you serious?? :) )
Not being disrespectful, but there are freeware/donationware solutions, not so good as anydvd, but yet they are. Their authors would not spend [still] ~5000$ from their money just to give others software for free. That was my point. Sorry for any undesirable confusion.
The other part of the answer is: a DVD player doesn't really know what can be played. It simply - under normal circumstances - doesn't play what it can't, because you, as the customer don't tell it to.
The DVD player has enough information to actually play a DVD. At least it should have.

Indeed, a DVD player has no knowledge of nor the ability to predict one's movements, yet it is supposed to be able to play what its owner wants (from what was him/her allowed during the authoring phase - PUO, navigation etc.). Ideally. I'll come back to this issue in the last §.
There are several discs out there where you actually CAN crash your hardware player by simply pressing the wrong button at the wrong time on your remote.
That's too bad and these disks are probably out-of-specs (if all players crash) or the specific manufacturer cut the corners (and the costs) and partially implemented the features that were regarded as statistically improbable to occur or to be needed.
It's not always simple for a scanner like AnyDVD to tell whether that user interaction is one that needs to be included or to be by all means avoided.
So my sugestion would be to mimic the HW/SW DVD player in so far that the user interaction is required to "walk" through the navigation.

[mike20021969]

The other part of the answer is: a DVD player doesn't really know what can be played. It simply - under normal circumstances - doesn't play what it can't, because you, as the customer don't tell it to.

There are several discs out there where you actually CAN crash your hardware player by simply pressing the wrong button at the wrong time on your remote.
It's not always simple for a scanner like AnyDVD to tell whether that user interaction is one that needs to be included or to be by all means avoided.Thanks for that :)

[Peer van Heuen]

there are freeware/donationware solutions, not so good as anydvd, but yet they are.

I'm aware of that - just that the question was aimed at a very specific non-freeware application.

The DVD player has enough information to actually play a DVD. At least it should have.

[...]

That's too bad and these disks are probably out-of-specs (if all players crash) or the specific manufacturer cut the corners (and the costs) and partially implemented the features that were regarded as statistically improbable to occur or to be needed.

Correct. Out of desperation.

First off: NONE of those copy protected discs is "in-specs":

1. The specs make no mention of deliberatly adding unreadable sectors right in the middle of everything.

2. The specs are quite clear about the whereabouts of the IFO and BUP files in relation to the associated VOB files. Many copy protections violate those rules at least as far as BUPs go. And severely.

3. DVDs are required to come with a UDF and ISO layer that actually reflects the real elements. Most copyprotected discs come with a totally messed up file system.

4. Some IFOs contain a lot of nonesense, that just don't mess up most players out of pure luck or only result in smaller side effects. Garbage data, missing data, ...

So my sugestion would be to mimic the HW/SW DVD player in so far that the user interaction is required to "walk" through the navigation.

For a full copy that would require a user to watch the whole disc several times over and over again and press every button in every possible situation. And every language (menu, subtitle, audio). And every TV format (4:3 vs. wide screen, otherwise you may lose buttons).
Don't forget the extras. Maybe even the games (you need EVERY possible variation). Oh, and remember the easter eggs, you'll have to know about them in advance or your copy will never reveal them, when you find out later where they should have been.
And think of "interactive" discs like "Spiderman 1" - watch the movie and "when the spider comes" click on it to see the making of the scene.
Or like Star Wars discs with random elements that play slightly differently every time you watch a certain scene (so you'll have to watch it several times yourself, in order to cover all the possibilities - and do that in every language...).
A thorough copy would take roughly 5 weeks.

So no, I'll stick with automatic ;)

[129ten]

leyer3maniac - I did it your way with RI4M and Shrink and worked perfectly just like you said. This one was tricky.

[spotter]

There's a reason this copy protection mechanisms work.

They work because they tell the DVD player what to do while the ripper ignores those instructions. If the DVD says read block X, then block X+2. That's what the DVD player will do. If block X+1 is bad, DVD player doesn't care as never tries to read it (Except if its doing some sort of readahead, dont know if players do this or not, probably a lot of research goes into where the bad blocks are placed). On the other hand a dvd ripper will try to read block X, X+1, X+2, X+3... if it doesn't pay attention to what the DVD says to play.

Now think, there are a lot of open source dvd players that have very minimal logic to get around copy protections (generally just care about region coding). They work fine with all these structural disc protections? why? because they have they follow the instructions that the DVD says. They play block X, then X+2....