How Long Should It Take

[xterminater]

yea man bluray to bd9 takes forever and bd5 as well!! I'm on a amd x2 overclocked to 2.9ghz with 3gb of ram and I'm running at only 0.13x at 3.05 fps! :( Does this sound right for this cpu jdobbs? Could it be done faster? Also on of the extras on my bluray dvd are not detected as extras by BD-RB to do a quick one pass. It's detected as actual movie and get encoded two pass which took 9 hours! The segment was only 20 min long. What a waste of time!!!! Jdobbs, is there a way I could overrride this and tell BD-RB that it is extra content and NOT a movie so that way I won't waste time and electricity?

Here are the log files:

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[13:49:52] BD Rebuilder v0.34.11 (beta)
- Source: BDRA
- Input BD size: 42.10 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:09:19.848]
- Target BD size: 7.84 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- Auto Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
- Resuming from previously started job.
[13:49:53] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [13:49:53] Reencoding: VID_00500 (3 of 5)
- [13:49:53] Collecting video information
- Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 1,296 frames
- [13:49:54] Reencoding: VID_00500, Pass 1 of 1
- [13:51:24] Video Encode complete
- [13:51:24] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [13:51:24] Multiplexing M2TS
- [13:51:28] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00003]
- [13:53:58] Reencoding: VID_00003 (4 of 5)
- [13:53:58] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-2, 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 81,960 frames
- Bitrate: 4,223 Kbs
- [13:53:59] Reencoding: VID_00003, Pass 1 of 2
- [16:25:50] Reencoding: VID_00003, Pass 2 of 2
- [01:38:50] Video Encode complete
- [01:38:50] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [01:38:50] Multiplexing M2TS
- [01:39:56] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [01:49:31] Reencoding: VID_00000 (5 of 5)
- [01:49:31] Collecting video information
- Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 203,580 frames
- Bitrate: 4,039 Kbs
- [01:49:32] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
- [08:18:34] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 2 of 2

as you can see VID_00003 got encoded with two pass :(

[jdobbs]

What a waste of time!!!!
...waste time and electricity Is English your first language? You really should review the way you say things. If you want help, it isn't a good idea to say something like this -- especially when you don't understand it.

Sometimes an M2TS is a part of a multi-part sequence. In those instances you can't do a "quick" encode (no matter how small they are) unless it can be done against the entire string of the multi-part sequence. If you did, you could be watching something and see the quality change back-and-forth midstream. It would be my guess that is what forced 00003 in your post to be encoded with 2 passes. So, as you see, it isn't a "waste of time".

Also here is a quote from the BD Rebuilder beta thread:IF BD-RB DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU. JUST REPORT IT AS A BUG. Please leave out the "I wasted 16 hours of my time" commentary. If you don't know the risk of testing a beta you shouldn't be downloading this software.

As for your speed... it seems slow to me. But speed depends on CPU type/speed, memory speed, and hard drive speed/space -- of which CPU is the most important. My AMD Phenom II X4 945 running at 3.4Ghz gets around 30fps in pass 1 and 15fps in pass 2 when doing a VC-1 1080p encode using "High Quality". That would make me think your system should be faster than 3fps.

But, the bottom line is: Encoding 1080p takes a lot of horsepower and time.

[Dirk Diggler]

yea man bluray to bd9 takes forever and bd5 as well!! I'm on a amd x2 overclocked to 2.9ghz with 3gb of ram and I'm running at only 0.13x at 3.05 fps! :( Does this sound right for this cpu jdobbs? Could it be done faster? Also on of the extras on my bluray dvd are not detected as extras by BD-RB to do a quick one pass. It's detected as actual movie and get encoded two pass which took 9 hours! The segment was only 20 min long. What a waste of time!!!! Jdobbs, is there a way I could overrride this and tell BD-RB that it is extra content and NOT a movie so that way I won't waste time and electricity?

Here are the log files:

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[13:49:52] BD Rebuilder v0.34.11 (beta)
- Source: BDRA
- Input BD size: 42.10 GB
- Approximate total content: [03:09:19.848]
- Target BD size: 7.84 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7600]
- Auto Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
- Resuming from previously started job.
[13:49:53] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [13:49:53] Reencoding: VID_00500 (3 of 5)
- [13:49:53] Collecting video information
- Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 1,296 frames
- [13:49:54] Reencoding: VID_00500, Pass 1 of 1
- [13:51:24] Video Encode complete
- [13:51:24] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [13:51:24] Multiplexing M2TS
- [13:51:28] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00003]
- [13:53:58] Reencoding: VID_00003 (4 of 5)
- [13:53:58] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-2, 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 81,960 frames
- Bitrate: 4,223 Kbs
- [13:53:59] Reencoding: VID_00003, Pass 1 of 2
- [16:25:50] Reencoding: VID_00003, Pass 2 of 2
- [01:38:50] Video Encode complete
- [01:38:50] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [01:38:50] Multiplexing M2TS
- [01:39:56] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [01:49:31] Reencoding: VID_00000 (5 of 5)
- [01:49:31] Collecting video information
- Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 203,580 frames
- Bitrate: 4,039 Kbs
- [01:49:32] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 2
- [08:18:34] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 2 of 2

as you can see VID_00003 got encoded with two pass :(

Is this an Phenom X2 or an Athlon X2? In either situation you are running a DUAL CORE cpu and if its an Athlon X2 this processor is circa 2006 how much faster do you think things will happen with 4 yr old technology or a dual core machine for that matter?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon_64_X2

[xterminater]

jdobbs, english is not my first language.. also I don't see anything wrong with typing grammatically what I said. What I said is true, I think encoding 2 pass for a director's interview is a waste of time, and also electricity because it's 9 hours running constant max cpu max power on something I don't need to be clear to see. I rather put those time into encoding a real movie segment instead of the director's interview. And also that m2ts wouldn't be part of the movie so you wouldn't be experience that quality change back and forth midstream. Would it be possible to have that as a choice for the next BD-RB and in the final version? The ability to chose what m2ts segments to encode at which pass?

Also yes my cpu is old no doubt... but still it is still consider a dual core and should have the ability to handle video encoding. It should not be this slow I know. I don't understand why though... I am not doing anything else to my hard drive and it's a black caviar... 3GB ddr2 ram should be plenty and that's about it.

[Groucho2004]

It should not be this slow I know.

Actually, 3 fps @1080p with x264 on an old Athlon X2 (I assume) with 2.9 GHz sounds about right. It depends a lot on the settings, though.

[xterminater]

really? that slow? :( Looks like I have to upgrade my cpu to like a quad core now ... sigh... The settings are all default on BD-RB.

[Groucho2004]

really? that slow?

Unfortunately, yes. I recently upgraded from a Core 2 Duo @ 3.4 GHz to a Core 2 Quad @3 GHz because encoding a 1080p movie took too long (I usually let it run over night but even that wasn't enough time for the C2D).

It's still slow but at least now the encoding is finished in the morning. :)

[jdobbs]

jdobbs, english is not my first language.. also I don't see anything wrong with typing grammatically what I said. What I said is true, I think encoding 2 pass for a director's interview is a waste of time, and also electricity because it's 9 hours running constant max cpu max power on something I don't need to be clear to see. I rather put those time into encoding a real movie segment instead of the director's interview. And also that m2ts wouldn't be part of the movie so you wouldn't be experience that quality change back and forth midstream. Would it be possible to have that as a choice for the next BD-RB and in the final version? The ability to chose what m2ts segments to encode at which pass?

Also yes my cpu is old no doubt... but still it is still consider a dual core and should have the ability to handle video encoding. It should not be this slow I know. I don't understand why though... I am not doing anything else to my hard drive and it's a black caviar... 3GB ddr2 ram should be plenty and that's about it. Well if you think it's ok -- then I guess you're just rude and you will get no further assistance from me. I've had my fill of jerks for the week.

As I explained, it isn't a waste of time, it is necessary. I should only have to say that once. But you will contradict me, even though you have no clue as to how BD-RB examines the MPLS files and makes the choice. I would bet, in fact, that you have no idea how a multi-stream playlist is combined or where the information might be that makes it necessary to encode it. But you are still willing to argue the point with me. You now even go so far as to tell me how I should write my program! It's obvious you know more than I do, so I'd suggest you write your own backup software.

Incredible. :rolleyes:

[xterminater]

huh? jdobbs I did even say anything about how you should write your program. I just simply ask and requested as an add on for future release. I think you overanalyzed what I said. Also how did you came up with the statement that I was rude to you and get no further assistance from you? For forum posting, I don't think we "have" to write in correct english with puntuation marks and what not. Maybe it's just you who like to write in complete sentences and criticize or overanalyzed what others have said and imply things. I always praised the way you do your releases and for being an expert at video that is why I ask questions from you to find answers, I'm not like the other guy who try to prove you wrong or what not. Hope you don't misunderstand me!

[GaPony]

You should take the time to read the threads about this product. Then you'll have a better understanding of how it works, the best settings to use, and the times you can expect.

I see no reason for all that accumulated knowledge to be boiled down to a single post, for your benefit. The questions have been answered over, and over, and over again in the main bug reports thread, and others.

[xterminater]

hi gapony... I understand the question has been answered over and over before but as you know searching for it can be a pain in the butt. Not only that it's tedious to find but it can be misleading as well unless you go directly one on one with your own problem. Also I know you mention it being talked over and over, I see some of the topic are turned to sticky because it's important or it can be helpful in general but I couldn't find an answer and plus like I said to jdobbs before, I didn't make this post. I just want to stay on the same topic before so it's not confusing because we were all discussing about it.

[Groucho2004]

hi gapony... I understand the question has been answered over and over before but as you know searching for it can be a pain in the butt. Not only that it's tedious to find but it can be misleading as well unless you go directly one on one with your own problem. Also I know you mention it being talked over and over, I see some of the topic are turned to sticky because it's important or it can be helpful in general but I couldn't find an answer and plus like I said to jdobbs before, I didn't make this post. I just want to stay on the same topic before so it's not confusing because we were all discussing about it.

Woah, you completely lost me here. I can't make head or tails out of this. Maybe it's just me...

[extravirgin]

And back to how long it takes...

I'm running an i7 860 and I leave it overnight too. Life's too short to sit watching blue bars move slowly to the right.

The results from BD Rebuilder are well worth it though.

[setarip_old]

@xterminater I understand the question has been answered over and over before but as you know searching for it can be a pain in the butt.I'm sensing that you haven't used or, perhaps, don't know how to use the thread search and forum search functions - because surely you can't possibly expect other members to do your searching for you.

I'd suggest you stop finding different ways to raise the same question(s) and make the effort to do the (as you put it) "pain in the butt" searching yourself... (I'd also suggest that you stop butting heads with the moderator/BD-RB author)

[xterminater]

setarip_old... what are you talking about? how am i butting heads? i never start a fight or argument with anyone.

[jdobbs]

@setarip_old

Give up. Trying to convince these blockheads that they are anything but right is an endless battle. My back-and-forth with another genius concerning something as clearly definitive as the fully documented AVCHD standard pretty much convinced me that no matter how much of a clueless noob someone may be, they are convinced they know more than any of us do.

I remember when DOOM9 was a place where people in the know could exchange ideas. But now it's being inundated by noobs. That's not a bad thing in and of itself, except that some of them are now throwing around total nonsense based on their 2 cents worth of backgrouind and speaking as if it is coming from the burning bush. Other noobs don't know the difference. Worse -- they refuse to accept correction, information, or simple common sense.

Frustrating as it is, it's hard to take pride in engaging in a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent. The best you can do is just shake your head and walk away.

[setarip_old]

@xterminater

Okie dokie...

I guess it wasn't anything you said to "jdobbs" that prompted him to post the following response to you: then I guess you're just rude and you will get no further assistance from me. I've had my fill of jerks for the week.
BTW - You might want to read the other parts of my post (not just the part about "butting heads").

Bye...

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Of course you're right - but I was hoping for your sake that my choice of words might register with "xterminater".
Unfortunately, it looks like I was hoping against hope.

Is "shunning" still used by some religious sects? ;>}

[GaPony]

hi gapony... I understand the question has been answered over and over before but as you know searching for it can be a pain in the butt. Not only that it's tedious to find but it can be misleading as well unless you go directly one on one with your own problem. Also I know you mention it being talked over and over, I see some of the topic are turned to sticky because it's important or it can be helpful in general but I couldn't find an answer and plus like I said to jdobbs before, I didn't make this post. I just want to stay on the same topic before so it's not confusing because we were all discussing about it.

I think if you (or anyone else new to the software) simply reads the main thread, even skims through it, you'll learn most, if not all the important ins and outs of how it works, along with some of the reasons you may be getting unexpected results.

Over time, you'll have a huge investment, in processing time, for copying your Blu-Ray movies. It would pay big benefits to spend a few hours, or even a couple days, looking through the threads, before jumping straight to copying.

Of course you are free to do what you want, but you'll find helps comes quicker and easier to those who already have a good fundamental knowledge of how things work.

[xterminater]

Gapony, I know how it works when looking or seeking help in forums :) I did read through many topics and posts on here before asking jdobbs or posting my own because either I have missed some parts when reading them, or I couldn't find the answer. One of my blu-ray contents does have a BDJO folder which is java content and have the java menu, which is supported by my blu-ray player. Well, at least that's what it said in the box. If it claims it plays java bluray it supposed to, but this time when the menu came up I got a black screen! I even tried it with a BD-9. This is why I'm so stumped because regardless of what the media it is on, it should still read the java content inside that media. But, I guess not because it didn't play. I've looked up their forums for that philips bdp 5110/f7 and it said bluray with java takes longer to play that's all. Anyways, I followed drmih advice and got the samsung 3d player instead, so that way I got 3D feature as well as the ability to play BD5/BD9 back up WITH java without problems, so heck why not get it :)

[GaPony]

Just a bit of advice... the first thing you should do when turning on a new BD-Player is check to see if there's a firmware update. This is regardless of brand or model.