How to Change Output size in DVD Rebuilder?

[dipendotsFTW]

hi guys. i am using the newest version of DVD Rebuilder Pro, AviSynth and CCE SP2. is it possible for me to change the size of the DVD5 output? currently the program makes my DVD5 have a size of 4.32 GB. is there any way i can change that so the size is about 4.37 GB? i also use the highest number of passes. most of the things i convert are fast paced movies such sports stuff like wrestling and hockey.
thanks in advance

[Capsbackup]

You can, but you will not improve the quality at all for the approx. 50MB file size increase. You potentially will do more harm than good, especially if you are burning to DVD, since you will be filling the disc to it's maximum capabilities, leaving the outer edges of the disc vulnerable to scratches and making the disc unreadable.
In three click mode, after running the first stage prepare, go to settings, and just slide the quality slider higher for all or an individual pgc, until you reach the totlal size you desire. This can result in oversizing! ;)

[HWK]

Recording up to 4.37GB is very bad idea. At most 4.36 GB with very good media. Not junk you find everywhere these days.

[manono]

I encode to 4475-4480 MB (4.37+ GB) every time with no problems.

I've never used the pro version, but by adjusting the figure in the INI file, the free version allows for a larger final size. See here:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=528620#post528620

[Capsbackup]

But will the quality be increased with this marginal file size increase? I don't believe so.
Is the trade off worth it? Not according to jdobbs, and since he set the default at 4.32GB, I have never oversized nor been disappointed in the quality of the backup.
But, I guess to each his own! :p
The adjustment capability is there, and thus so is the choice. ;)

[manono]

Sure, to each his own. I was just answering dipendotsFTW's question about how to do it (as did you earlier, I guess, using a different method). His question wasn't, "Is it a good idea to increase the final size?" It might be anal, but I like to squeeze every bit of quality out of my encodes. And if you're careful about taking care of the discs, scratches on the outside shouldn't be a problem (although I've wrecked a few like that).

[jdobbs]

Sure, to each his own. I was just answering dipendotsFTW's question about how to do it (as did you earlier, I guess, using a different method). His question wasn't, "Is it a good idea to increase the final size?" It might be anal, but I like to squeeze every bit of quality out of my encodes. And if you're careful about taking care of the discs, scratches on the outside shouldn't be a problem (although I've wrecked a few like that). I don't think the problem is actually scratches, but either spin speed adjustment at write time or an issue in the manufacturing process of the outer edges. I've seen it happen a lot, though, and not only on low-quality discs.

[dipendotsFTW]

i use the highest quality DVD media out there. i use AZO Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden so thats not a problem to me and i take care of my discs very well. i am anal about scratches, so they rarely occur.
i just wanted t increase the final output because i wanna have the same size as those other programs like DVD Shrink and stuff. i am dealing with fast paced video like MMA and wrestling stuff so the extra 50 MB makes a difference.
i will give it a show.
@manono i tried that a while ago in the Pro version and it didn't work. but thanks anyway. i will try what Capsbackup said.
@jdobbs i don't think i will have a problem because i burn at 4x always and use good media. thank you for helping me and thanks for creating this awesome program. can't wait to see the next update for this.

[Groucho2004]

i am dealing with fast paced video like MMA and wrestling stuff so the extra 50 MB makes a difference.

You obviously have super-human powers to be able to notice a 1 % difference in bitrate. Congratulations.

[jdobbs]

i use the highest quality DVD media out there. i use AZO Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden so thats not a problem to me and i take care of my discs very well. i am anal about scratches, so they rarely occur.
i just wanted t increase the final output because i wanna have the same size as those other programs like DVD Shrink and stuff. i am dealing with fast paced video like MMA and wrestling stuff so the extra 50 MB makes a difference.
i will give it a show.
@manono i tried that a while ago in the Pro version and it didn't work. but thanks anyway. i will try what Capsbackup said.
@jdobbs i don't think i will have a problem because i burn at 4x always and use good media. thank you for helping me and thanks for creating this awesome program. can't wait to see the next update for this.The output sizes in the Pro version very definitely work. You just set them in INI file. If they aren't working you are either using the wrong target variable or are misspelling it. See this post:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=748168&highlight=hctargetsectors#post748168

You also have to make sure you are editing the correct INI file. Vista creates a virtual copy of it and stores it in the user data area. That one is used during execution (not my choice -- Vista's).

TargetSectors=nnnn sets the output size -- but is overridden by targets for individual encoders. There's also a setting for dual layer output (just prefix with DL, e.g. DLTargetSectors=nnnn or DLHCTargetSectors=nnnn).

As for burning to the edge -- as I said, good media (even the best) experiences it too, not to mention the fact that sizing during encoding is inherently inaccurate, and I would strongly recommend not going over 4.36GB. Other packages (like DVD Shrink) you will find can fill to the edge -- but with noticably lower quality. Since quality isn't their goal, I guess they don't care about pixelation at the edges either. But sometimes experience is the only teacher -- so it's your decision.

[dipendotsFTW]

yeah i don't plan on going higher than 4.36 GB. i will try that INI file thing. the only reason i wanna even change the size is because i wanna encodefast paced material like wrestling and MMA and that little amount can make a difference. btw is there any way to make that stuff look clearer. is the default settings the best or is there anything i should should alter (i use the highest amount of passes already). is there any "smooth" functions or stuff like that?

[jdobbs]

What encoder are you using?

[dipendotsFTW]

i am using the last version of CCE SP (2.70.02.12).

[jdobbs]

i am using the last version of CCE SP (2.70.02.12). Just for grins, try HC Encoder. If the source is interlaced my experience has been that HC does a better job than CCE.

[dipendotsFTW]

how so? does fast-paced stuff look clearer and less pixelated?

btw how do i use the newest version of CCE SP2 with this. i have been using CCE SP for a while now but i wanna try SP2. i know SP3 isn't supported yet but i hope it comes.
i will give HC a shot and compare it to CCE.

[jdobbs]

how so? does fast-paced stuff look clearer and less pixelated?

btw how do i use the newest version of CCE SP2 with this. i have been using CCE SP for a while now but i wanna try SP2. i know SP3 isn't supported yet but i hope it comes.
i will give HC a shot and compare it to CCE. I got an example of the SP3 config file, it's very much different from SP & SP2, so I'm not sure how long that will be. SP2 is supported now, just install it and the "SP2 Trial" option gets enabled -- then you just select it.

I'm not sure if "fast-paced" is the key -- but I'm guessing (possibly incorrectly) that the source may be interlaced, and HC (to my eyes) handles that better. HC's overall quality is also comparible to CCE also. On single processor systems CCE is faster, but HC outdoes it on multiple processors.

[dipendotsFTW]

okay i will give HC a shot. i use the most passes for all of the encoders i use.
i am using a dual core and speed is not an issue to me.
i will compare my results on both encoders and i am pretty sure that the source is interlaced so lets see how it goes.
thank you jdobbs for all of your help