BD-RB and MultiAVCHD updates = HDDVD problem

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs

Hi!

As of v.34.02, BD-RB uses a version of x264.exe with a filesize of 6,336KB. Using this version of x264.exe together with:
HDDVD_COMPLIANT=1
USE_NAL_HRD=0
results in an .M2TS file that MultiAVCHD indicates is "HD-DVD compliant". Choosing to "quick process" as HD-DVD (takes about 15 minutes), either with or without transcoding, yields a file that plays back video as a "slide show" with audio at normal speed.

With prior versions, I was able to replace the BD-RB x264.exe with an older x264.exe with a filesize of 1,097KB without causing problems with BD-RB's performance. Doing so also allowed MultiAVCHD to successfully convert the .M2TS file to a properly playing HD-DVD "package".

Unfortunately, with v.34.02 of BD-RB, swapping in the older version of x264.exe prevents BD-RB from functioning properly.

Although I can, of course, use BD-RB with its proper 6,336KB x264.exe and NOT including:
HDDVD_COMPLIANT=1
USE_NAL_HRD=0 and then use MultiAVCHD, in the "standard" method to convert to HD-DVD (takes about two to three hours), I'd obviously prefer to be able to use the "quick process".

Your thoughts and/or suggestions will be appreciated.

[jdobbs]

I'll see what I can do. But I guess what I have a hard time understanding is why you would still be using HD-DVD for anything. At first it made sense, I guess, because of investments made before the format wars were over. But that standard has been dead for a long time now. What are you going to do with all those HD-DVD titles when your player breaks and you can't buy another one?

[setarip_old]

I'll see what I can do.Thank you.

What are you going to do with all those HD-DVD titles when your player breaks and you can't buy another one?You're assuming I have only one ;>}

[jdobbs]

Thank you.

You're assuming I have only one ;>} My suggestion would still be to fork out $100 for a Sony BDP-S360. It would still look nice sitting next to your Betamax VCR and your Apple II computer. ;)

[setarip_old]

My suggestion would still be to fork out $100 for a Sony BDP-S360.I already have a couple of that specific model (Only one is in current use)

It would still look nice sitting next to your Betamax VCR and your Apple II computer.Cute, but actually quite accurate. I've been an avid collector of personal computer related hardware (primarily Atari, Apple, Commodore) since 1979, when I acquired an Atari VCS/2600 for my kids - and then acquired and utilized a cartridge (Custom made by "Computer Magic") that is used for programming the VCS in either binary or FORTH, IIRC.

With regard to my continuing use of HD-DVD players, there are several reasons:

1) There are MANY HD-DVD titles available for as little as $1.00 each

2) I already have a substantial collection of HD-DVDs

3) In my opinion, the Toshiba's upconverting of standard DVDs is second to none

4) My grandkids thought it was "cool" to be able to watch a legally purchased disc of "Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" in High-Def (HD-DVD) several months before it was available on BluRay

5) Converting between High-Def formats is fun (and keeps me feeling young), thanks to the tools created by you, "deank", and others ;>}

[Capsbackup]

@setarip_old;
5) Converting between High-Def formats is fun (and keeps me feeling young), thanks to the tools created by you, "deank", and others ;>}

I think you have your numbers/order mixed up, and believe there should be a 1 next to this line! :p

[deank]

:p

To straighten things up again... multiAVCHD uses x264 builds, compiled by rack04. These builds have sizes ~900kb and don't include the fancy decoding/encoding outputs (mp4, ffmpeg....) but just the old plain raw .264 format and these builds use long start-codes for nal units.

It shouldn't be a problem to use these builds with BDRB, unless you also want to export to Ipad or other weird devices. :)

The 'slide-show' effect is caused by the patch I applied to hddvdmux a month ago. Without it it would simply crash.

Dean

[setarip_old]

@deank

Unfortunately, no - This time around, swapping your 754KB x264.exe into BD-RB causes BD-RB to fail (with a BluRay that required use of the recently added "Deinterlace" function)...

[jdobbs]

:p

To straighten things up again... multiAVCHD uses x264 builds, compiled by rack04. These builds have sizes ~900kb and don't include the fancy decoding/encoding outputs (mp4, ffmpeg....) but just the old plain raw .264 format and these builds use long start-codes for nal units.

It shouldn't be a problem to use these builds with BDRB, unless you also want to export to Ipad or other weird devices. :)

The 'slide-show' effect is caused by the patch I applied to hddvdmux a month ago. Without it it would simply crash.

Dean It depends. I'm not sure if the RACK04 build includes the lavf demuxer. It is required to accurately reencode multi-part sources. The combination of AVISYNTH, FFDSHOW, and HAALI drops a few frames at the end of an encode. That doesn't mean anything for a complete movie, but it will cause a "pause" at seamless branching or angle points on a multi-part source.

[Sophocles]

Devils Advocate:devil:

I'll see what I can do. But I guess what I have a hard time understanding is why you would still be using HD-DVD for anything.


When HD-DVD gave up the battle HD-DVD ti Blu-Ray, HD-DVD became available for around $1.99 to $4.99 at Amazon.com. Since I already had an LG HD-DVD reader /Blu-Ray burner I immediately scooped up a couple and converted them to Blu-Ray. It worked so well that I purchased another 50 or so. A good example of a good deal was the first season of Battle Star Galactica for $7.99. There is no qualitative difference between the formats so it seemed like a good project at the time.:D

[laserfan]

Devils Advocate:devil:

When HD-DVD gave up the battle HD-DVD ti Blu-Ray, HD-DVD became available for around $1.99 to $4.99 at Amazon.com. Since I already had an LG HD-DVD reader /Blu-Ray burner I immediately scooped up a couple and converted them to Blu-Ray. It worked so well that I purchased another 50 or so. A good example of a good deal was the first season of Battle Star Galactica for $7.99. There is no qualitative difference between the formats so it seemed like a good project at the time.:D
But the OP wants to make compliant HD-DVDs, not Blu-rays.

I suppose one can rationalize converting BD discs to HD-DVD, though I can see that getting freeware authors' support for same means they'll be expending energy on an incredibly small "market" for sure.

[setarip_old]

@laserfan

Hi! I can see that getting freeware authors' support for same means they'll be expending energy on an incredibly small "market" for sure.

As you know (but others reading your post may not), I'm not seeking a new capability regarding these two wonderful programs. Rather, what I've pointed out to "jdobbs" and "deank" is that their previously created intercompatibility of BD-RB and MultiAVCHD allowing rapid conversion from compressed BluRay to HD-DVD has now been "broken" - and, if they're willing to "fix" this, it woud be greatly appreciated ;>}

[deank]

The easiest (proper) way to restore the compatibility is to ask rack04 to compile the same x264 build which BD-Rebuilder uses but with long-start codes for nal-hrd. It is the only thing which affects HD-DVD authoring.

Dean

[Sophocles]

But the OP wants to make compliant HD-DVDs, not Blu-rays.


True, but I was responding to jdobbs' line below "why would you be using HD-DVD for anything. There was nothing else tied to it. :rolleyes: