DVD-RB - CCE SP3 Support

[steptoe]

Will DVD-RB be updated at any point to add support for the new CCE SP3

Is it now a back burner software as most of your time is spent on BD-RB


Thanks

[August59]

I would like to "ditto" this question? Thanks

[jdobbs]

Unfortunately I don't have copy of CCE SP3 to do any testing or building the proper config files.

[kabster]

Unfortunately I don't have copy of CCE SP3 to do any testing or building the proper config files.

Jdobbs,

I dont get it... wot about this http://www.cinemacraft.com/en/ccesp3_dl.html!?

Woudnt that help you to give you an idea in how to implement it in dvdrb ?

A copy of CCE3 is available to everyone !?

Just my 2 penny's

cheers,

[jdobbs]

Jdobbs,

I dont get it... wot about this http://www.cinemacraft.com/en/ccesp3_dl.html!?

Woudnt that help you to give you an idea in how to implement it in dvdrb ?

A copy of CCE3 is available to everyone !?

Just my 2 penny's

cheers,June was a long time ago. The problem with SP3 is that Custom Technology has (once again) completely revamped their configuration files... and I'm just not sure its worth it to have to start from scratch again (like I've done so many times before) to make their software work just because someone on their staff got a wild hair up his a$$ and decided to make their software incompatible with previous versions. It's especially difficult to justify in my mind when (in my opinion) HC Encoder has progressed to a point at which it is superior, faster, and completely free.

Add to that the fact that I'm lucky if I get one DVD Rebuilder Pro donation every month or two -- and you can see why I'm not jumping anxiously into a coding frenzy over CCE SP3.

[manolito]

Why am I not surprised?
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1423818#post1423818

Maybe Fishman0919 has something ready by now...:devil:

Cheers
manolito

[Video Dude]

I dont get it... wot about this http://www.cinemacraft.com/en/ccesp3_dl.html!?


The posted link is for the SP3 updater. You need to have purchased SP3 for the update file to be of any use.

A trial version of SP3 is not available.

[shon3i]

Why am I not surprised?
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1423818#post1423818

Maybe Fishman0919 has something ready by now...:devil:

Cheers
manolito
It can be done on several ways. I will look what i can do. Maybe i write wrapper.

EDIT: i just quick look at CCE SP3 documentation and i didn't saw that support AVS as input, can SP3 open AVS, i can't try right now? that can be only problem here? Otherwise DVDRebulder can use any cmd encoder so one batch can be written easily.

[kabster]

June was a long time ago.


So is CCE3, first release on april 2010 !



It's especially difficult to justify in my mind when (in my opinion) HC Encoder has progressed to a point at which it is superior, faster, and completely free.


You realy are conviced of that ?i!?

To me CCE looked tad bit better then HC especially when doing very low bit rate movies ranging from between 2200 - 2500 !!

With HC i always have had ALLOT more BLOCKs in demanding scenes unlike CCE, but cce might have more mosqito noise yes...

Watching HC encoded scenes was like watching Transcoding Scenes, but iam talking about very low bit rates (2000 - 2500) !!

That having said, you easily can camouflage the mosquito noise using filters in addition to cce which is harder to do with macro blocks in my experience !

Oh wel to each his own

take care dobs and the likes

[jdobbs]

So is CCE3, first release on april 2010 !




You realy are conviced of that ?i!?

To me CCE looked tad bit better then HC especially when doing very low bit rate movies ranging from between 2200 - 2500 !!

With HC i always have had ALLOT more BLOCKs in demanding scenes unlike CCE, but cce might have more mosqito noise yes...

Watching HC encoded scenes was like watching Transcoding Scenes, but iam talking about very low bit rates (2000 - 2500) !!

That having said, you easily can camouflage the mosquito noise using filters in addition to cce which is harder to do with macro blocks in my experience !

Oh wel to each his own

take care dobs and the likesSorry, but I just can't agree with your assessment of HC... I do all my encodes with it now. Comparing it to a transcode??? C'mon that's ridiculous.

I'm still planning to implement support for SP3 -- but I can promise that this will be the last update I make for those clowns over at Custom Technology. It's not an insignificant update -- they've (again) changed everything. I'm not willing to commit to a timeline, though. BD Rebuilder has more priority to me.

[jdobbs]

It can be done on several ways. I will look what i can do. Maybe i write wrapper.

EDIT: i just quick look at CCE SP3 documentation and i didn't saw that support AVS as input, can SP3 open AVS, i can't try right now? that can be only problem here? Otherwise DVDRebulder can use any cmd encoder so one batch can be written easily.Yes, it can open and encode an AVS.

[Groucho2004]

To me CCE looked tad bit better then HC especially when doing very low bit rate movies ranging from between 2200 - 2500 !!

What???? What are you smoking? CCE is the worst when it comes to these low bitrates.
It is however excellent with high bitrates (~6-7 Mbps).

[shon3i]

Yes, it can open and encode an AVS.
Are you sure, i just tryed and it seems that only avi and qt are supported, when i try to load avs (like i did in SP2) i get error message, and file is not loaded.

Btw good side that they now use xml which should not be hard to make.

[jdobbs]

Are you sure, i just tryed and it seems that only avi and qt are supported, when i try to load avs (like i did in SP2) i get error message, and file is not loaded.

Btw good side that they now use xml which should not be hard to make.Hmmm... it's been a while since I've messed with it -- but I thought I'd tested it with an AVS. I'll test it.

[jdobbs]

Are you sure, i just tryed and it seems that only avi and qt are supported, when i try to load avs (like i did in SP2) i get error message, and file is not loaded.

Btw good side that they now use xml which should not be hard to make. Just type in "*.AVS" when the dialog comes up. It will list the AVS files. Then click on the one you want and it successfully opens.

[kolak]

SP3 support avs as an input.

Those clowns over at Custom Technology don't make their encoders for big audience.
SP3 is different than SP/SP2 in many aspects, but mainly improved quality and added real segment re-encoding. It uses new engine (available previously only on Xtream version) and it improves quality a lot comapared to SP/SP2 (but not for interlaced sources).

There is no other encoder, which can come close to SP3 for typical film source. CTC works mainly with Hollywood, some Japanese and German studios and that's why all thier products are tweaked for film sources.

They have no intrest at all to please doom9 users, because none of them buy their product.


Andrew

[jdobbs]

Just type in "*.AVS" when the dialog comes up. It will list the AVS files. Then click on the one you want and it successfully opens.Well... I got it to open one file earlier, but now it seems to be failing.

[kabster]

Sorry, but I just can't agree with your assessment of HC... I do all my encodes with it now. Comparing it to a transcode??? C'mon that's ridiculous.


Comparing it with transcode , wel yes ... Wots the first thing that you notice about an bad transcoded movie ?

Anoying PIXELS yes as in MaCRO blocks... so yes... i do have allot of those in high demanding scenes using HC...

Using BEST profile no less !? CCE have them too, but thanks to the many options + filters its as good as hardly vissible.
And watching the material on upscalled profile + HD shader and still its very good iam sorry but it is wot it is !


I'm still planning to implement support for SP3 --

Well, that sounds like music in my ears .. realy..

This descision might turn the tide and actually reward you with an buck or 2 through donations dobs :)

But i woud regret you based your decision solely on the amount of donations :(...


What???? What are you smoking? CCE is the worst when it comes to these low bitrates.
It is however excellent with high bitrates (~6-7 Mbps).

Rest asure dear Groucho, iam not on anything adictive which might cloud my judgement... REaLY.. iam noT.... honestly

Maybe bit overwheight is my only sin... but apart from that i have a healthy libido :p

[jdobbs]

This descision might turn the tide and actually reward you with an buck or 2 through donations dobs I can spot bullshit when I hear it. That train left the station a long time ago... anything I do for DVD Rebuilder is purely out of a "sense of pride" these days.

HC is a great encoder and (in my opinion) is easily as good as CCE ... I'm certain I've done more reencodes than pretty much anyone on this planet -- and while opinions are like anuses (everybody has one, and no one cares about anyone elses) -- I have to believe my personal experience over what anyone else says.

But... to each his/her own.

[jdobbs]

Are you sure, i just tryed and it seems that only avi and qt are supported, when i try to load avs (like i did in SP2) i get error message, and file is not loaded.

Btw good side that they now use xml which should not be hard to make.Ok... it works. You just have to make sure the AVS is feeding YUY2 to the encoder. I have an encode running now.

[Groucho2004]

apart from that i have a healthy libido :p

...and that's much more important than MPEG-2 encoding. :)

[shon3i]

Ok... it works. You just have to make sure the AVS is feeding YUY2 to the encoder. I have an encode running now.
Yep that is the key. Thanks. I will now try to automate process.

[kabster]

I can spot bullshit when I hear it. That train left the station a long time ago... anything I do for DVD Rebuilder is purely out of a "sense of pride" these days.



hahaha ... no seriously, iam glad you stayed at the doom station lol

consider yourself lucky not to be on that train that eventually derailed then hehe.



HC is a great encoder and (in my opinion) is easily as good as CCE ... I'm certain I've done more reencodes than pretty much anyone on this planet -- and while opinions are like anuses (everybody has one, and no one cares about anyone elses) -- I have to believe my personal experience over what anyone else says.


HC is INDEED very capable to do good encodes to my surprise yes.

But again, somehow CCE did a better jdob in my humble opinion!!

Also, i still remeber you always spoke highly about CCE in the past in several threads/post ..!?!

Why has you opinion changed regarding cce all of a sudden?

Do i detect a certain resentment towards the developers of CCE because of the way they progress with CCE?


cheers,

[kabster]

...and that's much more important than MPEG-2 encoding. :)

Well.... i woud say so .. YES. Many many passes over and over again untill completion... haha :p

[jdobbs]

hahaha ... no seriously, iam glad you stayed at the doom station lol

consider yourself lucky not to be on that train that eventually derailed then hehe.





HC is INDEED very capable to do good encodes to my surprise yes.

But again, somehow CCE did a better jdob in my humble opinion!!

Also, i still remeber you always spoke highly about CCE in the past in several threads/post ..!?!

Why has you opinion changed regarding cce all of a sudden?

Do i detect a certain resentment towards the developers of CCE because of the way they progress with CCE?


cheers,My opinion hasn't changed. At one point I believed CCE was the best MPEG-2 encoder on the planet. But it has stayed pretty much stagnant in terms of speed and quality (IMHO) while HC has continually improved with each version. I have nothing bad to say about CCE as an MPEG encoder (well, other than it is a little weak in its interlaced encoding).

My beef with CCE is that in order to support 4 different releases of CCE I've had to write 4 different driver routines -- and now I'll have to do a fifth. I've been a programmer for a long time, and that's a real sin in the software development world (its called configuration management and backward compatibility). For example -- I have software that was written for DOS in the 1980s that still works on my Windows 7 machine... say what you want about Microsoft, but they know the rules for support.

I can also say that the latest release of HC can still use the same configuration files I wrote for the first release.

Of course I'm sure CCE is raking in a lot more cash for their software than I'm getting in donations -- so who am I to lecture?

[shon3i]

Ok is not possible to do easy cmd wrapper, because is need more information than i think.

[Fishman0919]

Ok... it works. You just have to make sure the AVS is feeding YUY2 to the encoder. I have an encode running now.

CCE Sp3 support both YUY2 and YV12

Why am I not surprised?
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1423818#post1423818

Maybe Fishman0919 has something ready by now...:devil:

Cheers
manolito


Sorry, I have a working program but it was/is having issue setting for interlace correctly and would crash sometimes... now that I went back to school and time is tuff to find, it's incomplete. I may start it back up soon but with most of my backups being BluRay,,, making backups of DVD's kinda got pushed to the back burner. And most of the DVD's I make, I convert from BluRay away.