Blu Ray uptake

[rotty]

Uptake of Blu Ray is not being helped by the constant problem of having to update players when some new releases are produced.

Updating players is not a great big deal for any body reading this as most viewers of this forum are “tech savvy”

BUT

There are many non technical people and middle > older aged people that haven’t a clue how to update a player in order to play a new disk. Avatar being a good example.

More to the point, they shouldn’t have to be tech savvy, they should be able to buy a player and expect to be able to use it without hassle.

Blu Ray is shooting itself in the foot with this crazy hell bent attitude of copy protection and is totally missing out on the big picture.

This is putting people off this format.


Well that’s my rant over

[bob0r]

Yup, all the protection is putting off those people indeed.
Arrrr pirate always get what they want anyway.

Arrrrrrr! :devil:

[rotty]

Yup, all the protection is putting off those people indeed.
Arrrr pirate always get what they want anyway.

Arrrrrrr! :devil:

Yep your right, but as I understand it, pirate disks are made from camcorders in cinemas or telecine equip and NOT from original disks anyway.

[Dark Shikari]

Yep your right, but as I understand it, pirate disks are made from camcorders in cinemas or telecine equip and NOT from original disks anyway.Er... pirate Blu-ray disks are usually made from... Blu-rays.

[Gser]

Er... pirate Blu-ray disks are usually made from... Blu-rays.

so much for the forum being "tech savy". There are also tv , edtv, dvb-tv, web, hdtv, dvd and vhs rips out there.

[Dark Shikari]

so much for the forum being "tech savy". There are also tv , edtv, dvb-tv, web, hdtv, dvd and vhs rips out there.Sure, but where did anyone mention those? We were talking about Blu-rays.

[Doom9]

All of that is of course self-inflicted - nobody forced them to use the (pretty darned useless anyway) BD+. And they could've started with network enabled players from the getgo instead of the whole profile mess - give those players an easy to grasp mechanism to upgrade firmware and you have the whole firmware upgrade issue sorted as well - even for the non tech savy.

E.g. my WLAN music player once day started up telling me that a new firmware was available and if I wanted to upgrade. With the push of a single button the whole process was under way. Apply that to Blu-ray where the player starts, checks if a new firmware is available, and if so, tells you in easy terms that it's a good idea to upgrade (e.g. the necessary Avatar upgrades could be sold with the "you need to upgrade to play Avatar on Blu-ray" tag-line). That doesn't solve the issue that not everybody has Ethernet in their living room, but that's a problem we need to tackle anyway seeing as our traditional lines have become outdated years ago.

[rotty]

I don’t know if anybody can tell us as to how much approx (percentage) that adding these encryptions (useless at that as doom9 pointed out) add to the cost to us the disk buyer.

I know that some time back there was talk of a solution that you would need to be connected to the internet in order to play your disks. Although we live in a BIG BROTHER society already, I don’t think the public (me included) are ready to accept needing permission to play our disk collection from someone or something at the other end of the internet, apart from the inconvenience of having to be connected.

[casio7131]

i'm guessing that these updates wouldn't be necessary (or, at least, less frequent) if hddvd had won? (oh well, no use crying over spilt milk.)

[rotty]

i'm guessing that these updates wouldn't be necessary (or, at least, less frequent) if hddvd had won? (oh well, no use crying over spilt milk.)

Hi Casio

I reckon that’s what we were all thinking.

Don't know if disk space would have been an issue with the arrival of 3D etc.

Anyway, perhaps the penny will drop one day, being able to backup your disks is an attractive attribute and makes you buy into it, sales are massively helped but they just cant see that. The alternative does not stop piracy and is totally off putting.
WE ARE NOT PIRATES we just want common sense.

[forumjunkie]

theres always a rant going on about copy protection, it always gets broken anyway.

[rotty]

theres always a rant going on about copy protection, it always gets broken anyway.

Well yes that’s true but its the inconvenience of it and of course principal.

For example, WINDVD on my Sony cant play Avitar. We should not need to circumvent protection to play any disk.
Corel that produce the program cant give a date when it will be rectified.
This should NEVER happen.

[Ghitulescu]

I don’t know if anybody can tell us as to how much approx (percentage) that adding these encryptions (useless at that as doom9 pointed out) add to the cost to us the disk buyer.

Well, it depends.

If the encryption/protection is made by an external company, they ask for licensing, usually per disk, like CSS (some, like Macrovision, also per gear, I mean those that are implemented in the gear).

If the same is done internally (special dep't), then the costs are elevated from any product that company sells.

However, in a liberal market, if they ask "too much", they won't sell them, unless they lobby the gov't to pass laws forcing you to buy say 5000 BDs :rolleyes:

[forumjunkie]

Well yes that’s true but its the inconvenience of it and of course principal.

For example, WINDVD on my Sony cant play Avitar. We should not need to circumvent protection to play any disk.
Corel that produce the program cant give a date when it will be rectified.
This should NEVER happen.

And you never no maybe one day we wont be able to break protection.

[Ghitulescu]

Nope, as long as we can "see" (play), we can copy, one way or the other.