Blu-ray disc, MKB V17 ?

[hatetea58]

I heard that Blu-ray company has released new version of Blu-ray Disc with MKB V17 protection to prevent its Blu-ray discs from being decrypted. Does that mean we cant decrypt Blu-ray Discs any more?

[Peer van Heuen]

I heard that Blu-ray company has released new version of Blu-ray Disc with MKB V17 protection to prevent its Blu-ray discs from being decrypted. Does that mean we cant decrypt Blu-ray Discs any more?

MKB17 is handled by AnyDVD HD fine - and to my knowlege MakeMKV does it, too.

[LoRd_MuldeR]

MKB17 is handled by AnyDVD HD fine - and to my knowlege MakeMKV does it, too.

The same applies to DVDFab (according to their release notes).

[ron spencer]

it is interesting now that 3 programs can do this...I wonder if more will follow

[setarip_old]

@ron spencer

Hi!

I'm sure there are others working on such projects...

(Wasn't there an earlier thread about MKB17?)

[bob-flash]

it is interesting now that 3 programs can do this...I wonder if more will follow

According to google search, I got a list of programs which claimed cracks MKB v17 (not verified):

AnyDVD HD
MakeMKV
Pavtube
DVDFab

Any more?

[hatetea58]

There seems no more.

[hatetea58]

Anyone do some reviews? which is better?

[Wombler]

No,only the four programs support MKB v17


DVDFab Passkey will also handle this.


Wombler

[setarip_old]

Have there been any MKB17-encrypted BluRay releases yet?

I ask because both of this week's most significant releases ("Avatar" and "Crazy Heart") used MKB16...

[ron spencer]

No,only the four programs support MKB v17

I think PavTube is exceptional. $49 and it's permanent.

What does that mean...it's permanent?

[Peer van Heuen]

According to google search, I got a list of programs which claimed cracks MKB v17 (not verified):

AnyDVD HD
MakeMKV
Pavtube
DVDFab

Any more?

I ran a few tests out of curiosity, Pavtube seems to handle AACS below MKB12 (possibly including 12).
It can't handle 13, 14, 15, 16.
It may handle MKB17 (couldn't test at the time).

If I didn't make any mistakes myself, the announcement that it handles MKB17 is, while possibly true, pretty misleading and whoever buys it will feel a little let down.

[hatetea58]

if the blu-ray disc of mkb v17 is released and used widely, other mkb versions will disappear. MKB17 will recover other mkb versions, as it is said.

[setarip_old]

@hatetea58

if the blu-ray disc of mkb v17 is released and used widely, other mkb versions will disappear. What does this mean? What is the title of this "BluRay disc of MKB17"?

MKB17 will recover other mkb versionsWhat does this mean?

[dfraga]

Anyone do some reviews? which is better?

AnyDVD HD is the best of all. Not only AnyDVD HD did break BD+ first, but it also is on the bleeding edge regarding new protections. Of course DVDFab was faster recently decrypting Avatar, but it was an exception. At the next day, AnyDVD HD already could decrypt Avatar. And AnyDVD HD is cheaper too... (of course DVDFab is more complete and can compress blu-ray movies...). Anyway it will depend on what features you want/need.

[shawnyeung]

Anyone do some reviews? which is better?

DVDfab get the work done better on Bluray... in terms of DVD, either is ok! I remember the famous "How to geek" ever made a review of DVDfab6. but I never seen others were reviewed by them!

[mike20021969]

What does that mean...it's permanent?
Hmmm...
$49 for a lifetime license, includes all future updates at no extra cost.

[dirio49]

DVDfab get the work done better on Bluray... in terms of DVD, either is ok! I remember the famous "How to geek" ever made a review of DVDfab6. but I never seen others were reviewed by them!

AnyDVD and DVDfab (passkey) I think are about the same for both dvd and blue-ray.
The thing i don't like about dvdfab is that it requires internet access to open blue-rays, and makes it a little slower.

For DVD they are the same .

Later

[mike20021969]

The thing i don't like about dvdfab is that it requires internet access to open blue-rays, and makes it a little slower.


To an extent, so does AnyDVD - i.e. if it hasn't been updated to support a newer disc.
When DVDFab Passkey comes out of beta, no doubt it work in the same sorrta way as AnyDVD.

[dirio49]

To an extent, so does AnyDVD - i.e. if it hasn't been updated to support a newer disc.
When DVDFab Passkey comes out of beta, no doubt it work in the same sorrta way as AnyDVD.

Passkey is beta, but not dvdfab and they work the same.
Anydvd only need internet is you have a new dvd that is not in the anydvd database. Dvdpass key need it all the time :)

[hatetea58]

@hatetea58

What does this mean? What is the title of this "BluRay disc of MKB17"?

What does this mean?

I heard that mkb v17 will recover the licenses of other mkb versions such as 13,14,15,16. once mkb v17 disc is inserted into the player.

[setarip_old]

@hatetea58

Thank you for the explanation ;>}

[mike20021969]

Dvdpass key need it all the time

You're saying DVDFab Passkey (when out of beta) will ALWAYS need an internet connection, before it's able decrypt DVD or BluRay discs on the fly?

I honestly thought it'd work in a similar to AnyDVD.

[fengtao]

There are several reasons for which we have adopted a Internet based service, rather than decrypting the disc on user's computer.
1. Decryption is done once for a disc. All the other users that have the same disc will just receive the decrypted data from our servers rather than doing it again and again. For Internet connections that are getting faster and faster this is the fastest solution there can be!!
2. We also eliminate some cases when clients that are not updated could not open the disc, etc. So sometimes DVDFab without being updated can open new discs. That was the recent case with Avatar: when we added support for it on server... it simply worked for everyone :)
3. Protections get better and better because the people that design them can study the decrypters included in our competitors products, and counter attack. Our system is hidden on our servers so no counter measures can be made. Of course we are affected too by the evolution of the *game*, but at least there one less to "help" the protectors ;)
4. To help users even more, we plan to include decryption data in DVDFab so Internet connection will not be needed for some discs. We will publish a chart with BD+ generations and the conditions when an Internet connection will be needed. Considering the above, new discs will always need Internet connection.

[dfraga]

2. We also eliminate some cases when clients that are not updated could not open the disc, etc. So sometimes DVDFab without being updated can open new discs. That was the recent case with Avatar: when we added support for it on server... it simply worked for everyone :)


Fengtao, DVDFab can decrypt ALL versions of Avatar, including the brazilian one (RED_BIRD_2D_WW)? Or just the USA version?

3. Protections get better and better because the people that design them can study the decrypters included in our competitors products, and counter attack. Our system is hidden on our servers so no counter measures can be made. Of course we are affected too by the evolution of the *game*, but at least there one less to "help" the protectors ;)

Do you mean that the AnyDVD HD's database can be easily studied? I thought it was encrypted in some form... anyway, once DVDFab downloads the information to decrypt the disc, it can be traced on memory, no? Unless you do some kind of security scheme on the computer memory... :) I can't imagine a security system where someone really obstinate cannot break in. If you break BD+, why someone cannot "study" the decrypter on DVDFab since it will do all the decryption on the computer itself?

4. To help users even more, we plan to include decryption data in DVDFab so Internet connection will not be needed for some discs. We will publish a chart with BD+ generations and the conditions when an Internet connection will be needed. Considering the above, new discs will always need Internet connection.

Regarding internet connection, I think this discussion is not relevant. I mean, it's good that the software updates itself and it doesn't really matters if the database is on the server side or the client side. What is important is the work done! :)

[setarip_old]

it doesn't really matters if the database is on the server side or the client side.Unless, of course, the server becomes unavailable (for whatever reason). Then, if even an older, previously made backup copy is damaged, you wouldn't be able to make a new copy from your original, commercial disc...

[Guest]

Getting off topic, guys!

[iamlindoro]

I ran a few tests out of curiosity, Pavtube seems to handle AACS below MKB12 (possibly including 12).
It can't handle 13, 14, 15, 16.
It may handle MKB17 (couldn't test at the time).

If I didn't make any mistakes myself, the announcement that it handles MKB17 is, while possibly true, pretty misleading and whoever buys it will feel a little let down.

I wanted to reply to the threads with PavTube mentioned and share that the fly-by-night PavTube people are thieves. They are using open source code to run their product, and not sharing the code or the processing keys.

In short, their whole product is:

libbluray
libaacs
libbdplus
ffmpeg
and some other random open source decryption libraries

They don't provide any attribution and don't share any of the source as required by the licenses of these projects. Moveover, they are not sharing the Processing Keys. So they are using open source code to do all the work, and keeping the processing keys on a server somewhere to prevent anyone else using them properly with the source that they themselves have stolen.

If you'd like to see, run "strings" on the shared libraries included in their software. You'll see all the telltale signs of libaacs, libbluray, libdplus, ffmpeg, and a bunch of others.

Classy.