Ogg Vorbis & Nero

[nakTT]

With the latest release of Ogg Vorbis, I heard that it is almost as good as Nero AAC (if not better) at lower bitrate (64kbps, 48kbps and below). Is it true? As I plan to move to Ogg Vorbis for my encoding if it is in fact true.

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[nibus]

Ogg has always sounded better at lower bitrates to my ear, but I've stuck with AAC just because of better device support.

[nakTT]

Ogg has always sounded better at lower bitrates to my ear, but I've stuck with AAC just because of better device support.
Thanks for sharing your experience. By the way, does that includes 32kbps ogg?

[IgorC]

The results of public tests (group of ~20-30-60 persons)
http://listeningtests.t35.com/

32 kbps:
http://listeningtests.t35.com/html/32kbps_public_listening_test_results_files/plot1800.png

48 kbps:
http://listeningtests.t35.com/mf-48-1/results.png

64 kbps:
http://listeningtests.t35.com/mf-64-1/results.png

[nibus]

Thanks for sharing your experience. By the way, does that includes 32kbps ogg?

Not quite that low - I typically used it at about 64kbps ABR - when encoding movies for my PDA. ;) When I did a small shootout nothing touched it at that bitrate (at the time - probably about 2 years ago.)

[nakTT]

The results of public tests (group of ~20-30-60 persons)
http://listeningtests.t35.com/
Thanks , IgorC for the info.

Been looking for 32kbps and 48kbps test result involving later version of OggVorbis (at least aoTuV b5.7). Any idea where can I find one? Thank you in advance.

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[nakTT]

Not quite that low - I typically used it at about 64kbps ABR - when encoding movies for my PDA. ;) When I did a small shootout nothing touched it at that bitrate (at the time - probably about 2 years ago.)
Thanks again for sharing your experience. 64kbps is good for me too. But some oldies CD in my country (the distributor convert it from tape to CD) have audio quality not worth even for 48kbps. That is why I plan to use 32kbps instead.

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[IgorC]

Thanks , IgorC for the info.

Been looking for 32kbps and 48kbps test result involving later version of OggVorbis (at least aoTuV b5.7). Any idea where can I find one? Thank you in advance.

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Both AAC and Vorbis have evolved last few years. In my opinion Apple HE-AAC evolves much better. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=152311

At bitrates lower than 70-75 kbps even the newest aotuv post-b5.7 can't stand against latest Apple and Nero HE-AAC encoders.
http://www.geocities.jp/aoyoume/aotuv/test.html

[nakTT]

Both AAC and Vorbis have evolved last few years. In my opinion Apple HE-AAC evolves much better. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=152311

At bitrates lower than 70-75 kbps even the newest aotuv post-b5.7 can't stand against latest Apple and Nero HE-AAC encoders.
http://www.geocities.jp/aoyoume/aotuv/test.html
Thanks for the info.

BTW, do you know which GUI can support latest aoTuV r454? I have been trying to use it for a while now, but can't find any GUI that can support it.

[IgorC]

http://www.foobar2000.org/

[nakTT]

http://www.foobar2000.org/
Previously I have tried to use foobar but cant figure out how to encode using it. Only managed to use for playback. Please advice.

Thank you in advance.

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[IgorC]

I hope it will help you
http://www.foobar2000.org/FAQ#converting_audio_files_to_different_file_formats

[nakTT]

I hope it will help you
http://www.foobar2000.org/FAQ#converting_audio_files_to_different_file_formats
No wonder I can't find the converter option. It need to be explicitly installed. Thanks IgorC.

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[nakTT]

Both AAC and Vorbis have evolved last few years. In my opinion Apple HE-AAC evolves much better. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=152311

At bitrates lower than 70-75 kbps even the newest aotuv post-b5.7 can't stand against latest Apple and Nero HE-AAC encoders.
http://www.geocities.jp/aoyoume/aotuv/test.html
May I know what did you put in the "parameter" section of the foobar for the "New Preset" so that the aotuv post-b5.7 can run? Thank you.

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[tebasuna51]

-b 70 -o %d -

Instead '-b 70' Kb/s you can use other bitrate or -q [-2..10] and other oggenc parameters.
'-o %d' (the output filename %d is replaced by Foobar2000)
'-' (the audio data to encode is send with STDOUT -> STDIN method)

[nakTT]

-b 70 -o %d -

Instead '-b 70' Kb/s you can use other bitrate or -q [-2..10] and other oggenc parameters.
'-o %d' (the output filename %d is replaced by Foobar2000)
'-' (the audio data to encode is send with STDOUT -> STDIN method)
For unknown reason, I just didn't work with aotuv post-b5.7. Any idea why? The aotuv post-b5.7 only support -q = -2, -1 and 0 But I have tried all of them but still didn't work. It works like a charm (with help from Lord Mulder, of course) using command line, but not with foo.

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[tebasuna51]

Sorry, seems you use venc.exe encoder (aoTuV [20100314] (r454) (http://www.geocities.jp/aoyoume/aotuv/test_version/aotuv_20100314.zip)) with different parameters than standard oggenc:
aoTuV Post Beta 5.7 - OggVorbis Encoder (c)2003-2010 Aoyumi

usage: venc [options] InputFileName [OutputFileName]

InputFileName is "input wav file name" or "-"(standard input)

[options] <general> (There are exclusive relations)
-qVALUE This value sets audio quality-level. It is between
-2 (low quality) and 10 (high quality). [VBR mode]
-bVALUE This value sets tagets bitrate (in kbits). [ABR mode]
...
for me work with:
-q0 - %d
with this last version seems the quality range is until 10, not until 0.

[nakTT]

Sorry, seems you use venc.exe encoder (aoTuV [20100314] (r454) (http://www.geocities.jp/aoyoume/aotuv/test_version/aotuv_20100314.zip)) with different parameters than standard oggenc:
aoTuV Post Beta 5.7 - OggVorbis Encoder (c)2003-2010 Aoyumi

usage: venc [options] InputFileName [OutputFileName]

InputFileName is "input wav file name" or "-"(standard input)

[options] <general> (There are exclusive relations)
-qVALUE This value sets audio quality-level. It is between
-2 (low quality) and 10 (high quality). [VBR mode]
-bVALUE This value sets tagets bitrate (in kbits). [ABR mode]
...
for me work with:
-q0 - %d
with this last version seems the quality range is until 10, not until 0.
Many thanks for the parameter, I will give it a try.

As for the quality setting, its until 0, that is what aoyoume said. No matter how high you go, it will be capped to 0.

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Update: Still not working. Here is the error. Any idea how to avoid the error?
1 out of 1 tracks converted with major problems.

Source: "C:\Users\Aku\Desktop\Lagu\BPR - Aku Hanya Serangga (Unplugged).mp3"
An error occurred while writing to file (The encoder has terminated prematurely with code 1 (0x00000001); please re-check parameters) : "C:\Users\Aku\Desktop\BPR - Aku Hanya Serangga (Unplugged).ogg"
Additional information:
Encoder stream format: 44100Hz / 2ch / 32bps
Command line: "C:\Program Files (x86)\foobar2000\codec\venc.exe" -q-1 - "BPR - Aku Hanya Serangga (Unplugged).ogg"
Working folder: C:\Users\Aku\Desktop\

Conversion failed: The encoder has terminated prematurely with code 1 (0x00000001); please re-check parameters

[tebasuna51]

Works for me.
Seems the same problem related here http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=79762&view=findpost&p=700907
Maybe a Foobar2000 last version issue.

Try with a temporal file:

-q0 %s %d

[IgorC]

After closer look at last test version of Aotuv I should get my words back on statements about quality AAC vs Vorbis at low bitrates.