Blu-ray authoring at 24p, but the software asks NTSC or PAL?!

[eddman]

I'm trying to make a blu-ray disc with TMPGEnc Authoring Works 4. The source file is 24p, so I want the disc to be at 24p too. At the beginning of the process, the software asks if I want NTSC or PAL, but I don't want either of them, because the first one is 30 frames and the other 25 frames.

How can I create a 24p blu-ray?

Sorry for the primitive questions. I'm totally new to these stuff and also english isn't my first language.

[Ghitulescu]

Try NTSC, if not then read their forum http://bbs.tmpg-inc.com/bbs.php?board=en_taw4&page=4&tcnt=377 or ask Pegasys for support.

If still not, then use multiAVCHD.

[eddman]

OK, I found out that it's possible to specify the desired frame rate for the resulting blu-ray; The options are 23.976, 24 and 29.97. Now I'm even more confused. Why it asks me to select NTSC or PAL at the first step, While allows to select and change the frame rate later? How could an NTSC blu-ray be at 23.976 or 24 frames?

[hatetea58]

which region do you belong to? and your player supports NTSC OR PAL? different frames are uses in different region.

[eddman]

Region doesn't matter in my case, because I want a blu-ray with 24p output. In TMPGEnc Authoring Works 4 you have to select PAL or NTSC in the first step, you have no other choice, but later you can change the frame rate.

Now what I don't get is this; How could an NTSC or PAL blu-ray be at 23.976 or 24 frames? Will it be played at 24 frames or at NTSC's or PAL's frame rate? It's confusing.

[Ghitulescu]

There's no such PAL or NTSC BluRay, because PAL and NTSC (and SECAM) refer back to SDTV (ok, BD can contain SDTV material, which is PAL or NTSC). Probably a bug in software or a false start.

[eddman]

http://loaded.ws/img/original/13-11-09/TMPGEnc-Authoring-Works-4.0.7.32-870019-1.jpg

This is the first step. I don't think it's a bug

[Midzuki]

http://loaded.ws/img/original/13-11-09/TMPGEnc-Authoring-Works-4.0.7.32-870019-1.jpg

This is the first step. I don't think it's a bug

That looks like a "wizard".

And "wizards" are evil. :)

[Ghitulescu]

You see, TDW 4 is not for advanced people, but for regular Joe. Also the authors (of all consumer 1click software) assume that you have the videos from a camcorder or a photocamera or the like, and these are usually false advertised as PAL or NTSC HDTV, according to the country of destination (you know, Europe is PAL, USA/Japan is NTSC). 24p camcorders are extremely rare, most of them are 50i or 60i (also most 24p camcorders store the 24p as 60i). So when TDW asks you for NTSC or PAL is because its authors simply cut the thinking very short.

23.976p is DF, 24p is NDF. To edit them you either need a dumb editor (a plain cutter, like tsremux & co) or a very smart one (adobe, edius etc.).

Use multiAVCHD and live happy ;)

[hatetea58]

as far as i know, 23.97 frame is always used in North America

[Ghitulescu]

as far as i know, 23.97 frame is always used in North America

As what? VCD, BD, SAT or camcorder?
It's not in Cinemas, DVDs, TVs of any kind (unless feed by a BD, and even then only if 24p-compatible) ....

[SomeJoe]

As what? VCD, BD, SAT or camcorder?
It's not in Cinemas, DVDs, TVs of any kind (unless feed by a BD, and even then only if 24p-compatible) ....


All content for use on TV's sold in the US is 29.97 (30/1.001) or 23.976 (24/1.001). This includes Satellite, NTSC broadcast, ATSC broadcast, cable TV, VHS, DVD, and BD. The only place in the US where 24.000 is used is in the cinema from the projector.

23.976p is DF, 24p is NDF.

No, do not confuse drop frame and non-drop frame with frame rate.

Non-drop frame and drop frame refer to the way timecodes are constructed. They have no dependency with the frame rate. You can apply a non-drop frame or a drop frame timecode to 29.97 material. There is no standard for DF timecode applied to 23.976 material, even though there are some proposed schemes, it is most often always labeled with NDF timecodes. 24.000 and 30.000 material do not have DF or NDF timecodes, they only have one straightforward timecode.

[geminigod]

There is so much wrong information here, I feel obligated to warn people to disregard this thread, even though it is an old thread. The simple answer Eddman hopefully figured out long ago is that his program probably doesn't support the blu-ray format, which involves extremely different containers, menus, and video & audio compression formats than does DVD (in which NTSC and PAL becomes relevant). If your program supports blu-ray format, it will pretty explicitly say as much. (though this doesn't mean you couldn't use a blu-ray disc to burn a DVD format onto! But that would be pretty silly. Just use a double layer DVD with the content optimized for the 8.5 GB disc and it will look swell by most people's standards, or track down better software for blu-ray support. Many free options online.)

[setarip_old]

@geminigod

Hi!

I believe that if you click on the the following link, you'll find that your post, one year after the fact, is based on a false premise that: The simple answer Eddman hopefully figured out long ago is that his program probably doesn't support the blu-ray format

http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/taw4.html

Whether you’re young or old, beginner or professional, TMPGEnc Authoring Works 4 is the easy way to author your own DVDs, Blu-ray Discs, and DivX® ULTRA video

[MickJT]

(forgive grammar. Typing on phone). I've used tmpgenc authoring works to author bdmv and it works fine. It does not support AVC natively and converts it to mpeg-2. That's its only downside. Pegasys inc. have an x264 license and I expect them to include AVC support in authoring works soon, if they haven't already.