Are new versions of BD+ still being released?

[kurkosdr]

Hi,

Did this nonsense of every new major Bluray release having a new version of BD+ end, or they still make new versions of BD+ every now and then?

I am thinking of getting a Bluray player, but if it means running firmware updates eveytime I want to enjoy a new rented movie, thanks but no thanks.

(Sorry if this thing has been answered, I didn't found anything relevant)


PS: Is there a timeline or something like that where I can see when each version of BD+ was released?

[nurbs]

As I understand it there is only one version of BD+, but not all the features were used and the ripping software could only reverse engineer the features that were in use at a given time. All certified players should work with any Blu-Ray without updates, but what they should do and the reality of the situation may be different.

[kurkosdr]

As I understand it there is only one version of BD+, but not all the features were used and the ripping software could only reverse engineer the features that were in use at a given time. All certified players should work with any Blu-Ray without updates, but what they should do and the reality of the situation may be different.

Although I am no expert, there was an era (sometime around slamdog millionare was released), were a bluray player needed an upgrade everytime a major release rolled out, in order to play it normally.

Since all players are made under a license from the Bluray Disc Assosiation, their implementation of BD+ should be perfect, so no updates would be neccessary. I even recall the playstation 3 needing updates, which is made by Sony, so this should have a 100% perfect BD+ virtual machine.

Again, I don't think it's only the code that changes in BD+. I think the BD+ virtual machine might have changed a couple of times too.

Anyway, the basic question is: Do bluray players need updates nowadays? If I am going to exhange my PC with a dumb standlone machine, then it better be working without updates.

[HWK]

Generally Bd+ is updated everytime new movie come out. However at time they also change BD+ code completely.

Day after tomorrow and recent fox release will have total different code for BD+ beside correction sectors. Which are always different for each movie.

In other words it is cat and mouse game as well. If you look at bd disc cover you may see that you might require to upgrade firmware of drive.

In many cases same movie in different region have different version of BD+ on disc as well.

In short blu-ray player will always need update.

[foxyshadis]

BD+ didn't exist when Bluray came out, it was still being finished. But it was extremely lame how many virtual machine updates it took to fix the buggy and easily cracked first implementations, until they just seemed to give up.

[HWK]

It did exist but it wasn't used. Know Fox and Paramount both uses BD+ on their title.

On a side note Blu-ray has started process of having structural protection as well. It will take time to become mainstream.

I already ran across two blu-ray disc which contain structural protection.

[kurkosdr]

That's really lame. Most people, when they buy a bluray player, they expect it to be able to play any bluray disc. And this is the way it should be. When something is called a "standard", it should be just that. There shouldn't be new versions of the standard coming out every now and then. And yes, I am deeply convinved that new versions of the BD+ virtual machine get released every now and then. Otherwise the ps3 wouldn't need updates.

Just imagine if your satellite company (the ones with the paid channels) changed their encryption standard every week and demanded you to change your receiver. They just don't do it. They bite the bullet and accept that some piracy may occur (at least here in europe, where they can't upgrade us over the air).

I am not going to buy a bluray player, if that means I will have to burn CD-Rs with firmware updates (creating heaps of garbage) or drag the Bluray player from the living room to the internet rooter to get it updated via ethernet.

As you say, Bluray is a still far from mainstream acceptance. Unless the geniusses at BDA decide to finalize the standard and stop this ridiculous cat and mouse game, Bluray will be for videophiles only. The funny thing is that if they don't decide it on time, mkv is going to come and wipe them out of existense.

[setarip_old]

@HWK
Hi!I already ran across two blu-ray disc which contain structural protection.

1) What are the titles and regions of these two commercial BluRay discs?

2) What is the nature of the structural protection?

[HWK]

@HWK
Hi!

1) What are the titles and regions of these two commercial BluRay discs?

2) What is the nature of the structural protection?

Disc title is Bandslam - High School Band (Italian)

When view copied iso made from disc. it recognize four of the twelve chapters it is divided on, the others are with no sounds and shows a warning screen saying that 'this disk is not original...'

On original disc this doesn't happen.

Slysoft identify this kind of copy protection as a structural protection. I have the disc that why I am saying I have run across them.

For second disc it is still unclear to me if it is structural protection or something else. That why I can't say for sure if it is structural protection. Also I haven't uploaded slysoft for anaylze.

[dirio49]

did slysoft fix the structural protection on the first dvd?

[setarip_old]

@HWKFor second disc it is still unclear to me if it is structural protection or something else.What is the title and region of this second original BluRay disc?

I'm just wondering if there is any actual "structural protection" or, perhaps, we're seeing the first use of MKB v17...

[Guest]

[all clear on rule 6 after clarification, respond at will]

[ron spencer]

found in slysoft forum:

There hasn't been a new version of BD+ for over a year. There have been only four known versions of BD+. The last version took Slysoft a little over a month to crack.

[setarip_old]

@kurkosdr

Hi!

The nature of your question (focussed exclusively on "BD+") seems to indicate that you are not aware of the periodic updates of a more basic/important key regarding the primary AACS protection, regardless of studio - which is presently up to MKB16.

Although Paramount recently signed on to be able to use BD+, as far as I know, they have yet to do so. Therefore, presently, only Fox releases (and only SOME of those Fox releases) carry BD+.