Sync and Speed Bad

[Slvrngrn]

Hello all. I have this recurring problem. It doesn't happen often, but every now and then I will get a disk that won't convert properly. I currently have two giving me this problem (Ong Bak 2 and Julie and Julia). The problem is two-fold...

First, the video will change speeds. One scene will lag a bit, and then next will look like it's at 1.5x speed. However, the majority of the film seems to be at the right speed.

Second, the audio will be out of sync... badly. Ong Bak 2 seems to be out about 44 seconds, while Julie and Julia appears to be out by over 90 seconds. It's hard to tell exactly since the video playback is not at a constant rate. I know how to correct audio sync using VirtualDub, and I mention this only because whenever the video problem happens happens, the audio goes whacky, too.

I can't help but think there must be some setting known to most that I am not using properly. You may have enough info to answer my question now but I'll tack on some extra stuff just in case it's relevant.

This problem happens on my Vista and Windows 7 computers (haven't run it on any XP platforms).

Using DVD Decrypter 3.5.4.0 (have also tried ripping with DVD Fab 6 and RipIt4Me)

Using AutoGK 2.55

Thanks everyone ;)

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[Slvrngrn]

I'm baffled here... no ideas from out there?

[manono]

How are you decrypting the DVDs to the hard drive? And are you decrypting the entire DVD or just the movie? And post the log for one of these failed encodes.

[Slvrngrn]

I rip directly to the hard drive into a unique folder, and I am ripping only the main movie. I will have to re-rip and encode, will post log later today.

Thanks for getting back to me.:thanks:

[Slvrngrn]

[18-Feb-10 13:54:54] Started encoding.
[18-Feb-10 13:54:54] Demuxing and indexing.
[18-Feb-10 13:56:20] Processing file: C:\Users\Master Bedroom\Videos\Movies\Rips\Ong Bak 2\VTS_01_PGC_01_1.VOB
[18-Feb-10 13:56:20] Processing file: C:\Users\Master Bedroom\Videos\Movies\Rips\Ong Bak 2\VTS_01_PGC_01_2.VOB
[18-Feb-10 13:56:20] Processing file: C:\Users\Master Bedroom\Videos\Movies\Rips\Ong Bak 2\VTS_01_PGC_01_3.VOB
[18-Feb-10 13:56:20] Processing file: C:\Users\Master Bedroom\Videos\Movies\Rips\Ong Bak 2\VTS_01_PGC_01_4.VOB
[18-Feb-10 13:56:20] Processing file: C:\Users\Master Bedroom\Videos\Movies\Rips\Ong Bak 2\VTS_01_PGC_01_5.VOB
[18-Feb-10 13:56:20] Source resolution: 720x480
[18-Feb-10 13:56:20] Found NTSC source.
[18-Feb-10 13:56:20] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[18-Feb-10 13:56:20] Analyzing source.
[18-Feb-10 14:00:24] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 37.88
[18-Feb-10 14:00:24] Source has percentage of telecined patterns: 56.01
[18-Feb-10 14:00:24] Source has percentage of progressive patterns: 11.96
[18-Feb-10 14:00:24] Source has percentage of interlaced patterns: 32.03
[18-Feb-10 14:00:24] Source is considered to be hybrid (mostly FILM).
[18-Feb-10 14:00:24] Looking for optimal hybrid thresholds.
[18-Feb-10 14:01:12] Source seems to be pure FILM.
[18-Feb-10 14:01:12] Output will contain 139385 frames
[18-Feb-10 14:01:12] Using VAQ in XviD
[18-Feb-10 14:01:12] Audio1 size: 325,558,016 bytes (310.48 Mb)
[18-Feb-10 14:01:12] Overhead: 968,960 bytes (0.92 Mb)
[18-Feb-10 14:01:12] Video size: 690,591,744 bytes (658.60 Mb)
[18-Feb-10 14:01:12] Running compressibility test.
[18-Feb-10 14:01:12] Writing the following script to C:\Users\Master Bedroom\Videos\Movies\agk_tmp\Ong Bak 2_comptest.avs
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LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE3.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("C:\Users\Master Bedroom\Videos\Movies\agk_tmp\Ong Bak 2.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 1.18518518518519
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 704
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=0)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
SelectRangeEvery(300,15)
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[18-Feb-10 14:07:10] Duration was: 5 minutes 58 seconds
[18-Feb-10 14:07:10] Speed was: 19.46 fps.
[18-Feb-10 14:07:10] Compressibility percentage is: 32.01
[18-Feb-10 14:07:10] Using softer matrix.
[18-Feb-10 14:07:10] Chosen resolution is: 608x272 ( AR: 2.24 )
[18-Feb-10 14:07:10] Predicted comptest value is: 55.15%
[18-Feb-10 14:07:10] Running first pass.
[18-Feb-10 14:07:10] Writing the following script to C:\Users\Master Bedroom\Videos\Movies\agk_tmp\Ong Bak 2_movie.avs
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LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE3.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("C:\Users\Master Bedroom\Videos\Movies\agk_tmp\Ong Bak 2.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 1.18518518518519
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 608
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=0)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
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[18-Feb-10 14:59:18] Duration was: 52 minutes 7 seconds
[18-Feb-10 14:59:18] Speed was: 44.57 fps.
[18-Feb-10 14:59:18] Expected quality of first pass size: 50.40%
[18-Feb-10 14:59:18] Running second pass.
[18-Feb-10 16:08:50] Duration was: 1 hour, 9 minutes 32 seconds
[18-Feb-10 16:08:50] Speed was: 33.41 fps.
[18-Feb-10 16:08:50] Job finished. Total time: 2 hours 13 minutes 56 seconds

[manono]

Thanks. Part of the decrypting question was about what software was used? I apologize if I was unclear. For example, DVD Decrypter wouldn't be the preferred choice for newer movies on DVD, such as the two you named.

[Slvrngrn]

Oh, sorry about that.

Actually, I am using DVD Decrypter 3.5.4.0 but have also tried ripping with DVD Fab 6 and RipIt4Me. If you have a recommendation for different ripping software I am all ears. :)

Thanks again, especially for your patience and kindness (two things that are often ignored on forums).

[manono]

DVDFab HD Decrypter would be the decrypter of choice for those 2, but because they want you to pay for it these days they're slower to update it than they used to be. This might be more problematic for Ong Bak 2 than for the other one. What I would suggest is using the most recent version of DVDFab HD Decrypter followed by running the VOBs for the movie through FixVTS:

http://www.videohelp.com/tools/DVDFab_Decrypter
http://www.videohelp.com/tools/FixVTS

Then run the result through AutoGK. If they still aren't in synch afterwards, adjust the delay in VDubMod. Sometimes it's easier to just fix the synch than it is to keep trying different things to get it in synch in the first place. Come back if you need instructions on how to fix a constant asynch (as opposed to a progressive asynch, where it gets worse as the movie goes along).

I don't work with the most recent movies on DVD myself, so maybe someone that has converted one or the other of them to AVI can chime in. Or perhaps our resident expert on encryption schemes and how to defeat them, setarip_old, will see this thread and offer a suggestion or two.

I have no idea why the video playback speed changes from normal to fast. I've never heard of that particular problem. You haven't by chance installed any codec packs on your computers, have you? What software players are you using for AVI playback? Maybe try a different one. I use Media Player Classic Home Cinema. There's even a brand new version just out:

http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Media_Player_Classic_Home_Cinema

[Slvrngrn]

manono you rule!

You can laugh if you want but I did not even realize that DVDFab would actually create the avi for me. You pushed me in the right direction leading me to discovering that nifty little feature. I just successfully converted Ong Bak 2, allowing me to put the original away (and out of the reach of destructive little hands).

I'm going to try Julie and Julia, next. Thanks a million. I wish I could rate you up... or buy you a steak dinner.

:) :) :) :) :)

Thanks for the other info, too. I will be looking at all of the resources you talked about.

By the way, I have CCCP loaded. As far as I know this is the only Codec library I have. Is this OK?

[manono]

It's usually suggested not to install any codec packs, that they can sometimes mess up your system in unforseen ways, like maybe the kinds of things you're experiencing. However, from what I've read CCCP is OK, but as that subject isn't my speciality I'm not really qualified to comment. The only things I have installed are the codecs included with Gordian Knot/AutoGK, ffdshow, and a few other odds and ends installed separately. A good player like Media Player Classic comes with anything you might need to play just about anything.

Hehe, I wasn't really suggesting that you encode to AVI using DVDFab, but if that works for you to solve your problems, then so much the better. I'll take all the credit. :)

[Slvrngrn]

It's usually suggested not to install any codec packs

I may try uninstalling CCCP and seeing what that gives me. If I remember correctly I installed it a while back trying to correct another problem and if I'm not mistaken it didn't fix my issue, but I never removed it.

It's probably not hurting anything, but it's just one more thing that COULD cause problems.

Julie and Julia converted beautifully. Yet another disk that now has a chance to survive in my house. Thanks again for the help.:thanks:

[Slvrngrn]

OK, my obsessive-compulsive nature lead to this follow-up...

I wanted to see why I was having problems with Julie and Julia and Ong Bak 2. I removed CCCP from the computer, and I used DVDFab (I was originally using DVD Decrypter) to rip the films, but then tried to convert them using AutoGK, rather than just doing the whole process in DVDFab. The result was that Julie and Julia came out perfectly. None of the video speed changes I had originally and the audio was in perfect sync. Also, over all quality of the AutoGK version was slightly better than using DVDFab for the whole process.

Ong Bak 2, on the other hand, had exactly the same problems as before. I also tried running the ripped files through Fix VTS, but this did not help either. And, despite the fact that DVDFab was able to completely convert it to a playable avi for me, when I played it on my entertainment system the quality (on my HDTV) is less than spectacular. I wouldn't even call it VHS quality.

Is it possible that the problem is due to a region setting? The DVD case says "ALL". I realize the issue is minor, but I would really like to improve the quality, especially if I encounter another "problem" disk in the future.

Ideas? :confused:

[manono]

Ong Bak 2 was released after the most recent version of DVDFab HD Decrypter. It's possible that Ong Bak 2 has a new variation of encryption that DVDFab doesn't entirely defeat yet. As I suggested before, it might be easier to just fix the delay.

[Slvrngrn]

In the usable but low quality rip there is no delay issue. Whenever there is a delay issue it is accompanied by the video playback speed inconsistency. I guess I'll wait for the next DVDFab.

Honestly, although I purchased Ong Bak 2 at a store in one of our local malls, I am starting to wonder if it's a "legitimate" original.

OK, waiting for the next DVDFab... :(