3:2 pulldown on 29.970i Anime + addtional AVS script configuration

[TheProfosist]

i have 29.970i content and am using DGinedexNV from the information that it displays i have come to the conclusion that i should reverse the pulldown and make the 29.970i into 23.976p. but when i use the fieldop=1 option the file still has horizontal bars during motion scenes. what does this mean? and what can i do correct it?

sample clip http://www.mediafire.com/file/tomda12myjh/VTS_01_1.VOB



It's not pure 3:2. Apparently my Film % indication for MPEG2 is broken. I will fix that.

You cannot use fieldop=1 for this

If you re-download Build 2004 right now that version has the fix for film percent and you'll see that it is 28% film.

You should use fieldop=0 and then:

telecide()
decimate()

Or some other adaptive IVTC of your choice. Be sure to get the field order correct.


i am now using :
fieldop=0
TFM()
TDecimate(mode=1,hybrid=1)

but am still having artifacts or something...
screenshot
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2504/capture01212010235759.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/capture01212010235759.jpg/)





once this is all worked out which is most important i would like help tuning FFT3dGPU and GPUBilaterial

i previously used FFT3dGPU(sigma=4,sharpen=1.0,plane=4,precision=2,degrid=1.0) and it created a large amout of blocking in the final encode

and im currently using BilateralFilter(1,9,3.0) but i dont know much on its configuration so there may be room for improvement



Thanks in advance for the help,
TheProfosist

(if i did anything wrong please tell me and i will change right away)

[Guest]

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[TheProfosist]

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image should be fixed i swited to imageshack

[Guest]

Did you try my script? My IVTC is more idiot proof. tritical's tools need more experience.

[TheProfosist]

Did you try my script? My IVTC is more idiot proof. tritical's tools need more experience.

ends up the same way except the colors are slightly (very slightly only when it changes youll notice) different.

also i have used TDeint before and could figure that out fairly well but that was because i understood intelace. i dont understand this 3:2 pulldown nearly as much

[TheProfosist]

any ideas anyone?

[Guest]

ends up the same way Nonsense. Your screenshot shows a blended frame that does not occur with telecide()/decimate().

[TheProfosist]

Nonsense. Your screenshot shows a blended frame that does not occur with telecide()/decimate().

umm just retried it and ur right that doesnt happen. where can i get the latest version of that because right now i just have the one that MeGUI installed i prefer to have the most updates files

i woner why that happened with TIVTC

[TheProfosist]

am i not supposed to resize in DGDecode if i use fieldop=0 because i did trial and error and found that that was causing it

[TheProfosist]

am i not supposed to resize in DGDecode if i use fieldop=0 because i did trial and error and found that that was causing it

by testing i found that this scrip would work and resize has to be done after reverse pulldown

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files (x86)\megui\tools\dgindexnv\DGDecodeNV.dll")
DGSource("C:\TEMP\Lain\07 - Cvt Vid\01.track_224-002_Track1.dgi",fieldop=0)
TFM()
TDecimate(mode=1,hybrid=1)
Lanczos4Resize(616,480)

[TheProfosist]

is there anyway to GPU resize after i go through all that or no? because the more things i can offload to GPU the fatser things have been going

[Guest]

am i not supposed to resize in DGDecode if i use fieldop=0 because i did trial and error and found that that was causing it If you resize combed content (in this case hard telecine) as if it is progressive you will get a mess.

When you do external IVTC you have to resize after the IVTC process.

[TheProfosist]

just re-wrote my script to do that just wish i could resize using gpu like in you script/program but after external IVTC

[Guest]

just re-wrote my script to do that just wish i could resize using gpu like in you script/program but after external IVTC Yeah, and I wish I had a billion $. It's not going to happen.

[TheProfosist]

Yeah, and I wish I had a billion $. It's not going to happen.

hey i was just saying. must be hard to write avs plugins then especially ones that work witrh cuda/gpu

[Guest]

I'll talk to Nvidia again about extending PureVideo IVTC to the video postprocessing. Currently it's not exposed in CUVID so there's nothing I can do about that. Well, short of going to DirectShow or its most recent evil spawn.

Anyway, the CUVID resize is simple bilinear and so it's very easy to persuade oneself that resizing in Avisynth is preferable.

[TheProfosist]

i agree i either use lancoz4 for spline64 for anime i think im edging more towards the spline64 because it sharpens without the ringing or haloing though its not as sharp as lancoz4

[InsulinJunkie]

I'll talk to Nvidia again about extending PureVideo IVTC to the video postprocessing.

Please do - would be most useful for OTA captures after commercials get chopped out.

The frustrating thing is knowing that it's there already (so it's not asking them to create a new feature from scratch), it's just not available.

[TheProfosist]

once i finish up an episoide of would you be willing to check it out to see if anything was done wrong or could be done better?

[Guest]

Go ahead. Just give the unprocessed source material and your process, including script, etc.

[TheProfosist]

ok was almost going to do that but
just ran into a few more errors on lain

this is the first:
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2803/laincredisissue.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/laincredisissue.jpg/)
it is in the end credits. i know for a fact that sometime they use 29.970i when they add the credits in on anime for r1 releases would that have caused this? also any ideas of how to fix it?


the second:
which i noticed later happens during the transition to the end credits
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2019/lainendcreditstransitio.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/lainendcreditstransitio.jpg/)
i have no clue what could have caused this or any idea of how to fix it
*just found that this is actually on the original as well so may not be fixable/there is nothing to fix

current avs script
DGSource("C:\TEMP\Lain\07 - Cvt Vid\01.track_224-002_Track1.dgi",fieldop=0)

TFM()
TDecimate(mode=1,hybrid=1)

FFT3dGPU()
BilateralFilter(1,9,3.0)

Spline64resize(616,480)

[Guest]

I can't help you without unprocessed source files that can be used to reproduce the problems.

[TheProfosist]

I can't help you without unprocessed source files that can be used to reproduce the problems.

sorry forgot that only the first 50mb of the first vob were uploaded ill split it apart and see where the bad part is or did you want more than just the bad part?

[Guest]

or did you want more than just the bad part? If you claim a problem, only the corresponding part of the source stream is germane.

[TheProfosist]

ok here is the file it should be what your looking for http://www.mediafire.com/file/cndx2kndezz/VTS_01_1.VOB_18.VOB

also i have changed up the script to

DGSource("C:\TEMP\Lain\07 - Cvt Vid\01.track_224-002_Track1.dgi",fieldop=0)

TFM()
TDecimate(mode=1,hybrid=1)

FFT3dGPU(sigma=4,sharpen=1.0,plane=4,precision=2,degrid=1.0)

Spline64resize(616,480)


*i took out the GPU bilaterial filter because it was smoothing over the details way too much and it was on its lowest setting but through trial and error i found that my FFT3dGOU setting are still good and doing what there supposed to

[Guest]

It's in the source. Where did you get it and why does it have the nonstandard file name?

[TheProfosist]

It's in the source. Where did you get it and why does it have the nonstandard file name?

because i split off just 50mb i thought thats all u needed was that section. and that program u told me to use names that as VTS_01_1.VOB_18 so i just added the extention to then end to i know what part it was.

ill upload the entire vob file with the first episode in i right now

[Guest]

ill upload the entire vob file with the first episode in i right now What are you using to decrypt/rip the VOB to your hard disk?

[TheProfosist]

What are you using to decrypt/rip the VOB to your hard disk?

AnyDVD usually sometimes i use Magic DVD Ripper which is a really nice tool ive had it since it first came out and i use ifo edit to remove angles i dont need (didnt have to do that for lain)

im uploading the first VOB file which contains the entire first episode right now i had to compress and split it to 200mb sections using win rar

i used the DGSplit tool you gave me to split the VOB before if you were wondering

[Guest]

AnyDVD usually sometimes i use Magic DVD Ripper Which one did you use for the sample that you uploaded?

Which episode is it? I have the DVDs so I can check the source directly.

[TheProfosist]

its episode one. its the credits

heres the vob file
http://www.mediafire.com/file/zzz2kmxqzmz/VTS_01_1.part1.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/file/zgjy2iydmdt/VTS_01_1.part2.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/file/1zq00mz2qzq/VTS_01_1.part3.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/file/i30vwjkmtw3/VTS_01_1.part4.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/file/mvytfwzxoim/VTS_01_1.part5.rar

this is the error
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2803/laincredisissue.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/laincredisissue.jpg/)
the names as they scroll are really choppy almost and kinda look to have those horizontal lines as if it were interlaced

[Guest]

I am interested in the macroblocking but not this last issue. That is just simple hybrid content. You have to learn how to deal with it.

Are you still seeing the macroblocking?

[TheProfosist]

I am interested in the macroblocking but not this last issue. That is just simple hybrid content. You have to learn how to deal with it.

Are you still seeing the macroblocking?

yes the macro blocking in on the original VOB on the disc there are also huge subtitle timing issues i had to time by hand when ever it changes VOB files it a pain but im getting it to work



so how does one deal with that hybrid content?

[Guest]

I don't see the macroblocking with my DVDDecrypter rip of that episode. So, either you have a bad rip, or you didn't get that from where you claim. I wonder about it because your earlier sample has a strange one-frame FBI warning attached and the info panel shows different things for your stream compared to what I have ripped from a legit Lain DVD. Anyway, your stream is bad.

There is a large amount of info available about handling hybrid video. Have you even *tried* to find any of it?

[TheProfosist]

I don't see the macroblocking with my DVDDecrypter rip of that episode. So, either you have a bad rip, or you didn't get that from where you claim. I wonder about it because your earlier sample has a strange one-frame FBI warning attached and the info panel shows different things for your stream compared to what I have ripped from a legit Lain DVD. Anyway, your stream is bad.

There is a large amount of info available about handling hybrid video. Have you even *tried* to find any of it?

yes like i said the dvd is really wierd i think there might be something wrong with that first vob file maybe my dvd is bad or ripping program failed somewhere because when you play the dvd directly it doesnt happen and after the first vob the sub title delay is fixed so i wonder if something happened there. ill try re-ripping and redemuxing


ive only read a little as i havnt had much time as of recent so ive just been encoding stuff that requires soft pull down because i know exactly how to do that. i just want to make sure i get the hybrid video thing right because i looks bad when its wrong

[Guest]

ive only read a little as i havnt had much time as of recent I see. If you have no time for it then I certainly don't. Thanks for being so straight-up about it!

[TheProfosist]

I see. If you have no time for it then I certainly don't. Thanks for being so straight-up about it!

yea sorry over the weekend and and this week i have a very large amount of work compared to normal

i personally want to get it done so i can encode it so i know ill find time soon even if it is late at night ill report back with results

[TheProfosist]

well i had the same problem it may be a tsMuxer error it does weird things sometimes but im not going to worry about it 2 much until i get the whole hybrid content thing figured out

from reading i determined the VFR is basically a requirement and the only way from what i was reading to do hybrid content. my only question about that is though can i pull the video file from the mkv and put it directly into a mp4 file?

if VFR is the way i must go i should have a problem doing it there is more than enough info in the readme for TDecimate

[osgZach]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=112199 <- VFR MP4 from MKV Timecodes

[TheProfosist]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=112199 <- VFR MP4 from MKV Timecodes

thanks much because now i have no qualms against using VFR

i will rerip the lain DVDs using Any DVD and try to see if that FBI thing and the blocking is gone if not ill check the dvd there may be something wrong with it

once this is all worked out i will post the first episode so that everyone can check it out to see that i did everything correcly the source is availble already so it shouldnt be a problem

[osgZach]

I hope you meant post a short clip, or are you going for a record for locked threads?

Also.. if it is a bad rip/program, limiting yourself to one program is not going to help anything at all. You should try out several whenever possible until you can determine if the DVD's themselves are bad or not.

DVD Descrypter is free and goes a fair good job. Even though it's old, never had a problem with it.

[TheProfosist]

my first lain dvd is officially messed up when ripping with AnyDVD i get an error message on the VTS01_1.vob file. i can easily cut out the fbi thing i guess ill just have to deal with the macroblocking in that area

[Guest]

Try ripping it with DVD Decrypter in IFO mode. Works fine for me.

[Guest]

once this is all worked out i will post the first episode Please don't post entire episodes. You may post small pieces under fair use but not entire episodes. Thank you.

[TheProfosist]

Try ripping it with DVD Decrypter in IFO mode. Works fine for me.

which set do you have i have the set from when it was re-released by geneon as a signature series

i wont post whole ep ill just post a part


i have read that denoiseing should be done on almost every source. i have tried a denoising filter and a bilateral filter and both seem to make it loose sharpness and detail even on the lowest settings that i can come up with. for the moment i have give up on both as encodes seem to be coming out better without it. any ideas on this matter?

[Guest]

i have read that denoiseing should be done on almost every source.... any ideas on this matter? Yes. Don't believe everything you read.

[TheProfosist]

Yes. Don't believe everything you read.

yea thats why i tested it out. so my idea on denoiseing is its not needed unless there is a huge noise issue. But if someone thinks they have a script that can help anything or all anime and want to change my mind. post it and ill test it out and tell you what i think. i prefer FFT3dGPU and GPUBilateral because they run off GPUs.

[TheProfosist]

i gave up on ripping lain because there is a problem with my fourth disc as well.

i just picked up moribito recently so i will be trying it on that

[TheProfosist]

right now im using this

TFM(order=1)
TDecimate(mode=3, hybrid=2)

for vfr but i dont know if thats correct because there is a 2 pass mode for vfr also and i use 3 pass when i encode so which vfr method should i be using?

[TheProfosist]

I was reading up more on the 2 pass vfr process and it seems more accurate and more desirable to use the big problem that im running into is that when i encode i use 3 pass option so how would i implement the code?

example 7 on this page is what i would be using http://avisynth.org.ru/docs/english/externalfilters/tivtc.htm

first pass
DGSource("source.dgi", fieldop=0)
TFM(order=1, slow=2, output="matches.txt")
TDecimate(mode=4, output="metrics.txt")

second pass
DGSource("source.dgi", fieldop=0)
TFM(order=1, slow=2, input="matches.txt")
TDecimate(mode=5, hybrid=2, input="metrics.txt", tfmIn="matches.txt", mkvOut="mkv-timecodesfile.txt") )

third pass
? would i use the same stuff as the second pass?