DVD Shrink Error

[HartleySan]

I keep encountering a problem with DVD Shrink and I cannot find a solution anywhere.

Basically, I have a TV series DVD where all four episodes on the disk are combined into one title. I wanted to split them up, so I used DVD Shrink to set the start/end frames for the title. I then backed up the edited title to an ISO file. When I tried to mount and play the ISO file though, I got an error in both Media Player Classic and Windows Media Player telling me that the disk and decoder regions didn't match, or something along those lines.

Basically, I have tried a number of different things, but I cannot seem to locate the problem. Anyone have any advice? Thank you.

[Chetwood]

First of all, "or something along those lines" won't cut it. To offer help, ppl need the correct error messages. Besides, I've yet to see a series DVD that does not also have each ep listed seperately so reauthoring without start/end frames would be possible. What show is it?

[HartleySan]

Okay. This is really weird, but I decided to try using the latest version of DVDFab HD Decrypter to edit the start/end title settings and then make an ISO that way.

Anyway, the edited ISO file, when mounted, played fine in Windows Media Player, but when I tried to play it using Media Player Classic, I got the same error, which is:

DVD: Incompatible Disc And DVD Regions

Anyway, if I rip the full title, everything plays fine, bit then I have all four episodes combined.

And, yes, you are right. Normally, a DVD with episodic content would have a seperate title for each episode, but not in the case of this (cheap) DVD. The series is Neon Genesis Evangelion and I have the official DVDs. They're not some Chinese knockoff.

I have also seen the same thing with the Trigun DVDs I own, which are also the official release.

Anyway, any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

I'll continue playing around with things and post any new findings here. Thanks.

[HartleySan]

After some more experimentation with using DVDFab HD Decrypter, I have found the following:

If I start the title at the beginning of the title and end it wherever, the created ISO will play in Windows Media Player, but not in Media Player Classic.

If I start the title anywhere but the beginning, it will not worked in either WMP or MPC.

By the way, the following error is output by WMP when it doesn't work:

Windows Media Player cannot play the DVD because the disc prohibits playback in your region of the world. You must obtain a disc that is intended for your geographic region.

Also, I am using Windows 7 Home Premium (32-bit).

[Chetwood]

Pretty much any ripper I know of also removes region coding so your ripped DVD should play just fine.

[HartleySan]

Well, it should, but it doesn't. Like I said, if I rip the full title, it plays perfectly fine. It's only when I edit the title start/end settings, so that I only get part of the title that the error occurs. It is a mystery.

Anyway, thanks for the help. I guess I'll keep experimenting.

[HartleySan]

Okay. I've made a little headway and have some good news and some bad news.

The good news: I have gotten things to more or less work. When I output the results to a folder, then it plays fine, but the bad news is that the ISO method is still weird. The weirdest thing is that if I output the results to a folder, it works okay, but if I then try to output those results to an ISO file, I get the same error as before.

I really wonder what's going on.

Are there any good programs out there that can turn the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders into an ISO without any problems?

Thanks again.

[Chetwood]

Makes no sense to me. What do you use to playback the ISO? You can set a region code for mounted drives with Alcohol too, you know. In any case you can use ImgBurn to i build mode to make an ISO from your folders.

[HartleySan]

Yeah, no kidding it makes no sense. I use Daemon Tools Lite for my virtual drive and I use Media Player Classic to watch DVDs (both physical discs and virtual images). I almost exclusively use DVDFab HD Decrypter to rip my DVDs and I have never, ever had a single problem until I started trying to rip just part of a title and output it to an ISO image file.

I just recently started using Windows 7 though, so I wonder if that has something to do with it. I used XP SP2 before, but I didn't try to do what I'm doing now until after I installed Windows 7.

Anyway, I'm gonna keep plugging away at this. I'm a little surprised that no one else seems to have ever encountered this problem. It's too bad, as I was hoping someone would have a conclusive solution to the problem.

Well, if I find a solution, I will post it here. I still am really curious as to why outputting the results to a folder works fine, but outputting to an ISO is no good. Furthermore, if I use DVDFab HD Decrypter to turn the output folder into an ISO, I get the same error. There must be something weird about the ISO process, where it doesn't properly handle the region block or whatever. I really don't know.

Why!? Grrr!

[HartleySan]

Alright! Success! I used a freeware program called Folder2Iso (creative!) to turn the folder containing the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders into an ISO file and it worked!

w00t!

Anyway, it's kinda annoying that I have to go through all this to accomplish what I thought would be a simpler task, but at least, a solution has been found. I hope this helps other people in the future.

[jinjin_jp]

Alright! Success! I used a freeware program called Folder2Iso (creative!) to turn the folder containing the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders into an ISO file and it worked!

Is it really ?
I tested Folder2ISO long before and knew it should not be used for DVD-VIDEO because of wrong order of files.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=107426&highlight=folder2iso

Now I test it with latest Folder2ISO v.1.4, but it is not changed.
Below shows wrong order of files.
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1879/imagejcn.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/imagejcn.jpg/)

About DVD-VIDEO, file must be ifo=>vob=>bup, but its output is bup=>ifo=>vob (alphabetically).

Regards.

[HartleySan]

Hmmm...I don't know anything about the order of the files, but I do know that in my case, it worked fine and the ISO image played as it was supposed to in my virtual drive. Sorry I can't help you with that more, but I simply used the program the one time to get what I wanted.

[jinjin_jp]

Hmmm...I don't know anything about the order of the files, but I do know that in my case, it worked fine and the ISO image played as it was supposed to in my virtual drive. Sorry I can't help you with that more, but I simply used the program the one time to get what I wanted.

Wrong order of files has the problem when writng ISO to disc and replaying it by hard player. It doesn't have the problem when PC soft player.

Don't worry. I don't need help. I just to say the information that Folder2ISO is not for DVD-VIDEO.

Regards.

[reb]

Well, you were sayin' nobody have has this problem?
I have it!

I've used three different methods of creating a video DVD iso from a folder (that was playing fine), and all of them were unplayable by MPC-HC and WMP, with the same errors mentioned by the op.
Here are the three ways used:
1. I've used DVD Flick to create a PAL DVD without any menu, from a divx in pal size. Then I used IMGburn to burn the VIDEO_TS folders DVD iso image. The iso image does not play when mounted, while the folder structure plays fine in mpc-hc (and plays as dvd - meaning the dvd right click menu appears in mpc when right-clicking on movie, not the regular menu).
I've tried with a mjpeg avi from a camera with the same result.
2. I've used DVDstyler to create an iso image of a DVD, from a short movie file.
3. I've used DVDshrink in reauthor mode to create a one-title dvd as iso. The initial folder structure when converted to iso works fine. The reauthored image does not work.
If I use DVDshrink to only replace extras with still images or to remove audio streams, the created image plays fine.


Since none of the iso's worked, I tend to think it's actually daemon tool's fault under Windows 7. Because I refuse to think the authoring process could go wring in three different apps, and wrong in the same way.
I am using Daemon Tools Lite 4.35.6.0091 / sptd version 1.62.
On the other hand, dvd iso's freshly decrypted to hard disk then converted to iso wihtout reauthoring play just fine in software players.

I remember noticing IMGburn warning me about possible problems related to SPTD (at startup of imgburn: Duplex Secure's SPTD driver can have a detrimental effect on drive performance!). I wonder this could be related?

later edit- one more try I've done:
created a small dummy wmv movie in windows movie maker (a 2 secs slideshow)
authored it with dvdsyler and burned it as iso (direclty from dvdstyler)
still no go

[Chetwood]

I've used three different methods of creating a video DVD iso from a folder (that was playing fine), and all of them were unplayable by MPC-HC and WMP, with the same errors mentioned by the op.
Which means you need to re-rip them to a folder this time removing regional coding which is the default setting in pretty much all rippers. Also, drop WMP crap.

Because I refuse to think the authoring process could go wring in three different apps, and wrong in the same way.
I refuse to think it's a Daemon Tools fault (have you tried Alcohol or Virtual CloneDrive or VLC instead of MPC-HC?) because it most likely would mentioned on their forums already given how long Win7 is out there.

[reb]

Which means you need to re-rip them to a folder this time removing regional coding

what about dvds authored from my own files in dvdflick and dvdstyler? i couldn't see a way to specify region (region 2 in my case)

later edit:
also, when ripping original DVDs i was ripping my own original DVDs which were already the correct region (2); on the other hand, I think daemon tools emulates all regions, so it really shouldn't matter...
the image created from the folder structure plays fine. only after reauthoring in DVDshrink I get the region error. does dvdshrink alters dvd region when reauthoring?

i would have said, like the op above, that dvdshrink has a problem, but then how could I explain the freshly authored dvds from personal movies or pictures, using dvdflick and dvd styler?

how could all the authoring apps have the same problem, in different contexts and with different data???

this is quite puzzling....


after more googling I've read that windows 7 does not support region-free discs on external drives.
maybe the kind of emulation daemon tools does is seen as external drive, and since the outputs from dvdshrink and dvd flick are region-free dvd iso's, this could be the problem

I should try to set the region in dvdshrink
later edit:
I take a DVD iso authored in DVD flick from a PERSONAL movie (shot with a canon camera), open it in DVD Shrink, it's region free, modify it to region 2 then burn it again as iso
imgburn reports about the iso RPC phase 2, region(s) supported: 2, no mention of "media region(s) supported)
set Daemon Tools drive to be region 2
activated UAC (some say UAC could be the problem if it's off)
reboot
still the same region error

p.s. does any1 know the difference between
region(s) supported
and media region(s) supported
in imgburn tols->drive-> regional codes-> information?

some of my isos have both values reported here (region(s) supported and media region(s) supported) while some have only the first of them

OK this is my LAST EDIT

The problem was solved.
I can finally play my own authored DVDs as iso images.
For this, I had to install Virtual CloneDrive (freeware).

I was assuming there is some problem with region codes, seeing how imgburn reports them (and seing that sometimes MEDIA REGION CODE is missing).

Wirtual clonedrive plays my isos and imgburn reports about the virtual drive loaded with an iso:
RPC Scheme: RPC PHase II
Region Status: Set
[...]
Region(s) Supported: 1
Media REgion(s) Supported: 1; 2; [... all]

For the iso monted in Daemon Tools. the report looks the same excepting the last line (media region).
When I mount an iso image that DOES work in Daemon Tools (such as a non-re-authored backup created with DVDshrink)
the missing line is now present
Media REgion(s) Supported: 1; 2; [... all]

So to blame I would say it's the way daemon tools reports the region of some of the isos.

Here is a comparison for other isos (Media Region Code) with regions set in dvdshrink:
region 2 iso: DTlite: does not report it; virtualclonedrive: 2,7,8
region-all: DTlite: does not report it; virtulaclonedrive: all

I don't know why is adding virtualclonedrive regions 7 and 8 to the list for a region-2 only drive, but nevertheless it wroks.
Also, it works no matter if UAC is on or off.

Sorry for bumping and old post, but my errors were exactly the same as the orignal poster mentioned, and I was also using DVDshrink.
In the end, I think Daemon tools was to blame. I am not criticizing, I've used it for years and it served me well.

[setarip_old]

Hi!I think Daemon tools was to blame.Glad to hear you resolved your problem ;>} - but you should be aware that the solution is very old news. A thorough use of the Forum's "Search" function would have disclosed that there are dozens of posts throughout the Doom9 Forums specifically suggesting the use of Virtual Clone Drive instead of the older, problematic Daemon Tools...