Star Trek: TOS - decrypted files are crazy (multiple angle issue)

[Lincoln Burrows]

Software used: AnyDVD 6.6.0.7.
Tested: Star Trek TOS, Season 2

Settings used:

Enable BD support
Disable BD-Live
Remove BD region Code (and then, region A selected - it was the brazilian master, which also uses Region A like US).

All other settings disabled.Can any of you help me with this problem?

Description:

It's not an audio/playback problem, it's an 'angle'/copy problem. These sets have the original effects and the enhanced effects as 'angle' options.

When trying to copy only one episode, there is no angle selection (only one is available for each episode). And if I copy the episode, the playlist copied is for the 1 angle, but the copied streams are for the other.

Issue: The episodes are out of sync, and each scene repeats itself, it's not smooth/fluid, it's going crazy on all players (also on Total Media Theatre from Arcsoft, which just played fine anything, even interlaced videos, something MPC-HC wasn't capable of). You simply cannot play all episodes in a normal way.

I tried dozens of settings but those m2ts files are going crazy. TSMuxer wasn't able to help me because failed to save the episodes on MKV streams (it only saved a bunch of files which didn't were from the show).

In order for you to understand what's going on, please check this out:
http://forum.dvdfab.com/showthread.php?p=10417

Note: This is the first time ever I am having this kind of problem. And the original disc(s) are playing just fine on Total Media Theatre.

Update: Since that's the case, I am going to try now ripping the disc, but keeping the protections and using AnyDVD to play the ISO. I had all files removed from the ISO (not using the "Keep Protection" enabled (PowerISO was used to extract the ISO files), but once there's a issue preventing me to play those specific multi-angle episodes (and I still can't figure out how to fix it or how should I instruct ClownBD to do so), I will attempt this in the next hour. Let's see if at least I can play the files this way.

Update 2: As I expected, it worked that way, keeping the protections enabled and only playing the ISO on PowerDVD Ultra (TMT didn't recognized the disc). And using Windows XP SP3, it wasn't possible to see the ISO mounted folder/files.

The episodes were fine this way (AnyDVD-HD needs to be enabled either), but as I said earlier, decrypting will break everything, this muti-angle thing is really something that needs to be fixed. Or perhaps it's a new technology that TMT and other players can't deal properly.

[setarip_old]

@Lincoln Burrows

Hi!

1) I believe you'll find that, if you want to make a backup that preserves the ability to choose between an episode's original effects and enhanced effects, you'll have to make a FULL DISC backup.

2) If you wish to make a backup copies of episodes each containing ONLY ONE ANGLE, simply rip your original BluRay disc with ONLY "MakeMKV" (Do NOT run AnyDVD HD). You can do this for each episode for each angle.

[Lincoln Burrows]

Hey there,

I am going to perform more tests later, but right now I have ripped all discs using the settings above (from AnyDVD), and saved them into ISO files, but with the option "Keep Protection" enabled, which forces me to use AnyDVD-HD if I wanted to play those ISOs (mounted with Virtual CloneDrive, of course).

If I didn't used the "Keep Protection" option, both angles should be able to be selected on Total Media Theatre, but that's not working, and returns the problem I told you about. What doesn't make any sense.

However, the unencrypted ISOs are playing fine, same for the playback speed. That means I might use MakeMKV with those "protected mounted ISOs" and do whatever I want? Will that actually work? Shouldn't I decrypt them with AnyDVD before?

Because as you can see, decrypting = messing with the playback on all players (MPC-HC is only playing individual M2ts files, but TMT should work 100% fine in theory because recognizes the whole BD structure, as PowerDVD does (now only with mounted ISOs, in the past it was capable of reading whole folders)).

I guess decrypting messes with the same structure and that's why both angles and video streams embedded in those files are merging with each other when they should stay put unless asked by the player. I noticed when the playback is wrong that we can see for a couple of seconds the old/new effects at the same time, as if we were seeing two videos at once, one trying to take control of the other.

[rik1138]

I'm trying to understand this correctly... If you just use AnyDVD and rip the entire disc and decrypt it, then playing back the entire disc with PowerDVD doesn't work correctly? I'm ripping a Season 2 disc now to see what happens... What version of PowerDVD are you using? I've played back all 3 seasons from all regions using PowerDVD and TotalMedia with no problem, but not after attempting to rip them with AnyDVD.

All Star Trek TOS is all-region, so you don't have to worry about that setting (not that it would have any affect on what you are doing anyway...)

I've used TSMuxer to rip one episode into a single m2ts, that works perfectly, but I don't know how to make TSMuxer select the second angle (every time I do this I only get the episodes with the new effects (the first angle), but it works...) Select the PlayList, not the m2ts files when ripping (the episodes should be PlayList 0-3 or 0-4 depending on how many are on the disc). TSMuxer doesn't seem to support angles...

What is your end goal, BTW? Just getting the discs on your hard drive, or actually extracting the episodes separately?

[setarip_old]

@Lincoln Burrows

You say:That means I might use MakeMKV with those "protected mounted ISOs" and do whatever I want? Will that actually work? Shouldn't I decrypt them with AnyDVD before

As the old joke goes, "What part of the following (My first post here) don't you understand?:If you wish to make a backup copies of episodes each containing ONLY ONE ANGLE, simply rip your original BluRay disc with ONLY "MakeMKV" (Do NOT run AnyDVD HD). You can do this for each episode for each angle.

[Lincoln Burrows]

I'm trying to understand this correctly... If you just use AnyDVD and rip the entire disc and decrypt it, then playing back the entire disc with PowerDVD doesn't work correctly?If you decrypt those discs "on-the-fly" into ISO files, and then use PowerISO to extract the contents of those ISOs, and (only then) you use MPC-HC, Total Media Theatre or any other player for that matter, you won't be able to play any episode (from any disc) properly.

That's what I said. I also explained that MPC-HC can't play BD "projects" stored on Hard Drives showing menus and all that stuff. Only individual M2TS files. But TMT can.

And usually, even if MPC-HC is experiencing some issues with M2TS (one of them was the VC-1 codec/DXVA on Windows XP/SP3), TMT can play any kind of decrypted BD project (even 1080i which needs some "tweak" on MPC-HC).

But the decrypted S2 TOS discs were simply messed and can't playback properly at all. The whole multiple angle thing is preventing me from playing them even if I use TSMuxer to convert into Matroska.

And this never happened before, until now. That's why I told you that I ripped those discs into ISO containers again, BUT NOW, THEY ARE ALL ENCRYPTED AND NEED ANYDVD-HD, even if the BD projects are stored in my HDD. At least this way I can make sure they will work just fine.

What is your end goal, BTW? Just getting the discs on your hard drive, or actually extracting the episodes separately?I am both storing those discs into external HDDs (backup purposes) and letting them on my internal HDDs to be played with the condition that they are not compressed (something I was going to look for in a near future). I want the whole thing from all discs on my internal HDD, but ready to be played with no complications. But in this case, things are really messed and I wasted a lot of time trying to fix it, with no sucess at this point.

On the link I quoted some guy said that the ClownBD software migth be used to select some streams/subtitles/tracks from specific groups of M2TS. I tried to do that and it didn't worked, only reported "bad frame" or "discontinuity" problems.

Later I will do more tests, but it's the first time EVER that I am not capable of playing a decrypted BD project.

setarip, I will report later if I have any luck using MakeMKV as you instructed, please wait for further news.

[rik1138]

If you decrypt those discs "on-the-fly" into ISO files, and then use PowerISO to extract the contents of those ISOs, and (only then) you use MPC-HC, Total Media Theatre or any other player for that matter, you won't be able to play any episode (from any disc) properly.


I'm doing this differently... Do you need to rip to ISOs? I never do that... From AnyDVD, I just select 'Rip Video DVD to Harddisk' and it just copies the contents of the BD to the hard drive (decrypting in the process). They load and play perfectly in PowerDVD and TMT. (Never tried MPC-HD...) I also do not have Disable BD-Live or Remove Region Code checked... Again, I don't think that would affect anything, but just wanted to mention it.

Maybe it has to do with ripping to an ISO and extracting it... I can't imagine what it would be, but that's the only thing I can think of. Try using the 'Rip Video' option (or just copy/paste from Windows Explorer with AnyDVD running). To get a complete, fully functional copy of the disc on your hard drive, that should work fine...

Have you tried it with Season 1 at all? Season 1 is different than 2 & 3 (HDMV menus vs Java, but the episodes are still assembled the same way). Not sure that would make any difference, just kind of curious.

[Lincoln Burrows]

@Lincoln Burrows

Hi!

1) I believe you'll find that, if you want to make a backup that preserves the ability to choose between an episode's original effects and enhanced effects, you'll have to make a FULL DISC backup.

2) If you wish to make a backup copies of episodes each containing ONLY ONE ANGLE, simply rip your original BluRay disc with ONLY "MakeMKV" (Do NOT run AnyDVD HD). You can do this for each episode for each angle. 2) Error reading the mounted ISO (with Keep Protection enabled and AnyDVD disabled):

MakeMKV v1.4.9 beta win(x86-release) started
Using direct disc access mode
Can't read AACS VID from disc - most likely current AACS host certificate is revoked by your drive
The volume key is unknown for this disc - video can't be decrypted
Failed to open discNow I am attempting to save all files with AnyDVD-HD enabled.

This is the MakeMKV report when AnyDVD-HD is enabled on icon tray:

MakeMKV v1.4.9 beta win(x86-release) started
Using direct disc access mode
AACS directory not present, assuming unencrypted disc
File 00009.mpls was added as title #0
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00040.m2ts
File 00040.mpls was added as title #1
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00041.m2ts
File 00041.mpls was added as title #2
File 00301.mpls was added as title #3
File 00300.mpls was added as title #4
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00024.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00024.m2ts was skipped
File 00024.m2ts was added as title #5
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00023.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00023.m2ts was skipped
File 00023.m2ts was added as title #6
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00022.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00022.m2ts was skipped
File 00022.m2ts was added as title #7
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00021.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00021.m2ts was skipped
File 00021.m2ts was added as title #8
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00020.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00020.m2ts was skipped
File 00020.m2ts was added as title #9
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00017.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00017.m2ts was skipped
File 00017.m2ts was added as title #10
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00016.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00016.m2ts was skipped
File 00016.m2ts was added as title #11
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00015.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00015.m2ts was skipped
File 00015.m2ts was added as title #12
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00014.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00014.m2ts was skipped
File 00014.m2ts was added as title #13
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00013.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00013.m2ts was skipped
File 00013.m2ts was added as title #14
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00012.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00012.m2ts was skipped
File 00012.m2ts was added as title #15
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00011.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00011.m2ts was skipped
File 00011.m2ts was added as title #16
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00010.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00010.m2ts was skipped
File 00010.m2ts was added as title #17
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00009.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00009.m2ts was skipped
File 00009.m2ts was added as title #18
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00008.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00008.m2ts was skipped
File 00008.m2ts was added as title #19
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00007.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00007.m2ts was skipped
File 00007.m2ts was added as title #20
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00006.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00006.m2ts was skipped
File 00006.m2ts was added as title #21
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00005.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00005.m2ts was skipped
File 00005.m2ts was added as title #22
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00004.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00004.m2ts was skipped
File 00004.m2ts was added as title #23
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00003.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00003.m2ts was skipped
File 00003.m2ts was added as title #24
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00002.m2ts
Stream #11 of type 'DTS-HD secondary audio' in file 00002.m2ts was skipped
File 00002.m2ts was added as title #25
Only extracting DTS core audio from stream #1 of type 'DTS-HD Master audio' in file 00209.m2ts
File 00209.m2ts was added as title #26
File 00220.m2ts was added as title #27
File 00216.m2ts was added as title #28
File 00215.m2ts was added as title #29
File 00213.m2ts was added as title #30
File 00207.m2ts was added as title #31
File 00200.m2ts was added as title #32
File 00050.m2ts was added as title #33
File 00044.m2ts was added as title #34
File 00043.m2ts was added as title #35
File 00042.m2ts was added as title #36
File 00141.m2ts was added as title #37
File 00140.m2ts was added as title #38
File 00139.m2ts was added as title #39
File 00138.m2ts was added as title #40
Operation sucessfully completed
Saving 41 titles into directory C:/Documents and Settings/Core Quad 9450/DesktopI have clicked on "Save" to convert everything. Let's wait and see what happens. I also changed that MakeMKV setting from 120 to 2 seconds to avoid files to be ignored (don't remember which setting was, but if you have the program you can check inside).

Please wait for further reports...

One thing I don't understand is why the mounted ISO can't be accessed going to the drive I: which is the assigned here. Windows XP SP3 can't recognize or read it?

And this is the picture taken from the mounted ISO (PowerISO screen):

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2205/imagemmtw.png

[Lincoln Burrows]

Something is wrong with those files generated. First, the ISO had 27 GB and the total size of the MKV folder is 16 GB.

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3764/imagemvm.png

Second, there's pixelization when watching the SD videos (from the extra features). The same issue is not happening with the HD videos. The pixelization only happens when you go to another part of the video/file (for example, jumping from 1 minute to 15 minutes). And not only that, those videos are crashing if you do that 2 or 3 times. ALWAYS. Tested on both MPC-HC and BSPlayer. Not sure who's responsible...

And from what I can see, only small parts of each episode were saved on this folder. They don't last more than 1 or 5 minutes. But definitely the two episodes are not complete even if you were going to merge them. That is only happening with the episodes from the show. There are two HD videos (one from a animated episode and another from DS9, a SD show), that are not only complete but you can watch on it's entirely on a single Matroska file (each one has 3/5 GB).

And why ClownBD can't read the mounted ISO/drive, but MakeMKV can? Isn't that odd?

MakeMKV didn't said anything (not that I can see) that some files will be ignored and the whole saving process will be messed.

This is the MakeMKV screen with AnyDVD enabled.

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/4490/imagemvx.png

Good news is that the small parts saved from those episodes can be watched with no problems, the playback is fine. But this problem is not solved, considering that more than 10 GB were ignored.

Correction: it seems there are no "episodes". Only a single episode with or without enhanced effects, and you can choose that on the BD menu. Choosing the first option uses the 1st angle, second: 2nd angle...

[rik1138]

I've never used MakeMKV, so I can't speak for sure, but looking at the list in your previous Email (where it's making 00009.m2ts as Title #0, etc), it's definitely skipping some, and doing them completely out of order... You are obviously working on the Tribbles disc, that helps to know... The Animated episode and the DS9 episode are one m2ts on the original disc (00040 and 00041 respectively), so those should copy with no problem. It's the TOS episode that's obviously causing the problems... That episode, with both angles, is 00000.m2ts through 00024.m2ts, in sequential order. I don't even see 00000.m2ts in that list from MakeMKV, why did it skip that one? 18 looks like it's missing too, probably more... Anything above 00024.m2ts is going to be bonus features (the TV commercial is 00200), anything else above 100 is menus, logos and such. You don't even want 00136-00141 at all, those are just dummy videos and background videos for the BD-Live content...

Also, keep in mind, there's a PiP stream in this episode too. Not sure how that messes with things...

The episode breakdown is like this, if you want to know:
00000.m2ts Part 1, Angle 1
00001.m2ts Part 1, Angle 2
00002.m2ts Part 2 (used for both angles)
00003.m2ts Part 3, Angle 1
00004.m2ts Part 3, Angle 2
00005.m2ts Part 4 (used for both angles)
etc.
00023.m2ts Part 16 (used for both, end credits)
00024.m2ts Part 17 (used for both, CBS logo after credits)

So, you don't want to attach 00000, 00001, 00002, 00003, 00004 etc, or you will be getting repeated scenes. You'd want to attach 00000, 00002, 00003, 00005, etc for the 'new effects' version, 00001, 00002, 00004, 00005, etc for the 'original effects' version.

Again, I'm not familiar with MakeMKV, so I'm not sure how to make it read all of these in the correct order... I'm not sure why it's skipping some of them in the first place...

[Lincoln Burrows]

What I can't figure out until now is why I can watch the episode with no problems, if I:

1) Mount the ISO using Virtual CloneDrive (DAEMON won't work);
2) Enable AnyDVD.
3) Use PowerDVD Ultra for this task.

The ISO was generated after the following options were selected in the last AnyDVD-HD version:

Settings used:

Enable BD support
Disable BD-Live
Remove BD region Code (and then, region A selected - it was the brazilian master, which also uses Region A like US).
Keep Protection - enabledAnd that's all. But if I disable the "Keep Protection" option then the problems described will happen with the decrypted files, they won't work on any player, as if decrypting was messing with those files or probably altering the the BD authoring on a level that messes everything, but only for the Star Trek episodes.

That should never happen with decrypted files. You can argue that we need to do this or that to convert those files into Matroska, but that's not the purpose of using AnyDVD. AnyDVD is being used to create a functional copy of that disc on the Hard-Drive. And all kinds of softwares should be ready to read those files.

I wasn't going to convert anything to Matroska, and frankly, that shouldn't be required in this case.

I was going to playback all files on my HDD, with no mounted ISOs, like I did dozens of times before, with decrypted BDs from many movies.

Maybe the answer for that question lies on the fact that, when we decrypt a Blu-ray project, we are somehow changing something that indicates there are two angles embedded on those files, so when the file is being played, the player goes crazy because it's reading some authoring command that tells him to keep switching between both angles, instead of saying that only one angle should be read, the other should stay put.

Maybe that "command" is somehow located on one of BD folders, on small files like index.bdmv, 00003.mpls, etc.

What I don't understand is why the ISO with Protection enabled is not having any issues and the decrypted versions (from all discs) are. Perhaps the "Removing "Operation Prohibited" option needs to be selected on this case? I will try that in the next hour. *

As for Windows XP SP3 not recognizing, I think I now why: it can't read the UDF filesystem, while Vista/Win7 can.

* Tested and confirmed. Removing UOPs didn't helped either.

**************

Update: There's nothing wrong with decrypting. But TMT couldn't read the ISO, and returned error with the files extracted from the ISO.

PowerDVD Ultra 9 was used to test the mounted (and decrypted ISO), and it worked!

What I need to know is why ClownBD keep saying "the source file seems to be damaged". I am attempting to convert the episode into a single Matroska file now, selecting only one angle.

Later I will edit here and post more screens (this time from ClownBD).

[rik1138]

What I can't figure out until now is why I can watch the episode with no problems, if I:

1) Mount the ISO using Virtual CloneDrive (DAEMON won't work);
2) Enable AnyDVD.
3) Use PowerDVD Ultra for this task.


Have you tried just ripping the files to the hard drive and playing them that way? (Instead of ripping to an ISO and mounting it) I haven't had a problem yet with these discs playing in PowerDVD or TMT after ripping them that way.

These multi-angle pieces have to be interleaved in a very specific way on the disc to make them play back properly, maybe that interleaving isn't being maintained when they are ripped into an ISO file. This doesn't seem to be a problem with just the folders of the disc copied to the hard drive (but you might have problems if you burn those files back to a disc). The interleaving is fairly complex, I'm not sure if any ripping tools handle it properly...

[Lincoln Burrows]

Take a look at my update above, PowerDVD worked with the decrypted (and mounted) ISO. So decrypting is not the issue here, only the software used.

MPC-HC and BSPlayer can't read individual M2TS files in this case, properly. Period. A proprietary software only developed to read BD projects is required.

In this case, it was PowerDVD Ultra 9, which is only capable of reading BD projects when MOUNTED. Earlier versions from PowerDVD could read the files if they were stored on folders (Hard Drive), but now that feature was removed and only TMT from Arcsoft can do that.

Perhaps PowerDVD was better developed and it's the only one that can recognize the multi-angles in a proper way.

It was told that ClownBD needs to be used to demux those M2TS files, along with Eac3To. Let's see if it will work.

[rik1138]

In this case, it was PowerDVD Ultra 9, which is only capable of reading BD projects when MOUNTED. Earlier versions from PowerDVD could read the files if they were stored on folders (Hard Drive), but now that feature was removed and only TMT from Arcsoft can do that.

Oh shit, sorry about that, I didn't realize PowerDVD has restricted hard drive playback like that, that's why I never tried it... That's why I couldn't figure out why you had to use ISOs... :rolleyes:

I've never had problems with TMT playing files directly off the hard drive either...

But, I'm using different versions of these players that might be more friendly with unencrypted/ripped content. And they aren't always updated to the latest versions either. Sorry about the confusion there...

[Lincoln Burrows]

My steps:

The decrypted folder is there, all files stored in my HDD.

ClownBD log reports (when pointing the BD project folder):

eac3to v3.17
command line: "C:\Arquivos de programas\Clown_BD_v0.75\eac3to\eac3to.exe" "C:\Documents and Settings\Core Quad 9450\Desktop\MKV folder\TESTE\1" -progressnumbers -LOG="C:\Documents and Settings\Core Quad 9450\Desktop\LOGS\eac3to_PASS1_LOG.LOG"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) 00000.mpls (angle 1), 0:50:44
[0+2+3+5+6+8+9+11+12+14+15+17+18+20+21+23+24+209].m2ts
- Chapters, 6 chapters
- VC-1, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- VC-1, 480p24 /1.001 (4:3)
- DTS Master Audio, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, Spanish, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, French, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz
- DTS Express, English, stereo, 48khz

2) 00000.mpls (angle 2), 0:50:44
[1+2+4+5+7+8+10+11+13+14+16+17+19+20+22+23+24+209].m2ts
- Chapters, 6 chapters
- VC-1, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- VC-1, 480p24 /1.001 (4:3)
- DTS Master Audio, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, Spanish, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, French, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz
- DTS Express, English, stereo, 48khz

3) 00040.mpls, 00040.m2ts, 0:24:13
- Chapters, 5 chapters
- VC-1, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- DTS Master Audio, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, Spanish, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, French, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz

4) 00041.mpls, 00041.m2ts, 0:45:30
- Chapters, 7 chapters
- VC-1, 1080i60 /1.001 (16:9)
- DTS Master Audio, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, Spanish, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, French, stereo, 48khz

5) 00042.mpls, 00042.m2ts, 0:16:54
- VC-1, 480i60 /1.001 (4:3)
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz

6) 00043.mpls, 00043.m2ts, 0:16:32
- VC-1, 480i60 /1.001 (4:3)
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khzNext, second screen:

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2149/imagemhu.png

No matter what I choose here, it will always return some bizarre errors and it will not generate a M2TS file with the episode.

Second log:

eac3to v3.17
command line: "C:\Arquivos de programas\Clown_BD_v0.75\eac3to\eac3to.exe" "C:\Documents and Settings\Core Quad 9450\Desktop\MKV folder\TESTE\1" 1) -progressnumbers -LOG="C:\Documents and Settings\Core Quad 9450\Desktop\LOGS\eac3to_PASS2_LOG.LOG"
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M2TS, 2 video tracks, 6 audio tracks, 5 subtitle tracks, 0:35:24, 48p /1.001
1: Chapters, 6 chapters
2: VC-1, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
3: VC-1, 480p24 /1.001 (3:2)
4: DTS Master Audio, English, 7.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz)
5: AC3, English, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
6: AC3, Spanish, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
7: AC3, French, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
8: AC3, English, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
9: DTS Express, English, 2.0 channels, 16 bits, 192kbps, 48khz
10: Subtitle (PGS), English
11: Subtitle (PGS), Spanish
12: Subtitle (PGS), French
13: Subtitle (PGS), Portuguese
14: Subtitle (PGS), English
[v02] The video bitstream framerate field doesn't seem to match the timestamps. <WARNING>
[v03] The video bitstream framerate field doesn't seem to match the timestamps. <WARNING>And third log, which is definitely the one clarifying things:

eac3to v3.17
command line: "C:\Arquivos de programas\Clown_BD_v0.75\eac3to\eac3to.exe" "C:\Documents and Settings\Core Quad 9450\Desktop\MKV folder\TESTE\1" 1) 1: "C:\Documents and Settings\Core Quad 9450\Desktop\Chapters_1.txt" 2: "C:\Documents and Settings\Core Quad 9450\Desktop\Video_2.*" 4: "C:\Documents and Settings\Core Quad 9450\Desktop\Audio_4_English.DTS" 10: "C:\Documents and Settings\Core Quad 9450\Desktop\Subtitles_10_English.sup" 14: "C:\Documents and Settings\Core Quad 9450\Desktop\Subtitles_14_English.sup" -progressnumbers -LOG="C:\Documents and Settings\Core Quad 9450\Desktop\LOGS\eac3to_PASS3_LOG.LOG"
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M2TS, 2 video tracks, 6 audio tracks, 5 subtitle tracks, 0:35:24, 48p /1.001
1: Chapters, 6 chapters
2: VC-1, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
3: VC-1, 480p24 /1.001 (3:2)
4: DTS Master Audio, English, 7.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz)
5: AC3, English, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
6: AC3, Spanish, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
7: AC3, French, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
8: AC3, English, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB
9: DTS Express, English, 2.0 channels, 16 bits, 192kbps, 48khz
10: Subtitle (PGS), English
11: Subtitle (PGS), Spanish
12: Subtitle (PGS), French
13: Subtitle (PGS), Portuguese
14: Subtitle (PGS), English
[v02] The video bitstream framerate field doesn't seem to match the timestamps. <WARNING>
[v03] The video bitstream framerate field doesn't seem to match the timestamps. <WARNING>
Creating file "C:\Documents and Settings\Core Quad 9450\Desktop\Chapters_1.txt"...
[s14] Extracting subtitle track number 14...
[s10] Extracting subtitle track number 10...
[v02] Extracting video track number 2...
[a04] Extracting audio track number 4...
[v02] Creating file "C:\Documents and Settings\Core Quad 9450\Desktop\Video_2.vc1"...
[a04] Creating file "C:\Documents and Settings\Core Quad 9450\Desktop\Audio_4_English.DTS"...
[v02] [0:00:05] The source file seems to be damaged (discontinuity). <WARNING>
[a04] [0:00:04] The source file seems to be damaged (discontinuity). <WARNING>
[a04] Removing DTS zero padding...
[a04] This track is not clean. <WARNING>
[v02] [0:00:05] The source file seems to be damaged (discontinuity). <WARNING> - REPEATED A THOUSAND TIMES MORE
[s10] Creating file "C:\Documents and Settings\Core Quad 9450\Desktop\Subtitles_10_English.sup"...
[a04] [0:03:41] The pes parser received incomplete data. REPEATED SEVERAL TIMES <WARNING>
[v02] Video has a gap of 155 frames at playtime 0:03:42. <WARNING> REPEATED A THOUSAND TIMES MORE
[a04] Audio overlaps for 4085ms at playtime 0:00:00. <WARNING> REPEATED SEVERAL TIMES
[s14] Creating file "C:\Documents and Settings\Core Quad 9450\Desktop\Subtitles_14_English.sup"...
[a04] Starting 2nd pass...
[a04] Realizing DTS gaps...
[a04] Creating file "C:\Documents and Settings\Core Quad 9450\Desktop\Audio_4_English.DTS"...
Video track 2 contains 70370 frames.
Video track 3 contains 70170 frames.
Subtitle track 10 contains 570 captions.
Subtitle track 14 contains 1 caption.
eac3to processing took 14 minutes, 42 seconds.
Done.The generated M2Ts file still have the issue described bellow.

Both angles and video streams embedded in those files are merging with each other when they should stay put unless asked by the player. I noticed when the playback is wrong that we can see for a couple of seconds the old/new effects at the same time, as if we were seeing two videos at once, one trying to take control of the other.Any clues on what really is going on? Or should I use another program/method to create those files?

One more thing: TSMuxer, alone, when reading 0000.mlps from the BD structure:

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/599/imagemjyb.png
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8598/imagem2bc.png

0000.mlps recognizes all M2TS files linked to the episode, which are 0000.m2ts, 0001.m2ts and etc.

But even if I select one stream (the one 720x480 on the image above), the generated file will use 00020.m2ts for example, which is not from the episode but the extra feature (that is not using multi-angle). Which tells me that the other M2TS files were ignored.

Selecting 0000.m2ts on TSMuxer (alone) instead of 0000.mlps will not help either. The generated file will still have the issue described above:

Both angles and video streams embedded in those files are merging with each other when they should stay put unless asked by the player. I noticed when the playback is wrong that we can see for a couple of seconds the old/new effects at the same time, as if we were seeing two videos at once, one trying to take control of the other.

[rik1138]

But even if I select one stream (the one 720x480 on the image above), the generated file will use 00020.m2ts for example, which is not from the episode but the extra feature (that is not using multi-angle). Which tells me that the other M2TS files were ignored.


No, 00020.m2ts is part of the feature. The feature episode is 00000.m2ts through 00024.m2ts. Try unselecting the 720x480 track, selecting the 1920 track, DTS and maybe the first subtitle and mux it. If that does something weird, select Create Blu-ray Disc instead of M2TS muxing and see if that works. That's what I did and got a perfect M2TS (in the STREAM folder) of the episode with new effects. I'm not sure how to tell TSMuxer to use the second angle...

The 720x480 video is the PiP stream, you can probably just omit that all together. Also, the error TSMuxer gives about an unrecognized track I believe is the audio for the PiP stream. I always get that error from TSMuxer when I open a PlayList with a PiP... You might try an episode from another disc and see if that error goes away, just out of curiosity.

I did forget about 00209.m2ts. That's the Majel Barrett 'In memory of' card that's just tacked onto the end of the episode. can you tell ClownBD to ignore that one piece? That might be where the video bitrate differences are occurring (that card was encoded separately from the feature video itself, so it doesn't match the rest of the video in terms of bitrate...)

It is weird that you are getting pieces of both angles playing back at once... Can you use ClownBD (never used, not sure) to open PlayList 00000.mpls, and physically remove the .m2ts files it's not going to use (00001, 00004, etc) from the STREAM directory? Try the conversion then and see if you still get any Original effect shots. If the software can't find the m2ts files, it seems like it would be impossible for it to mess that up...

(Also, Subtitle track #14 (the second English) is just the pop-on graphics that appear when watching the PiP stream, you probably don't need that, unless you want those...)

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@Lincoln Burreows

This will be my last post to this thread because it's becoming obvious that you are either a very poor reader or are intnentionally tapdancing around what I've suggested:

I said 2) If you wish to make a backup copies of episodes each containing ONLY ONE ANGLE, simply rip your original BluRay disc with ONLY "MakeMKV" (Do NOT run AnyDVD HD). You can do this for each episode for each angle.

You now say in response2) Error reading the mounted ISO (with Keep Protection enabled and AnyDVD disabled)

What don't you understand about using your ORIGINAL BluRay disc (NOT an ISO) and NOT having AnyDVD involved in ANY way - not even "Keep Protection"?

[rik1138]

Have you tried MakeMKV on all the discs? According to the forums on the developer's website there's still problems with MakeMKV seeing all the files/episodes on all of the discs... So it may not be a complete solution yet...

[Lincoln Burrows]

Sorry, I forgot to explain that I don't have the original discs anymore, only the ISOs created with "Keep Protection" enabled and the other settings before (Enable BD support, Disable BD-Live, Remove BD region Code - A - that I assume were all enabled again by using this "Keep Protection" alternative). Is that's the only way to solve this mess? Because if it is, then it's GAME OVER.

TMT player worked/recognized the mounted ISO only in Windows Vista, using AnyDVD to decrypt on-the-fly. You forgot to tell me that if anyone attempts to use MakeMKV (or any other program for that matter) on Windows XP, I believe it will not be capable of reading any original Blu-ray disc on the drive (or mounted ISO if AnyDVD is not enabled), since Windows XP can't recognize the UDF filesystem (threats like if a invalid disc was in the drive). The mounted ISO and its folders were accessible on Windows Vista right away.

P.S. MakeMKV returned the same error on Vista for the mounted ISO with AnyDVD disabled:

MakeMKV v1.4.9 beta win(x86-release) started
Using direct disc access mode
Can't read AACS VID from disc - most likely current AACS host certificate is revoked by your drive
The volume key is unknown for this disc - video can't be decrypted
Failed to open disc :(

[rik1138]

Sorry, I forgot to explain to you that I don't have the original discs anymore, only the ISOs created with "Keep Protection" enabled and the other settings before (Enable BD support, Disable BD-Live, Remove BD region Code - A - that I assume were all enabled again by using this "Keep Protection" alternative). Is that's the only way to solve this mess? Because if it is, then it's GAME OVER.

Hmm, probably shouldn't have said that... Piracy is quite frowned upon here... that'll probably get the thread locked... (Read the forum rules)

[Lincoln Burrows]

Hmm, probably shouldn't have said that... Piracy is quite frowned upon here... that'll probably get the thread locked... (Read the forum rules)There's no piracy here, I said I don't have the original discs anymore, not that I obtained them illegally. ;)

AnyDVD should be the only tool required to decrypt or deal with those discs. Saying that we need to use MakeMKV with AnyDVD disabled just to copy the files to the HDD is new to me.

I wish there are no more releases like that, because if there are, then I will be very pissed when I found one, cause I hate using PowerDVD/TMT to play anything. MPC was capable of playing individual M2TS files and that was enough for me to watch those videos without any need to convert into Matroska.

It seems that wasn't enough for Star Trek: TOS, so we need to test dozens of different programs and settings until we figure out a secret way to solve this mess...

[rik1138]

There's no piracy here, I said I don't have the original discs anymore, not that I obtained them illegally. ;)


Do you still personally _OWN_ the original Star Trek TOS Blu-ray discs? If not, then it _IS_ illegal for you to keep copies of them.

That's called piracy.

It's illegal to buy, rent or borrow Blu-ray discs (or DVDs or CDs), copy them to your computer and then return/sell the discs. That's stealing.

If you don't have the original discs, you can _NOT_ keep the content of the discs, period (legally, that is...).

[Lincoln Burrows]

Do you still personally _OWN_ the original Star Trek TOS Blu-ray discs? If not, then it _IS_ illegal for you to keep copies of them.How do you think I used the Keep Protection option in the first place? :rolleyes:

I spent almost one entire day generating those ISOs with the original discs all over again because of that problem (each one of 7 took me 80 minutes).

I was (about to) give all discs to another person next to me which uses PS3 because my intent was to watch them only on my computer, not on any standalone player. Seeing what's going on here I will try to have them returned.

And not only watching on PC, I am keeping a copy of my entire collection for archival purposes (I remember saying that I am saving all those files on external drives to be used only if the original/internal HDD copies are gone). By fear of losing something (one of my old HDDs even died last month). But I wasn't going to store anything unless I was 100% sure that it was going to work. Oh, well... :(

[Lincoln Burrows]

You might try an episode from another disc and see if that error goes away, just out of curiosity.There you go! :eek:

That's the answer! Another disc (5) was tested and all episodes, using or not special effects (changing angles) on TMT (reading the decrypted folder), are playing just fine. MPC-HC can do that either on individual M2TS (unfortunatelly VC-1 files are not 100% on XP, but this time there is no sight of both angles trying to takeover).

Can I assume the disc 4 is faulty? But if that's the case, then why are we able to watch the affected episode when not decrypted (mounted ISO, Keep Protection enabled + AnyDVD)?

And the strange thing is that disc 5 have at least 3 different episodes, each one with two angles. How come is this possible??!!

[rik1138]

How do you think I used the Keep Protection option in the first place? :rolleyes:


Oh, I knew you had the originals at one time, but when you said:
I don't have the original discs anymore, only the ISOs
and that if you had to go back to the original discs it was "Game over", that really makes it sound like you don't have access to the discs anymore (like you borrowed them/rented them, etc...) I was just advising you that saying stuff like that could get the thread locked...


Can I assume the disc 4 is faulty? But if that's the case, then why are we able to watch the affected episode when not decrypted (mounted ISO, Keep Protection enabled + AnyDVD)?

And the strange thing is that disc 5 have at least 3 different episodes, each one with two angles. How come is this possible??!!

Well, every episode on every disc has two angles. The main difference with disc 4 and the first episode on disc 1 (Amok Time) are the PiP streams. Try ripping the first episode of Disc 1 and see if it gives you the same problems you are having with the tribbles episode. I bet it's the PiP stream that's messing up the ripping/converting tools. (PlayList 00001.mpls, it should be m2ts files 00000 through 00021.)

[Lincoln Burrows]

Well, every episode on every disc has two angles. The main difference with disc 4 and the first episode on disc 1 (Amok Time) are the PiP streams. Try ripping the first episode of Disc 1 and see if it gives you the same problems you are having with the tribbles episode. I bet it's the PiP stream that's messing up the ripping/converting tools. (PlayList 00001.mpls, it should be m2ts files 00000 through 00021.)All episodes, including "Amok Time" on disc 1 are also fine. No playback issues.

I have created one AnyDVD log from disc 4.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HD4XK910

Maybe that log can tell why there's a problem with this episode.

I will attempt now to decrypt, once again, this disc 4 ISO. This time I am going to use "Decrypt to DVD-Video" instead of saving into another ISO (decrypted) and only then extracting with PowerISO.

[rik1138]

0.03s: read physical failed, sense 5:24:0
Maybe it is a bad disc... Not sure what that means.

[Edit] Nevermind, according to Sly that's normal...

[Lincoln Burrows]

WTF? :eek:

Disc 4 is now normal on TMT, decrypted. How's that possible?

Let's retrace my steps.


FIRST ATTEMPT (WHERE ALL PROBLEMS BEGIN)


1) Blu-ray/disc 4 on the drive (not mounted, it's the original disc), AnyDVD-HD enabled. Decrypting on ISO container with no Keep Protection enabled, but removing region code (A), disabling BD-Live and enabling BD support. Also not selecting "removing UOPs".

2) ISO created (Rip to Image). PowerISO software open that ISO, and then extracts all contents into a new folder.

3) All programs can't read the TOS episode properly.


SECOND ATTEMPT (WHERE EVERYTHING WAS FINE WITH SOME CONDITIONS)

1) Blu-ray/disc 4 on the drive (not mounted, it's the original disc), AnyDVD-HD enabled. Decrypting on ISO container with Keep Protection enabled, but removing region code (A), disabling BD-Live and enabling BD support. Also not selecting "removing UOPs".

2) ISO created (Rip to Image). Virtual CloneDrive mounts that ISO. AnyDVD-HD is enabled again, in order for me to watch the mounted ISO.

3) All programs can read the TOS episode properly. But that's not how it should be, since we are going to need AnyDVD everytime we need to watch this episode, and we can't convert into Matroska.


THIRD ATTEMPT (WHERE EVERYTHING WAS FINE WITH NO CONDITIONS AS IT SHOULD BE SINCE THE BEGINNING)


1) Blu-ray/disc 4 mounted with Virtual CloneDrive (already ISO with Keep Protection enabled), AnyDVD-HD on.

1.1) Decrypting using the option "Rip Video DVD to HardDisk" instead of (Rip to Image). Doing that, all files will be already extracted, so we don't need to generate a decrypted ISO and then use PowerISO to extracts again (redundancy).

2) No Keep Protection enabled, of course, but removing region code (A), disabling BD-Live and enabling BD support. Also not selecting "removing UOPs".

3) All files/folders recorded.

4) All programs can read the TOS episode properly.


PROBABLE CAUSE FOR THIS WHOLE PROBLEM (I am only guessing):

* PowerISO. Somehow the files extracted were messed (I don't believe this happened in my case since I extracted dozens of different ISOs before and PowerISO extracts all files from the ISOs, it didn't change them, it's like unzipping a compressed file).

* AnyDVD-HD itself. Someone told me that DVDs should NEVER BE decrypted on ISO containers, only using Rip Video DVD to HardDisk. But that doesn't apply for Blu-rays and HD-DVDs, in this case we should always rip them to ISO containers.

I believe this might be a bug on this AnyDVD version, at least on this multi-angle case. You can clearly see that ripping directly instead of putting all files inside a ISO made them work on TMT and MPC.

[rik1138]

only using Rip Video DVD to HardDisk. But that doesn't apply for Blu-rays and HD-DVDs, in this case we should always rip them to ISO containers.

Is that because of the PowerDVD thing? I always use 'Rip to HardDisk' for my Blu-rays instead of ISOs... Other than the need to mount the ISOs for playback, is there a reason to do it one way or the other?

[Lincoln Burrows]

Is that because of the PowerDVD thing? I always use 'Rip to HardDisk' for my Blu-rays instead of ISOs... Other than the need to mount the ISOs for playback, is there a reason to do it one way or the other?I thought at first the "Rip DVD to HardDisk" was only available for DVDs (the option itself says "Rip DVD" not Blu-ray), that's why I extracted the contents of ISOs later with PowerISO, which was redundancy. I took 60 minutes to create those ISOs (decrypted) and more 30 to extract them.

And I also believed the only way to do what the "Rip to HardDisk" was doing, was a copy-paste (control+C and control+V) on the Blu-ray disc/folders from the drive D: while AnyDVD was enabled (something that is not possible on XP since the contents of a Blu-ray disc are not recognized, only on Vista/Windows 7). Since I believed that method to not be reliable (copy-paste), I only used AnyDVD, and like I explained above, only generating ISOs, to be extracted later.

[setarip_old]

To anyone reading this thread, the following statement, made in Post #30 above, is incorrect:something that is not possible on XP since the contents of a Blu-ray disc are not recognized, only on Vista/Windows 7

All that is required under XP is the installation of a UDF 2.50 driver...