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quantum5uicid3
8th December 2009, 13:08
your gonna have to create your own presets, because nobody has taken time to do so yet. putting the preset slider on "slower", change the mode to automated twopass, uncheck the turbo, and entering the bitrate will be pretty damn close to what you were doing before

do what i said in my post above, so you can get all the old junk out of the way. you'll have a fresh new megui with no presets, then use this information to create your own presets based on your needs.

http://mewiki.project357.com/wiki/X264_Settings

you don't need to understand all of it, the default values and the presets built into x264 is all you need to be aware of

here's the settings you need if you want compatibility with a certain device
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=149711

forum king
8th December 2009, 13:13
your gonna have to create your own presets, because nobody has taken time to do so yet. putting the preset slider on "slower", change the mode to automated twopass, uncheck the turbo, and entering the bitrate will be pretty damn close to what you were doing before

do what i said in my post above, so you can get all the old junk out of the way. you'll have a fresh new megui with no presets, then use this information to create your own presets based on your needs.

http://mewiki.project357.com/wiki/X264_Settings

ok as you say dear Sir !!! :)
but if i am right turbo used to be on in the past ,
BTW i am kinna noob in all this , setting it up would be so damn diff for me..
cant i just set it up as it was earlier in the unresticted 2 pass .. i have screenshotts of the 1051 version presets settings,


EDIT also , u said first to install 1056 then ur build ..
do we have to update 1056 first and then install ur build or how ?

also the 1309 x264 is there in ur update should i also replace this with 1360 from x264.nl

please forgive me noobiness , but my head is now aching with all this :P
regards
Glenn

quantum5uicid3
8th December 2009, 13:19
turbo turns the options way down for the first pass. what i'm telling you is that the defaults in conjunction with presets built into x264 really replace the need for sharktooth's presets. setting up x264 is nowhere near as complicated as it was before.

do you even need to hit a specific file size?

kool
8th December 2009, 13:22
a very 1th error I get under Win 7, I have installed as Zathor says

With the newest build it is even easier to install:
1. Install Avisynth 2.5.8 (if not already installed)
2. Extract my build to a new/empty directory
3. Run the program and let it update all necessary files from the development server.
4. Update some files manually (x264.exe, ...)

Error 1: happen when I select all profile and hit on import.

http://i49.tinypic.com/3160nev.png

Error 2: same as error 1

http://i46.tinypic.com/vsm683.png

Error 3 & 4 at the same time when I want to close meGUI.

http://i46.tinypic.com/nlyjcy.png

http://i49.tinypic.com/20az5g8.png

forum king
8th December 2009, 13:24
turbo turns the options way down for the first pass. what i'm telling you is that the defaults in conjunction with presets built into x264 really replace the need for sharktooth's presets. setting up x264 is nowhere near as complicated as it was before.

do you even need to hit a specific file size?yes
actually i am trying to make some dvds and and some HD content to a lower size like around bitrate of 600 to 700..

quantum5uicid3
8th December 2009, 13:27
ok as you say dear Sir !!! :)
but if i am right turbo used to be on in the past ,
BTW i am kinna noob in all this , setting it up would be so damn diff for me..
cant i just set it up as it was earlier in the unresticted 2 pass .. i have screenshotts of the 1051 version presets settings,


EDIT also , u said first to install 1056 then ur build ..
do we have to update 1056 first and then install ur build or how ?

also the 1309 x264 is there in ur update should i also replace this with 1360 from x264.nl

please forgive me noobiness , but my head is now aching with all this :P
regards
Glenn

no

1. uninstall and remove any traces of megui
2. install 1056, but dont even run it (this is just to provide the uninstaller and shortcuts, im lazy)
3. download and install the package of 1057 i put together ( it is fully up to date so no need to copy x264)

forum king
8th December 2009, 13:34
no

1. uninstall and remove any traces of megui
2. install 1056, but dont even run it (this is just to provide the uninstaller and shortcuts, im lazy)
3. download and install the package of 1057 i put together ( it is fully up to date so no need to copy x264)
yupp i have done it like that..
now the issue is how to make a profile which can rip on the same grounds as the unrestrcited 2pass was doing earlier in earlier builds.

quantum5uicid3
8th December 2009, 13:37
like i said before, putting the preset slider on "slower", change the mode to automated twopass, uncheck the turbo, and entering the bitrate will be pretty damn close to what you were doing before. leave turbo checked if you'd like but if your encoding down below 1000kbps, your gonna need to squeeze as much as you can out of it

quantum5uicid3
8th December 2009, 13:43
kool, i had problems with the audio presets as well. thats why i made that package. ru using 32 or 64bit windows 7?

forum king
8th December 2009, 13:53
Thanks Q :)
i donno anything about the options and yes i generally encode below 700 bits almost always :P so if u say it shouls be unticked then it ll be unticked dear Sir :)
what about deblocking strength coz i found thats thew only thing that has changed in this..
in earlier presets it used to be -1:-1 but tyhe default in that lone preset now is 0:0 should i change that..

if u can suggest anything which will be beneficial for ripping on low bit rate and getting good quality then please :)

regards

Glenn

quantum5uicid3
8th December 2009, 14:05
the defaults are all very well rounded at this point. i don't think i would worry about changing anything if i were you. if you would like to tweak, this really explains everything you need to know.
http://mewiki.project357.com/wiki/X264_Settings

I would consider playing with crf, if you don't need to hit an exact file size. it sounds more like you just wanna keep the bitrates pretty low. The problem with using the exact same bitrate for every source is that some are going to be more complex than others. I would consider experimenting with crf values between 25-30(im just guessing,higher crf=lower bitrate), so just keep raising your crf until the video doesn't look good enough to you anymore and then stick with the highest acceptable value.

forum king
8th December 2009, 14:13
the defaults are all very well rounded at this point. i don't think i would worry about changing anything if i were you. if you would like to tweak, this really explains everything you need to know.
http://mewiki.project357.com/wiki/X264_Settings

I would consider playing with crf, if you don't need to hit an exact file size. it sounds more like you just wanna keep the bitrates pretty low. The problem with using the exact same bitrate for every source is that some are going to be more complex than others. I would consider experimenting with crf values between 25-30(im just guessing,higher crf=lower bitrate), so just keep raising your crf until the video doesn't look good enough to you anymore and then stick with the highest acceptable value.

yes you are right ,
now i am getting why same bitrate doesnt give better quality with diff sources.
about deblocking well i guess -1:-1 gives ok results as it has been like that on all SLOWER profiles till date..
abiut the size well i try to make em small with bit rates in the range of 500 on an av for a dvd and for HD i try like 600 to 700.
but yeah my friends always ask me for a smaller size possible LOL

also Turbo is by default on in automated 2pass , you cant unchk it i have just noticed.

nakTT
8th December 2009, 14:18
In order to keep the MeGUI project running I have fixed a few of the problems with the latest version. Most of them are related to the recent changes in the x264 command line syntax and the not updated config gui in MeGUI.

Hopefully Kurtnoise/Sharktooth/... will continue their work on this great program. Kudos to them!

0.3.1.1057 patched build
- [x264Config] add support for weighted P prediction. Requires x264 revision 1327 or higher.
- [x264Config] fix issues with weighted B prediction
- [x264Config] fix an issue where custom profile settings may be lost
- [x264Config] very minor cosmetic changes
- removed the default UAC elevation prompt. Instead it will only be elevated if the app dir or avisynth plugin dir is not writeable
- [Util] + [FileUtil] incompatible xml files (e.g. profiles) will be moved to a backup dir
- fixed the problem of the incompatible x264 profiles. As a result the old B-Pyramid setting will be disabled
- [OSInfo] fixed a problem with the .NET detection
- [MuxStreamControl] preselect language if the filename contains the language name
- [x264Config] fixed a few input validate problems
- [x264Config] the advanced settings will be applied to the command line independent of the advanced settings checkbox
- [x264Config] a few profile settings could not be loaded
- [x264Config] extended input handling
- updatecopier.exe will be called elevated
- [x264Config] disable cabac and mbtree checkbox if setting disabled in profile or preset
- [x264Config] custom command line settings will replace settings in generated command line
- [HDBDStreamExtractor] fixed a crash bug
- [HDBDStreamExtractor] input and output path will be preselected if the window stays open
- [BitrateCalculator] added experimental M2TS support

Patch code is included, full source code can be requested if necessary. I do not know the GPL in every detail. If this is not sufficient please drop me a line and I will upload the full source files.

I did not change the version number for obvious reasons.

Feel free to address other/new problems, but I can not promise that I am able to solve them.

Stable build
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?hj23mmmlmux


Hi Zathor,

First of all I want to thank you for continuing the MeGUI development.

I'm now using Stable Build version of your MeGUI. The first problem that I instantly notice is that when I select "Automated 2pass" in the x264 setting, the checkbox for "Turbo" seems to be checked by default and can't be unchecked. Please advice.

:thanks:

quantum5uicid3
8th December 2009, 14:28
as a workaround, just create the 1st and 2nd pass separately

nakTT
8th December 2009, 14:37
Thanks for the suggestion but I guess I would rather wait for the fix.

:thanks:

rack04
8th December 2009, 14:50
In the Blu-ray profile the default for partitions shouldn't be --partitions all. Also, --profile high is default. In the rate control tab the values for vbv buffer and vbv max bitrate are not passed to command line.

quantum5uicid3
8th December 2009, 15:13
In the Blu-ray profile the default for partitions shouldn't be --partitions all. Also, --profile high is default. In the rate control tab the values for vbv buffer and vbv max bitrate are not passed to command line.

are you sure --partitions all isn't supported by the bluray profile?

the other two problems u mentioned are fixed in the development build

stax76
8th December 2009, 15:19
--partitions all must be supported since RipBot264 uses it for it's Bluray profile.

quantum5uicid3
8th December 2009, 15:23
the reason why it looks like you can't change the vbv options is he set it up to where anything you specify in custom commandline options overides any attempted change in the gui. so the bluray compliancy settings are essentially locked on the profile he created.

rack04
8th December 2009, 15:27
are you sure --partitions all isn't supported by the bluray profile?

the other two problems u mentioned are fixed in the development build

I never said it wasn't supported. I just said that when you select default it retains --partitions all. I would rather the preset dictate when --partitions all is used.

EDIT: Actually I read my post again and can see how you made that assumption.

quantum5uicid3
8th December 2009, 15:31
same thing as vbv, --partitions all is forced in the custom command line.

and --profile high for that matter

Frosty5689
8th December 2009, 18:13
I noticed how megui passes a parameter to neroencaac.exe that creates a fake chapters in the mp4/m4a container. If this could be fixed so it doesn't create fake chapters,it'd help muxing mp4 and uploading to youtube without using mp4box as a cli.

szabi
8th December 2009, 18:19
I use this collection to keep compatibility with different devices. click (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tYGTjNd0dG6P_A9z-YkFzFg&output=html).

Zathor
8th December 2009, 18:35
Waaah, so much postings :cool:

May I know which one U mean by "newest build"? Is it the one at the 1st post or the one at the 2nd page?
I recommend the "development build" but because of the rather big changes compared to the "stable" build there may arise problems. Up to now I do not know about problems.

thanks mate
i have used the latest development build of urs ..
but tell me when i usesd to use 1051 with unrestricted 2 pass profile the settings were that of SLOWER
in mean like this :
program --profile high --pass 2 --bitrate 1000 --stats ".stats" --ref 5 --b-adapt 2 --b-pyramid --direct auto --deblock -1:-1 --trellis 2 --partitions all --me umh --thread-input --output "output" "input"

but in this one ( the new patched 1057 build the settings in that same profile are FAST..
program --profile high --preset fast --pass 2 --bitrate 1000 --stats ".stats" --thread-input --deblock -1:-1 --no-dct-decimate --output "output" "input"

what should be done ( does it mean that in the new megui build and x264 build SLOWER stuff is more faster or i need to drag the slider to slower to get the same settings.. and quality as that of unrestricted 2 pass
Sorry, I did not use 1051 for a very long time. But as i read the changelog correctly the presets have been introduced in 1053 and are in x264 since 1206 (or so). Therefore you will get a different command line with the both MeGUI versions. The default preset setting is medium and therefore the command line created by 1051 will be slower compared to the one from 1057 patched. Additionally "--trellis 2 --partitions all --me umh" affect also speed/quality. If you want to have a high quality profile just use 1057 patched and move the slider to the right (placebo has the best quality / worst speed)

I made a simple installer to hopefully make things easier for people.
Thank you very much. May I request to add the newer eac3to? :)

i used the latest build by Zathor ( the 2nd one ) and installed it in a separate folder..
used unrestricted 2 pass HQ with SLower settings
it will do the first pass and give a STANDARD ERROR STREAM error upon second always..
sometimes the same error on first pass as well..

Please send me the error stream text (per PM for example). I can only fix it if I can reproduce it or I am able to make a educated guess.

a very 1th error I get under Win 7, I have installed as Zathor says

Error 1: happen when I select all profile and hit on import.

Error 2: same as error 1

Error 3 & 4 at the same time when I want to close meGUI.

Thanks for the report. Will try to reproduce (and fix) it later.

I'm now using Stable Build version of your MeGUI. The first problem that I instantly notice is that when I select "Automated 2pass" in the x264 setting, the checkbox for "Turbo" seems to be checked by default and can't be unchecked. Please advice.
I have to check this later, too. At the moment I do not know at which event/setting it should be activated or disabled.

I never said it wasn't supported. I just said that when you select default it retains --partitions all. I would rather the preset dictate when --partitions all is used.
I followed this thread and link in the first post. It looks like --partitions all is required or at least recommended for the BluRay profile. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=149711

Additionally I have added a x264 BluRay profile as an example. The profile is based upon http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=149711 and http://mewiki.project357.com/wiki/X264_Settings. The profile has the goal to fulfill the bluray specs and be playable on most standalone players. A few remarks:
--nal-hrd requires a patched x264
--b-pyramid strict can not be aplied while mbtree is enabled but it should work sometime in the future. Please ignore the warning in the log.

The profile has been created as I understand the profile management should work. Feel free to start a discussion if you think that it should work the other way around. The custom command line "locks" the settings you want to force while you can change the quality/speed with the preset slider. The "advanced settings" tabs have been disabled in order to not confuse the more inexperienced users.

JoeH
8th December 2009, 18:45
You can set MKV as default by going to:

Options>Settings>Extra Config>Configure Auto Encode Default>

And choose the container that you like.

Thanks - I wasn't aware of that and I'll keep it in mind. However, that works for autoencode and is helpful, but it still doesn't change the default on the main screen, which is useful when you are putting multiple items into the Queue. It would still be helpful to be able to set the default (or just have it remember last selected, either way) on the main screen.

forum king
8th December 2009, 18:54
Dear Zathor and Quantum i have a suggestion :

you guys are so good at it and now as the thread is getting so many replies , why dont you guys gradually take over and develop megui builds which are compatible as the big guys are busy, i mean something like a full fledged patch over the latest build which takes care of the major issues.

I can tell you for sure that more than 50% of megui users are suffering since the updates have stopped and since the messups have started..

it took me whole 3 days to figure it out and i am a member since 1 year ..

guys please consider this , i am asking on behalf of all the affected folks.

regards

Glenn :)

i am still testing the second patch of urs dear zathor which quantum has made into a consolidated exe. will revert ....

bluebebe
8th December 2009, 20:41
why are the main developers of megui gone?

Triccotracco
8th December 2009, 21:08
a very 1th error I get under Win 7, I have installed as Zathor says

Error 1: happen when I select all profile and hit on import.

Error 2: same as error 1

following Zathor's instructions:

1. Install Avisynth 2.5.8 (if not already installed)
2. Extract the build to a new/empty directory
3. Run the program and let it update all necessary files from the development server.
4. Update some files manually if needed (x264.exe, ...)

also for me during first execution of Megui's update
I solve this issue restart Megui again forcing the update of "STAudio" restart again Megui and finally update Tx264 & TXviD :confused::confused: .... yes I know a little bit confused procedure but works!

kool
8th December 2009, 21:15
kool, i had problems with the audio presets as well. thats why i made that package. ru using 32 or 64bit windows 7?

32 Bit, and other thing when I checked avisynth plugin directory it was empty, expect 3 avisynth plugin.

Zathor
8th December 2009, 21:56
also for me during first execution of Megui's update
I solve this issue restart Megui again forcing the update of "STAudio" restart again Megui and finally update Tx264 & TXviD :confused::confused: .... yes I know a little bit confused procedure but works!
Problem found and fixed (in the next upload). These two files are simply not at the http://megui.org/auto/ location. I have removed this mirror until the update server is updated. Is someone able to provide a new update server with the latest packages?

Zathor
8th December 2009, 22:08
32 Bit, and other thing when I checked avisynth plugin directory it was empty, expect 3 avisynth plugin.
Which one? The one from avisynth or megui\tools\avisynth_plugins?

a very 1th error I get under Win 7, I have installed as Zathor says

Error 1: happen when I select all profile and hit on import.

Error 2: same as error 1

Error 3 & 4 at the same time when I want to close meGUI.

1 + 2) fixed (forgot to put the MessageBoxExLib.dll in the zip file...)
3 + 4) because of 1+2 the file handle could not be closed and therefore it can not be deleted/written during MeGUI closing ==> fixed

I will upload the new build soon.

stax76
8th December 2009, 22:27
why are the main developers of megui gone?

They didn't made a statement and only few things are known like sharktooth's health condition. Kurtnoise made a statement a while back saying something like like pausing computing generally but never made it true, maybe he made it now true but in this case he would have made another statement probably, I guess he isn't sure atm., he is still reading the forum.

Kurtnoise stopped after the last release which caused a lot problems for many users. I don't know exactly of what nature these problems were but it seemed the way some users reacted might have played a role, users with little support and understanding. If that's true it would be sad for supportive users like Inspector.Gadget. A way to deal with it could be to ignore unhelpful feedback and only support helpful feedback instead.

Zathor
8th December 2009, 23:21
Here is a small feature request. I always ouput MKV files, but MeGUI always defaults to MP4 on the main screen. It would be great if MeGUI would save the last selected format, or had an option to set the default.

It will now save the last used format.

The first problem that I instantly notice is that when I select "Automated 2pass" in the x264 setting, the checkbox for "Turbo" seems to be checked by default and can't be unchecked. :

Fixed.

New build has been uploaded:

- [MeGUISettings] removed the http://megui.org/auto/ update server
- [VideoEncodingComponent] + [MeGUISettings] added file format saving
- [x264ConfigurationPanel] Turbo mode can be changed in automated 2 or 3 pass

Because I did not receive any negative feedback regarding the development build I have deleted the "stable" build.

Zathor
8th December 2009, 23:28
I noticed how megui passes a parameter to neroencaac.exe that creates a fake chapters in the mp4/m4a container. If this could be fixed so it doesn't create fake chapters,it'd help muxing mp4 and uploading to youtube without using mp4box as a cli.

Can you please describe the problem in more detail? I do not use neroencaac.exe and a more detailed explanation (like the wrong parameter) should make it easier for me to fix the problem.

prOnorama
9th December 2009, 00:11
- [VideoEncodingComponent] + [MeGUISettings] added file format saving

Great, this works now it remembers your last setting for file format :)

Every setting I tried works from the main x264 configuration GUI except I'm still having a problem setting a value for rc-lookahead (doesn't show up in command line at all)

rack04
9th December 2009, 03:48
Can you update meGUI to support the new combined DGIndexNV? The way it is set up now you have to specify a path to DGAVCIndex, DGVC1Index, and DGMPGIndex. Now there is only DGIndexNV.

nakTT
9th December 2009, 06:04
New build has been uploaded

Because I did not receive any negative feedback regarding the development build I have deleted the "stable" build.
Anyone know what is the safest way to put the new build on top of my current build ("stable" build)?


:thanks:

nakTT
9th December 2009, 06:18
They didn't made a statement and only few things are known like sharktooth's health condition. Kurtnoise made a statement a while back saying something like like pausing computing generally but never made it true, maybe he made it now true but in this case he would have made another statement probably, I guess he isn't sure atm., he is still reading the forum.

Kurtnoise stopped after the last release which caused a lot problems for many users. I don't know exactly of what nature these problems were but it seemed the way some users reacted might have played a role, users with little support and understanding. If that's true it would be sad for supportive users like Inspector.Gadget. A way to deal with it could be to ignore unhelpful feedback and only support helpful feedback instead.
Oh! Sad to hear that. What about him? Anyway, I hope he will get better soon.


:thanks:

Zathor
9th December 2009, 06:29
Every setting I tried works from the main x264 configuration GUI except I'm still having a problem setting a value for rc-lookahead (doesn't show up in command line at all)
As soon as I change the value for "Nb. of Frames for Lockahead" the change is shown in the command line. Therefore I can not reproduce your problem. Can you explain the problem in more detail?

Can you update meGUI to support the new combined DGIndexNV? The way it is set up now you have to specify a path to DGAVCIndex, DGVC1Index, and DGMPGIndex. Now there is only DGIndexNV.
The main problem is that I do not have a license for the DGDecNV tool. If the commands have not changed between the old 3 tools version and now it should be possible. I cannot promise that I am able to change it.

Anyone know what is the safest way to put the new build on top of my current build ("stable" build)?
Create a backup of your MeGUI folder (in case something goes wrong) and copy the new files into the original directory.

Triccotracco
9th December 2009, 06:36
Can you please describe the problem in more detail? I do not use neroencaac.exe and a more detailed explanation (like the wrong parameter) should make it easier for me to fix the problem.

The same for me, not a big problem in my workflow. BTW when for example I load the .mp4 audio file in a gui like mkvmerge i see two, let me say, parts: the correct aac audio track & also this fake chapter. Not a big problem because with mkvmerge yuo can disable the fake chapter & then muxing mormally. For sure some mounths ago this strange stuff doesn't heppend.

Thankyou guys for all!

quantum5uicid3
9th December 2009, 09:41
i also confirm the --rc-lookahead issue still exists here on xp sp3 .net 3.5. what information do you need?



...reworking....

Zathor
9th December 2009, 11:14
i also confirm the --rc-lookahead issue still exists here on xp sp3 .net 3.5. what information do you need?
Which value do you would like to set and so on. At the moment I can confirm that a value of 40 will never be displayed regardless of the preset level. This is wrong and will be fixed. All other values should be shown in the command line (if it is not the default value of the preset). Please enter for example 41 and it should be visible.

quantum5uicid3
9th December 2009, 12:14
no it doesn't matter what it's set to, ive tried a wide variety of values

Zathor
9th December 2009, 14:54
no it doesn't matter what it's set to, ive tried a wide variety of values
Strange, can you send me please the profile with the problem?

nakTT
9th December 2009, 15:05
- [MeGUISettings] removed the http://megui.org/auto/ update server
- [VideoEncodingComponent] + [MeGUISettings] added file format saving
- [x264ConfigurationPanel] Turbo mode can be changed in automated 2 or 3 pass

Because I did not receive any negative feedback regarding the development build I have deleted the "stable" build.
Can you do this for audio file format as well?

:thanks:

Zathor
9th December 2009, 15:44
Can you do this for audio file format as well?

:thanks:
Give somebody an inch, and he will take a mile :p

JoeH
9th December 2009, 15:54
It will now save the last used format.

Thanks so much! :thanks::thanks::thanks:

JoeH
9th December 2009, 16:15
i made a couple more packages. to maybe make things easier. (full installer. creates shortcuts and uninstaller)
Lite (just megui, no tools) (http://www.constructd.com/megui/megui1057_zathorpatched_lite.exe)
Full (all tools updated beyond current update server) (http://www.constructd.com/megui/megui1057_zathorpatched.exe)


Thanks. It works great - I love the idea of having all the updated tools included.

When I installed it, the tools "oggenc2", "STX264", and "TXviD" all still asked to update. I updated oggenc2, but as I imagine the profiles you included are probably more updated than the ones included in STX264 and TXvid I downloaded them (to get rid of the "update" question) but did not install any of the profiles. I don't know if it is possible to avoid those tools not appeariing as updated, but I thought I'd mention it in case.

kool
9th December 2009, 16:24
Which one? The one from avisynth or megui\tools\avisynth_plugins?


Avisynth.


I will upload the new build soon.

Did you updated yet?

nakTT
9th December 2009, 16:37
Give somebody an inch, and he will take a mile :p
:D silly me.