BD-5 Quality

[ricoman]

My buddy has a BD burner but no standalone, I have a BD standalone but no writer. So, he borrowed Casino Royale BD from me to experiment with BDrebuilder. He lent the burned compressed DVD-5 for me to try on my standalone and I was completely blown away by the fantastic quality that he got on a DVD-5. First JD, I'd like to commend you on the great job you did with DVDRB, just awesome. When I examined the disc I noticed it was an iso image of a BD file, so I tried copying it with my regular DVD burner and it worked great, no problems. My question is now, could I get away with just buying a BD reader to rip to my hard drive (I have anydvd), make an iso to burn with my DVD burner, or must I have a BD burner for some reason? I am more than happy with the quality of the DVD-5, it is better than many of the manufactured BD movies that I have bought and 95+% of the quality of of the original Casino Royale BD which is a near reference quality BD disc. Again, thanks for the terrific work you've done on this software, I am positively shocked at how good the DVD-5 looked and how well it played on my standalone BD player. And for the record, I watched it on a 50" Sony display, so if there were any flaws, I would certainly have seen them, I was blown away at the PQ.:thanks:
JD, I apparently posted this in the wrong thread, I was looking for the BDRebuilder forum. Could you please move it. Sorry.

[jdobbs]

You only need a BD burner if you want to output to BD-25. If your standalone player supports BD-5/9 -- you can do pretty much any disc with just a reader. Most movie-only encodes are fine on a BD-5. But you probably need to do BD-9 for full backups.

The downside to not having a BD burner is that there are other players out there that don't support BD-5/9 -- while BD-25 will work on any/all players.

[Dark Shikari]

While BD-RB is great, it's x264 that does the encoding, not BD-RB ;)

[ricoman]

While BD-RB is great, it's x264 that does the encoding, not BD-RB ;)
Yes, and a great job to you too. It's kinda like an academy awards speach, I don't want to leave anyone out.;) Great job by all. Thanks.

[denret]

Yes, I too agree that BD Rebuilder is a break-though.

I'd like to ask a question of the experts: If I go with a BD9 rather than BD5 for a "Movie Only" version, will it speed up the rebuilding time?

[nurbs]

No. Higher bitrate leads to longer encoding times.

[Dark Shikari]

Of course, at higher bitrates, you can get away with faster encoding settings...

[denret]

This reason I asked is that when I rebuild a BD 25, it completes in about 1.5 hrs, and when I do a BD5, its way out there....something in excess of 12 hrs....I thought maybe if isn't compressed so much, it might run faster.

[writersblock29]

@Denret

1.5 hours? It sounds like your source is already a BD-25. BDRB doesn't re-encode if the source already fits the target (unless you have it re-encoding audio tracks, but the video to my understanding is left alone*). Considering that my own system takes anywhere from 30-60 minutes to rip the original to my hard drive via AnyDVDHD, it sounds reasonable for BDRB to take an hour and a half to extract streams, re-encode audio, and piece it all back together.

*As always, if I've said something inaccurate, please correct me.

[jdobbs]

@Denret

1.5 hours? It sounds like your source is already a BD-25. BDRB doesn't re-encode if the source already fits the target (unless you have it re-encoding audio tracks, but the video to my understanding is left alone*). Considering that my own system takes anywhere from 30-60 minutes to rip the original to my hard drive via AnyDVDHD, it sounds reasonable for BDRB to take an hour and a half to extract streams, re-encode audio, and piece it all back together.

*As always, if I've said something inaccurate, please correct me. I think he must be speaking of an encode "after" it is ripped to disc. My system isn't that incredible, and it will do a BD-25 (using the "High Speed (BD-25)" option) movie-only in a couple of hours.

[Capsbackup]

My I7 920, 2.67GHz, with BD Rebuilder v0.30.02 (beta), just encoded a 1:40:00 movie only to BD5 with High Quality (Default) setting, in 3:50. Since I think the quality looks great and finished file size is almost always 4.25GB to 4.29GB , I am convinced to use this setting.:)

[denret]

It would seem that BD Rebuilder has some real variables from machine to machine.

On my notebook with Vista/64, I didn't install ffdshow or Matroska, and it still seems to rebuild fine, albeit kind of slow. On my desktop Vista/32 I can't get past the extracting sequence. I get an "encoder failure" and abort every time.

Anyone have any suggestions about the Vista/32????

[GaPony]

I'm not sure how you're getting much done without the applications that BD-Rebuilder requires be installed... They are listed as required for a reason.

[Groucho2004]

On my notebook with Vista/64, I didn't install ffdshow or Matroska, and it still seems to rebuild fine

Some magic at work here...

[jdobbs]

It would seem that BD Rebuilder has some real variables from machine to machine.

On my notebook with Vista/64, I didn't install ffdshow or Matroska, and it still seems to rebuild fine, albeit kind of slow. On my desktop Vista/32 I can't get past the extracting sequence. I get an "encoder failure" and abort every time.

Anyone have any suggestions about the Vista/32????That just means some other software you have installed has already installed FFDSHOW and Matroska. It's also possible that some other CODEC/Media splitter combination has been installed. But BD-RB won't work without something to interpret and/or decode AVC, MPEG-2, and VC-1.

[denret]

JDobbs

Thanks for the response. A little more info since my last post...I in fact can use BD RB and decode in the BD-25 mode on the Desktop Vista/32. I worked a BD-25 from beginning to end. Went smooth without Matroska or ffdshow installed. Its just the BD-5 that goes into abort.

I'll install the other two pieces of software now and let you know the results.

The laptop Vista/64 does both BD-5's and BD-25's end to end and the disks play beautifully with only AVIsynth installed.

[denret]

Follow up.........I installed Matroska and ffdshow, and followed the instructions verbatim. Still no success trying to rebuild BD5 or BD9's on a Vista 32 system. BD25 rebuildign works great.

BD5 goes through extraction process, but always aborts on encoding function.