Build a NLE PC

[BillB]

I just found this article about building a NLE PC for heavy duty video editig.

http://www.videoguys.com/Guide/E/Videoguys+System+recommendations+for+Video+Editing/0x4aebb06ba071d2b6a2cd784ce243a6c6.aspx

Enjoy!

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Sorry for the amature article Guys! I didn't know!
B

[smok3]

nice try, but, but
a. is there a single original thought in that arcitle?
b. is there even a note about possible workflows? (you will configure things for specific workflow, say if you edit news then final cut pro is pretty useless, one would use sony vegas, ect...)
c. so they heard something about raid? why not raid5 then?
d. what mac are they talking about exactly? this one maybe: http://ohlssonvox.8k.com/fdd_raid.htm (it has raid)
e. nm, i can tear apart sentence by sentence

uf, i could write an anti-article actually... :devil: (how not to build you nle)

p.s. lmao @ get a dell, sure i could if:
- i was in US (where they are kind enough to ship), yes i had an refreshing conversation with their online chatty assistants (here name was Michele, imagine that :)), she said my best bet is to get a friend from US, cute :)
- if i was not in US and was dumb enough to buy 1 year old system for a totally fresh price

[Blue_MiSfit]

If you want a heavy duty system, the MacPro is an amazingly good value.

That's assuming you live in the US, however :)

Otherwise something built on the Core i7 CPU and an x58 motherboard is a guaranteed home run.

Also, Windows 7 x64 is the only choice!!!

~MiSfit

[Ghitulescu]

I wouldn't definitively buy a PC from Dell or HP.

Simply because they use special hardware, which means you have to upgrade everything from them, including the software and/or drivers. And if they decide to drop the support for XP you'll be catched with Vista which is a big no no for editing (or you have to unDRM it). I don't know windows 7, but every new windows was worse in DRM.

The hardware is not always different but it uses special PCI identifiers you have to tackle with. Also, if you look into RC-1 firmware pages, you'll always see a warning for Dell/HP/SUN drives.

I use a Toshiba laptop, and it took me 6 weeks until I've found all the drivers for XP, and the sound still has some issues (it works with the original software only). So beware!

The major producers of integrated hardware solutions (HP, Dell, SUN etc.) are no longer producing open standards PCs, just custom-taylored ones, so if they have a sales hit, then they'll catch you for good, because you have to buy everything from them (monopole position).

So I would go at a good resaler, find a good deal on MB/CPU/memory, find a good power supply (here's a secret hint - most people do not know to pick up a power supply), a well-ventilated case, and of course a good [semi]pro video aquisition card if you intend to do captures. Round this with a good Premiere system and with some authoring software, live happy.

[BillB]

If you want a heavy duty system, the MacPro is an amazingly good value.

That's assuming you live in the US, however :)

Otherwise something built on the Core i7 CPU and an x58 motherboard is a guaranteed home run.

Also, Windows 7 x64 is the only choice!!!

~MiSfit
Seem lots of people like W7 but it does not offer the Classic Setting XP and Vista have, and that is all I ever used. I find it much faster doing work that way instead of with all the bells and whistles and dogs and cats, etc.

X58 Mother Board? Please explain that!

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[BillB]

I wouldn't definitively buy a PC from Dell or HP.

Simply because they use special hardware, which means you have to upgrade everything from them, including the software and/or drivers. And if they decide to drop the support for XP you'll be catched with Vista which is a big no no for editing (or you have to unDRM it). I don't know windows 7, but every new windows was worse in DRM.

The hardware is not always different but it uses special PCI identifiers you have to tackle with. Also, if you look into RC-1 firmware pages, you'll always see a warning for Dell/HP/SUN drives.

I use a Toshiba laptop, and it took me 6 weeks until I've found all the drivers for XP, and the sound still has some issues (it works with the original software only). So beware!

The major producers of integrated hardware solutions (HP, Dell, SUN etc.) are no longer producing open standards PCs, just custom-taylored ones, so if they have a sales hit, then they'll catch you for good, because you have to buy everything from them (monopole position).

So I would go at a good resaler, find a good deal on MB/CPU/memory, find a good power supply (here's a secret hint - most people do not know to pick up a power supply), a well-ventilated case, and of course a good [semi]pro video aquisition card if you intend to do captures. Round this with a good Premiere system and with some authoring software, live happy.




If it is OK with the Boss here, could you em me with some parts names?

I agree VISTA is not that good for much of anything and I have had problems trying freeware editors, etc. I might go back to XP Pro, because W7 doesn't offer the Classic User Settings any longer, just the Kiddy Version. UGH! I hate all the bells and whistles.

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[smok3]

i'am geting entry level mac pro (with esata lacie card) + lacie raid 5 external thingy, should be here in 7 days, thank you dell for your cooperation.

p.s. hopefully it comes with the new snow pussycat, actually forgot to ask that...

[Blue_MiSfit]

Sweet :) enjoy your MacPro!

I'm wary of LaCie stuff ever since two of their BigDisks died on me... both were 1TB RAID0 arrays (2x500gb) and both cost over $5000 to recover data from :(

BTW, x58 refers to the motherboard chipset. x58 is an Intel chipset that initially launched with the Core i7. It's currently the only available chipset for the Core i7, but this will change soon with the P55.

Also, the Aero Glass UI in Windows 7 is actually faster than the old classic UI, provided you have a remotely decent graphics card. This is because everything happens through Direct3D, and much of the work is offloaded from the CPU to the GPU. Call it bells and whistles if you want, but its a significant improvement in performance, and an even bigger leap in usability / organization. The new taskbar with Aero Peek is really amazing. I can't stand using XP and Vista anymore. Juggling windows and tons of open applications is so much easier on Windows 7.


Simply because they use special hardware, which means you have to upgrade everything from them, including the software and/or drivers.


Um... no. Standards exist for a reason, and you can quite easily install PCI / PCIe cards, memory, hard drives or optical drives from any manufacturer into an OEM PC. It's true that sometimes drivers aren't available for outdated operating systems, but that's not always the case. Most of the time if you know anything about what hardware is in the PC, you can use generic / reference drivers and have no issues.

Finally... all this FUD about DRM in the operating system really irritates me. Give me one real-world example of a situation in which "DRM" in Windows prevented you from doing something.

Or just keep using an 8 year old operating system that's on life support... :D Y'all sound like the mac users who didn't want to upgrade to OS X when it became mature.

~MiSfit

[davidmoore]

Seem lots of people like W7 but it does not offer the Classic Setting XP and Vista have, and that is all I ever used. I find it much faster doing work that way instead of with all the bells and whistles and dogs and cats, etc.

X58 Mother Board? Please explain that!

B

X58 is the chipset that the motherboards equiped with LGA1366 sockets use currently.

If it is OK with the Boss here, could you em me with some parts names?

I agree VISTA is not that good for much of anything and I have had problems trying freeware editors, etc. I might go back to XP Pro, because W7 doesn't offer the Classic User Settings any longer, just the Kiddy Version. UGH! I hate all the bells and whistles.

B

I haven't had any issues with Vista or W7. If the reason you're going back to XP Pro is because it has the classic interface, it sounds like you'll be one of those guys that still uses windows 3.1 because the interface is more 'user friendly'.

[Ghitulescu]

Um... no. Standards exist for a reason, and you can quite easily install PCI / PCIe cards, memory, hard drives or optical drives from any manufacturer into an OEM PC. It's true that sometimes drivers aren't available for outdated operating systems, but that's not always the case. Most of the time if you know anything about what hardware is in the PC, you can use generic / reference drivers and have no issues.

If you still do believe in the competition, have a look on google for laptop, vista and windows xp.

Of course the hardware is somehow standardized, but they have altered ids (http://pciids.sourceforge.net/) so windows will refuse to install the generic drivers, even if it's the same hardware. So you have to identify with the maximum precision the components (nVidia 7600 is not enough), obtain the corresponding generic/equivalent drivers, get them unpacked on the HDD (which sometimes is a big problem as they come packed with an installer that checks the system and refuses to install on a different system, "we love the competition"), edit the configuration of the installer by hand to suit your hardware, run the installer and pray. And you have to repeat the steps for each drivers' update. And you can't ask for support (which you paid for) and you can also loose the warranty.

On the other hand, if you build your own system, you'll have components that have "regular" pciids, so you can use all the available drivers, even against the wish of MicroSoft.