Does MP4 support subtitles ?

[Betsy25]

Hi,

No matter how I try to create an MP4 file (using MeGUI), I add subtitle file (.srt) but the PS3 never detects them.

I have attached the MeGUI log file, could someone please help me out WHY the subtitles are not available on PS3 ?

[Information] Log
-[Information] Versions
--[NoImage] MeGUI Version : 0.3.1.1050
--[NoImage] OS : Windows XP Professional x86 SP3 (5.1.196608.2600)
--[NoImage] Framework used : 2.0 SP1 (2.0.50727.3082)
-[Information] Hardware
--[NoImage] CPU : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz
-[Information] AutoEncode job generation log
-[Information] AutoEncode job generation log
--[NoImage] Desired Size : 700 MB
--[NoImage] Split Size : null
--[Information] Eliminating duplicate filenames
---[NoImage] Video output file: F:\Mijn De Funes films DEEL 2\2009-07-16 - Pouic Pouic DVDShrink\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.264
---[NoImage] File already exists. New video output filename: F:\Mijn De Funes films DEEL 2\2009-07-16 - Pouic Pouic DVDShrink\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1_0.264
---[NoImage] Muxed output file: F:\Mijn De Funes films DEEL 2\2009-07-16 - Pouic Pouic DVDShrink\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1-muxed.mp4
---[NoImage] Encodable audio stream 0: F:\Mijn De Funes films DEEL 2\2009-07-16 - Pouic Pouic DVDShrink\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1 T80 2_0ch 192Kbps DELAY 0ms.m4a
-[Information] Log for job6 (audio, VTS_01_1 T80 2_0ch 192Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3 -> VTS_01_1 T80 2_0ch 192Kbps DELAY 0ms.m4a)
--[Information] [16/07/2009 19:29:38] Started handling job
--[Information] [16/07/2009 19:29:38] Preprocessing
--[NoImage] Avisynth script
---[NoImage] NicAc3Source("F:\Mijn De Funes films DEEL 2\2009-07-16 - Pouic Pouic DVDShrink\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1 T80 2_0ch 192Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3")
---[NoImage] return last
--[NoImage] Commandline used: -q 160 --mpeg-vers 4 -o "{0}" -
--[Information] [16/07/2009 19:29:38] Encoding started
--[Information] [16/07/2009 19:29:38] Encode thread started
--[Information] [16/07/2009 19:29:38] Avisynth script environment opened
--[Information] [16/07/2009 19:29:38] Script loaded
--[Information] Output Decoder
---[NoImage] Channels: 2
---[NoImage] Bits per sample: 32
---[NoImage] Sample rate: 48000
--[NoImage] Commandline: C:\Program Files\megui\tools\faac\faac.exe -q 160 --mpeg-vers 4 -o "F:\Mijn De Funes films DEEL 2\2009-07-16 - Pouic Pouic DVDShrink\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1 T80 2_0ch 192Kbps DELAY 0ms.m4a" -
--[Information] [16/07/2009 19:29:38] Encoder process started
--[NoImage] Output from encoder via stdout
---[NoImage] Freeware Advanced Audio Coder
---[NoImage] FAAC 1.28
---[NoImage] Quantization quality: 160
---[NoImage] Bandwidth: 23200 Hz
---[NoImage] Object type: Low Complexity(MPEG-4) + M/S
---[NoImage] Container format: MPEG-4 File Format (MP4)
---[NoImage] Encoding - to F:\Mijn De Funes films DEEL 2\2009-07-16 - Pouic Pouic DVDShrink\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1 T80 2_0ch 192Kbps DELAY 0ms.m4a
---[NoImage] frame | bitrate | elapsed/estim | play/CPU | ETA
---[NoImage] 234198/234198 (100%)| 139.6 | 678.6/678.6 | 7.36x | 0.0
--[Information] [16/07/2009 19:40:57] Postprocessing
--[Information] [16/07/2009 19:40:57] Job completed
-[Information] Log for job7 (video, VTS_01_1.avs -> )
--[Information] [16/07/2009 19:40:57] Started handling job
--[Information] [16/07/2009 19:40:57] Preprocessing
---[Information] Bitrate calculation for video
----[NoImage] Desired size after subtracting audio: 629437KBs
----[NoImage] Calculated desired bitrate: 1032kbit/s
--[NoImage] Job commandline: "C:\Program Files\megui\tools\x264\x264.exe" --profile high --pass 1 --bitrate 1032 --stats "F:\Mijn De Funes films DEEL 2\2009-07-16 - Pouic Pouic DVDShrink\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1_0.stats" --level 4.1 --ref 1 --no-mixed-refs --b-adapt 2 --direct auto --subme 2 --no-chroma-me --trellis 0 --partitions none --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 24000 --vbv-maxrate 24000 --qcomp 0.5 --me dia --merange 12 --thread-input --sar 1:1 --output NUL "F:\Mijn De Funes films DEEL 2\2009-07-16 - Pouic Pouic DVDShrink\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.avs"
--[Information] [16/07/2009 19:40:58] Encoding started
--[NoImage] Standard output stream
--[NoImage] Standard error stream
---[NoImage] avis [info]: 688x400 @ 25.00 fps (124906 frames)
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: using SAR=1/1
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 Cache64
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: profile Main, level 4.1
---[NoImage]
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: slice I:785 Avg QP:23.44 size: 22683
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: slice P:47913 Avg QP:24.36 size: 8113
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: slice B:76208 Avg QP:25.31 size: 3100
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: consecutive B-frames: 2.7% 22.7% 70.3% 4.2%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: mb I I16..4: 23.7% 0.0% 76.3%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: mb P I16..4: 14.1% 0.0% 0.0% P16..4: 68.2% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% skip:17.7%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: mb B I16..4: 2.2% 0.0% 0.0% B16..8: 34.0% 0.0% 0.0% direct:15.1% skip:48.7% L0:22.9% L1:49.1% BI:27.9%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: final ratefactor: 20.76
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: direct mvs spatial:99.5% temporal:0.5%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: coded y,uvDC,uvAC intra:66.7% 7.0% 1.2% inter:24.1% 1.0% 0.0%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: kb/s:1029.2
---[NoImage] encoded 124906 frames, 50.46 fps, 1029.28 kb/s
--[Information] [16/07/2009 20:22:14] Postprocessing
--[Information] [16/07/2009 20:22:14] Job completed
-[Information] Log for job8 (video, VTS_01_1.avs -> VTS_01_1_0.264)
--[Information] [16/07/2009 20:22:14] Started handling job
--[Information] [16/07/2009 20:22:14] Preprocessing
--[NoImage] Job commandline: "C:\Program Files\megui\tools\x264\x264.exe" --profile high --pass 2 --bitrate 1032 --stats "F:\Mijn De Funes films DEEL 2\2009-07-16 - Pouic Pouic DVDShrink\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1_0.stats" --level 4.1 --ref 4 --b-adapt 2 --direct auto --no-chroma-me --trellis 2 --partitions p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,i8x8 --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 24000 --vbv-maxrate 24000 --qcomp 0.5 --me umh --merange 12 --thread-input --sar 1:1 --aud --output "F:\Mijn De Funes films DEEL 2\2009-07-16 - Pouic Pouic DVDShrink\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1_0.264" "F:\Mijn De Funes films DEEL 2\2009-07-16 - Pouic Pouic DVDShrink\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.avs"
--[Information] [16/07/2009 20:22:15] Encoding started
--[NoImage] Standard output stream
--[NoImage] Standard error stream
---[NoImage] avis [info]: 688x400 @ 25.00 fps (124906 frames)
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: using SAR=1/1
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 Cache64
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: profile High, level 4.1
---[NoImage]
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: slice I:785 Avg QP:22.87 size: 23193
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: slice P:47913 Avg QP:23.74 size: 8047
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: slice B:76208 Avg QP:24.83 size: 3158
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: consecutive B-frames: 2.7% 22.7% 70.3% 4.2%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: mb I I16..4: 4.6% 77.7% 17.7%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: mb P I16..4: 0.5% 5.7% 1.2% P16..4: 44.1% 17.5% 14.5% 0.0% 0.0% skip:16.5%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: mb B I16..4: 0.0% 0.6% 0.2% B16..8: 47.1% 2.8% 4.4% direct: 5.0% skip:39.9% L0:32.6% L1:53.4% BI:14.1%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: 8x8 transform intra:76.5% inter:68.6%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: direct mvs spatial:89.6% temporal:10.4%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: coded y,uvDC,uvAC intra:84.1% 4.8% 0.4% inter:26.4% 2.1% 0.0%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: ref P L0 78.0% 10.2% 7.4% 4.3%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: ref B L0 89.0% 6.6% 4.4%
---[NoImage] x264 [info]: kb/s:1031.8
---[NoImage] encoded 124906 frames, 16.63 fps, 1033.09 kb/s
--[Information] Final statistics
---[NoImage] Video Bitrate Desired: 1032 kbit/s
---[NoImage] Video Bitrate Obtained (approximate): 1033 kbit/s
--[Information] [16/07/2009 22:27:37] Postprocessing
--[Information] [16/07/2009 22:27:37] Job completed
-[Information] Log for job9 (mux, VTS_01_1_0.264 -> VTS_01_1-muxed.mp4)
--[Information] [16/07/2009 22:27:37] Started handling job
--[Information] [16/07/2009 22:27:37] Preprocessing
--[NoImage] Job commandline: "C:\Program Files\megui\tools\mp4box\mp4box.exe" -add "F:\Mijn De Funes films DEEL 2\2009-07-16 - Pouic Pouic DVDShrink\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1_0.264:fps=25" -add "F:\Mijn De Funes films DEEL 2\2009-07-16 - Pouic Pouic DVDShrink\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1 T80 2_0ch 192Kbps DELAY 0ms.m4a#trackID=1" -add "F:\Mijn De Funes films DEEL 2\2009-07-16 - Pouic Pouic DVDShrink\VIDEO_TS\Pouic Pouic.srt:lang=Dutch:name=Nederlands" -tmp "F:\Mijn De Funes films DEEL 2\2009-07-16 - Pouic Pouic DVDShrink\VIDEO_TS" -new "F:\Mijn De Funes films DEEL 2\2009-07-16 - Pouic Pouic DVDShrink\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1-muxed.mp4"
--[Information] [16/07/2009 22:27:37] Muxing started
--[NoImage] Standard output stream
---[NoImage] AVC-H264 import - frame size 688 x 400 at 25.000 FPS
---[NoImage] Import results: 124906 samples - Slices: 785 I 47913 P 76208 B - 1 SEI - 747 IDR
---[NoImage] IsoMedia import - track ID 1 - Audio (SR 48000 - 2 channels)
---[NoImage] Timed Text (SRT) import - text track 688 x 400, font Serif (size 18)
---[NoImage] Saving F:\Mijn De Funes films DEEL 2\2009-07-16 - Pouic Pouic DVDShrink\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1-muxed.mp4: 0.500 secs Interleaving
--[NoImage] Standard error stream
--[Information] [16/07/2009 22:28:30] Postprocessing
--[Information] [16/07/2009 22:28:30] Job completed

[nurbs]

Because the PS3 doesn't support subtitles in mp4 files.

[Betsy25]

DOH!

Didn't Sony tell us the PS3 can play MP4 files ?????????

I thought the MP4 standard supports subtitles ?

So the PS3 can't play MP4 also (wonders what it still can play:rolleyes: )


So, IIRC, there's no way the PS3 can play some h264 file with subtitles ? In no single way ?
P.S. I don't want to stream from PC.

[nurbs]

Well it can't play everything you can stick into MP4. For instance AC3 is now allowed in an MP4 container, but the PS3 can't play it although it can obviously decode AC3 since it can play back DVDs. AFAIK the MP4 container only supports TTXT subtitles, but megui (mp4box) will automatically convert your srt files to that format when you mux them.
I never tried do to it myself, but I guess the PS3 supports subtitles when you put them into VOB or m2ts containers. You'll have to search the forum a bit if you want details.

[Betsy25]

Thanks nurbs,

Indeed, I created an MP4 using MeGUI, don't know if it added it as TTXT, MediaInfo tells this :
Text
ID : 3
Format : Timed text
Codec ID : tx3g
Duration : 1h 23mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 81 bps
Stream size : 49.4 KiB (0%)
Title : Nederlands
Language : Dutch
Encoded date : UTC 2009-07-15 20:28:22
Tagged date : UTC 2009-07-15 20:28:22


... but no option to show subs on the PS3.:rolleyes:
I'll try using the VOB or m2ts method, but then, which other tools do I have to install to be able to do that...

[Adub]

Look at TSMuxer.

[Betsy25]

Look at TSMuxer.

Thanks Adub ! :)

[Betsy25]

Sorry to bug you guys once again, but also using TsMuxer (created m2ts file), the PS3 only played the video correct, it didn't play the audio and it didn't play to subtitles.....

..... Up to mkv2vob........

[nurbs]

What kind of audio and subtitles did you try? I guess in m2ts you have to use blu-ray SUPs and a supported audio codec (e.g. AC3).

edit:
Maybe you should just give up and buy a WD TV (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=572) or something like that (Popcornhour,...). You can take your AVC, AAC and SRT, mux it to mkv and the box will play it without problems. It's also pretty cheap.

[setarip_old]

@Betsy25

Hi! Sorry to bug you guys once again, but also using TsMuxer (created m2ts file), the PS3 only played the video correct, it didn't play the audio and it didn't play to subtitles....For playback on a PS3, try using "tsMuxeR" to create an AVCHD "package" (Select "AVCHD" rather than "M2TS")...

[Betsy25]

Thanks setarip_old, I'll try it that way ! :o

EDIT: The AVCHD way doesn't work either. TsMuxer gives an error at the end of muxing.

http://i29.tinypic.com/2ia7ebd.png

[setarip_old]

TsMuxer gives an error at the end of muxing.What is the exact wording of the error message?

[Betsy25]

What is the exact wording of the error message?

TsMuxer finished with error code -2.
Unsupported media type 15 for AVCHD/Blu-ray muxing.

[nurbs]

The file in your first post doesn't have the right resolution for Blu-Ray or AVCHD and you also need to encode with the --nal-hrd switch and change other settings as well.

[Betsy25]

OK, I tried with mkv2vob and now it works, sort of, unfortunately that is, it embeds the subs into to movie stream, something I hoped not to see, but anyway, it's better than nothing, since that bloody PS3 doesn't understand the word "subtitle" yet they dare to call it a "next-gen" console....

[Audionut]

Yeah, last time I checked and tried, about 4 months ago, PS3 can't play subtitles from media files.

Only from DVD, Blu-ray and AVCHD.

[MacLover]

Yes MP4 supports subtitles in .m4v (just change extension and it should work) but as above I don't think the PS3 accepts subtitles unless in DVD/BD (could be wrong).