Problem Blank bd-r

[drmih]

Slightly off topic but hopefully of some use. I have been using Traxdata bd-r discs with no problems. However, although all verified and partially watched, I suddenly found a disc which wouldn't work 2 weeks later. I have checked all of the 10 discs which came from the same batch and all are unreadable - I have managed to recover one using a bit-nibbler as it wasn't a backup but tv material. Other much older Traxdata are fine so a batch issue.

All of these discs were perfect when done yet 1 month later they are coasters. I had hoped that these problems wouldn't effect bd-r the same way as they did with early dvd-r.

[jdobbs]

Good to know.

[GaPony]

Thanks for the heads up! It seems that a burn is a burn and exactly what the content is shouldn't matter. Hopefully its just one batch, but still doesn't do much for confidence in the product.

I'm not sure where you're located, but the Ritek NOBCB25 discs are pretty inexpensive and appear to be reliable over several months.

[zeon]

Slightly off topic but hopefully of some use. I have been using Traxdata bd-r discs with no problems. However, although all verified and partially watched, I suddenly found a disc which wouldn't work 2 weeks later. I have checked all of the 10 discs which came from the same batch and all are unreadable - I have managed to recover one using a bit-nibbler as it wasn't a backup but tv material. Other much older Traxdata are fine so a batch issue.

All of these discs were perfect when done yet 1 month later they are coasters. I had hoped that these problems wouldn't effect bd-r the same way as they did with early dvd-r.

interesting you in the uk or elsewhere m8 i use traxdata but haven,t had a problem upto now anyway,also are these the full face printables or other type.

thanks for the info

[drmih]

I'm in the UK and they were the full face printable ones bought in drums of 10.

As stated earlier, this has only occurred on one drum. Other identical batches bought much earlier are absolutely fine.

[steptoe]

Can you get in touch with the suppliers, if possible pointing out the batch and asking them what are they going to do to replace the disks

Also pointing out the lost 'data' that means more time and effort to replace it

[drmih]

The supplier is going to replace the discs - I think that you can't ask much more than that to be honest.

[Ghitulescu]

It's not related to BD-R but to DVD±R. The quality of Traxdata may change its name in Trashdata.

The quality of Traxdata was awfull, even with my good old Plextor that has AutoStrategy and never yielded a coaster until now.

I'll never buy Traxdata again.

[GaPony]

I think BD-R is a different animal than DVD media. I would never think of using Memorex or Ritek DVDs, but their BD-R media has worked very well. I've tried every brand of BD-R media I could get my hands on and have found them all to perform flawlessly without a single coaster. I think maybe there's only a couple main manufacturer's and alot of rebranding going on. Anyway, from what I can tell, there's no reason not to look for the best deal on BD-R media, vs. sticking with Taiyo-Yuden and Verbatim for my DVD projects.

[Mr. Movies]

I think BD-R is a different animal than DVD media. I would never think of using Memorex or Ritek DVDs, but their BD-R media has worked very well. I've tried every brand of BD-R media I could get my hands on and have found them all to perform flawlessly without a single coaster. I think maybe there's only a couple main manufacturer's and alot of rebranding going on. Anyway, from what I can tell, there's no reason not to look for the best deal on BD-R media, vs. sticking with Taiyo-Yuden and Verbatim for my DVD projects.

I agree with Memorex as they are garbage but RiData, the real Ritek DVD discs work great, illegal media stating it is Ritek are bad and the only ones I've had problems with and I've used plenty.

I wish TY would make a watershield BD-R as I really like their DVD's, Time Will Tell as Robert Cray would say in a song.

I've been using the 4x RiData hub printable BD-R's and they are wonderful except for the rounded outer edge, hard to pick up proper but that's minor. I'd like to try the BD-R no name cheapies found on ebay from HK but I'm worried that there going to end up bad like yours down the round and who wants to ship back to HK if they go bad. I know some people have had good luck so it is tempting.

[Ghitulescu]

In Europe a BDR costs about 10€ now. I wouldn't spend 4-6€ for a cheap clone just for dumping it 2-3 months later. That means a BDR would cost me 10+6=16€ instead of 10€ (not to count the possibility of loosing for good irreplaceable memories). On top of that comes the laser rot (blue laser rots even faster that that of DVD).

As for DVD and BD as being different species, I fully agree, however it happens for Trashdata to be the same thing when it comes to CDR and DVDR. Why not extend this to the whole optical storage media?

[Ghitulescu]

I'm in the UK and they were the full face printable ones bought in drums of 10.

As stated earlier, this has only occurred on one drum. Other identical batches bought much earlier are absolutely fine.

Have you checked them against the specs? Like PlexTools or Kprobe? Or just you burned them with "check" on in Nero?

[drmih]

The discs were burned and verified with Imgburn but the important thing is that I then watched them on a sony standalone. Three weeks later they weren't even recognised by the Sony and couldn't be ripped on a pc.

[Ghitulescu]

The discs were burned and verified with Imgburn but the important thing is that I then watched them on a sony standalone. Three weeks later they weren't even recognised by the Sony and couldn't be ripped on a pc.

The "verify" of ImgBurn is almost the same thing as "verify" of Nero. It simply reads back the CD/DVD/BD to see if no errors occured (http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=9669). To this end, let's assume we have a DVD, there is no difference NOW between a DVDR having 10 PIEs and one having 278 PIEs, because boths are within specs. However, the second one will "give up" much much sooner that the first one. To my knowledge there is not a single software that does the same analysis on BDRs as eg PlexTools (there are, but in junction with specialised hardware).

[Mr. Movies]

The bottom line is that the disc layer(s) shouldn’t be breaking down so fast. Even if he verified the original burn and the drop out rates were very low he would still have problems now as the layer(s) are breaking down abnormally fast.

This is a disc mfg quality issue and fortunately he can get his discs replaced but unfortunately he now has to re-rip the movies or in the worst case may have lost personal memories that he has transferred to BD. It doesn’t pay to buy cheap media when this happens.