Anyone else hate IE 8.0? [Archive]

Dr.Khron

7th June 2009, 12:35

OK, I don't hate it (IE is still my primary browser), just the new features in 8.0

I don't think there is a single new feature that I don't hate:
-it resized everything, and the scale looks
-It greys out URLs so you can only see part of the root domain. WHO ASKED FOR THIS?
-"older" websites are made to look funny on purpose (yes this is a feature)
-Old search results keep hauting me, popping up like that crappy google toolbar

Don't know if these are features or bugs:
-On website forums, will NOT snap to last read post.
-Seems slower overall

Anyone else fool with this yet?

Atak_Snajpera

7th June 2009, 13:10

If you hate IE why don't you install FF , Opera , Chrome ... You have so many alternatives! IE is only for downloading real browsers :)

LoRd_MuldeR

7th June 2009, 13:55

There is at least one good thing about IE8: In contrast to its predecessors it finally respects the HTML standards and displays your web-site more similar to all the other browsers ;)

But I agree that it's horribly slow. I have a Q6600 with 4 GB of RAM, but IE8 runs far too slow to be useful. So even if I would like to use IE8, I couldn't.

Furthermore you will only get the correct rendering engine, if you enforce that IE8 won't use the crappy IE7 compatibility view. The latter again messes up everything. So we still need IE-specific code :rolleyes:

(BTW: It grays out everything in the URL, except for the domain name, so that noob users can more easily spot phishing sites. Chrome does the same!)

Midzuki

7th June 2009, 14:32

IE 8 is definitely slower than IE6, period.
Looks like an "updated" version of IE7.
Still unable to open links in maximized new windows
(exactly like IE3, IE4, IE5 and IE6).
Still unable to open a new window that is *not* a copy of the page you were
looking at (exactly like IE3, IE4, IE5 and IE6).

Does not let me get rid of the Bookmark button.

Does not let me move the menu bar to the top of the window.

Does not tell me how to get rid of the "Live Search" bar
(damn it, my Start Page, «file:///C:/START.html»,
already has a huge hyperlink to Google, so why the heck would I
ever need a search bar?)

UPDATE: the status bar still contains the annoying half-dozen of useless separators.

{ source: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic365725.html }

Dr.Khron

8th June 2009, 11:58

If you hate IE why don't you install FF , Opera , Chrome ... You have so many alternatives! IE is only for downloading real browsers :)

Yeah, yeah, use something else, knew I was gonna hear that... I do use FF at home, but I have to use IE for work.

And yeah, I've finally decided that its flat out SLOW. Slow at everything, even once you turn some stuff off.

I did however, finally find a feature that I like: I don't keep bookmarks for sites I regularly visit, instead I just type into the address bar, arrow down and hit enter to jump to a URL. But now, it sorts all of the URLs under what you type in a very useful way.

This is the first feature they've added to IE for "typers" in a long time.

RunningSkittle

8th June 2009, 12:26

How about IE8 finally including inline search?

Guest

8th June 2009, 13:31

I just upgraded from IE6 to IE8 and find it to be just fine, not slow and with no obvious irritants.

Sharktooth

8th June 2009, 14:12

LoRd_MuldeR

8th June 2009, 15:40

I just upgraded from IE6 to IE8 and find it to be just fine, not slow and with no obvious irritants.

Really? Startup time (the time between I double-click on the shortcut until I get to see the start page) is ~20 seconds for IE8 here. Opening a new tab takes ~5 seconds every single time! That's absolutely unacceptable when every other browser (Firefox, Chromium, Opera) starts up in a fraction of that time and opens new tabs instantaneously. Chromium shows us how a modern browser should be: Lightweight, very fast and a striped-down, but thought-out GUI. IE8 is a step forward, compared to its predecessors, indeed, but there is still MUCH work to do to be become competitive...

Guest

8th June 2009, 16:22

Really? Startup time (the time between I double-click on the shortcut until I get to see the start page) is ~20 seconds for IE8 here. It's immediate for me.

Maybe there is a solution here somewhere:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=long+startup+time+for+IE8&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Guest

8th June 2009, 16:30

Could it be this:

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general/browse_frm/thread/3ef37656ce18f036/579478566ac1ee9b

LoRd_MuldeR

8th June 2009, 17:03

Thanks for the links, but my enthusiasm to investigate the reason why IE 8.0 runs so freaking slow on my system is very limited...

sjakke

8th June 2009, 20:22

i usually kill IE from the windows installation disc with nlite (just having it around in my system makes me sick and the OS insecure...) and use http://windizupdate.com/ for updates (obviously XP!!!)

Isn't windizupdate dead? I know the site is there but i don't think it is being updated anymore.

BTW I use Iron http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_news.php

tetsuo55

8th June 2009, 21:45

IE8 is great.

IE8 finally respects W3C standards, meaning websites look the same as on other W3C standard compliant browsers.
However realistically speaking 95% of websites are not W3C compliant, IE8 knows this and "emulates" previous IE versions to display these websites correctly.

If the website is not automatically detected you can manually enable this emulation (it's called compatibility view)

Other than showing 99% of the web like it should be it's a slow piece of crap (which i why i use it purely as a backup for sites that are completely broken in chromium)

Sharktooth

9th June 2009, 01:42

CSS is a w3c standard too and IE8 is not completely compatible with version 3 and later (eventually).
other rendering issues are known too... plus, it's still more vulnerable than many other browsers (firefox, opera, webkit/safari, etc.) and much, much slower.

LoRd_MuldeR

9th June 2009, 09:34

...plus, it's still more vulnerable than many other browsers (firefox, opera, webkit/safari, etc.) and much, much slower.

Slower indeed. But about the vulnerability we must admit that IE also is attacked more frequently than others. That's because still most people use IE (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Browser_Wars.svg) and that's why it's more lucrative to attack IE (from an attacker's point of view). Other browser are more secure, just because they are less popular. Nevertheless in the past M$ missed to fix known exploits in time. And that happened several times. They definitely still have to learn here...

leeperry

9th June 2009, 13:20

well I hate Chrome, w/ its sandbox stuff...using 150MB of RAM for 5 webpages is ridiculous.

Safari constantly makes my soundcard glitch....OTOH Opera9 is great!

tetsuo55

9th June 2009, 13:47

well I hate Chrome, w/ its sandbox stuff...using 150MB of RAM for 5 webpages is ridiculous.

Safari constantly makes my soundcard glitch....OTOH Opera9 is great!that's strange. i use chromium (always the latest build give or take a day)

My pages take about 8-10MB each on average

Sharktooth

9th June 2009, 14:38

im using opera too. sometimes chromium nightly builds.

Dr.Khron

9th June 2009, 15:31

I just upgraded from IE6 to IE8 and find it to be just fine, not slow and with no obvious irritants.

What OS you using? (I've got XP )

Thanks for the link, I'm running SpyBot, so that will give me something to play with.

Guest

9th June 2009, 15:44

WinXP SP3.

Midzuki

9th June 2009, 15:56

However realistically speaking 95% of websites are not W3C compliant,

because IE3, IE4, IE5, IE6 and IE7 have never been fond of widely-accepted standards, I presume. :)

jsquare

9th June 2009, 22:27

Haven't fully used IE for over a year, FF is my primary browser on my XP SP3 main system. But I don't see the slowness on IE8 as others complaint, maybe because I only use Avast A/V and no spy ware stuff. I also relocated my PageFile, IE + Windows temp folders to separate 10GB partition (first partition on my secondary drive), that should make a performance difference if you have 2 or more physical drives on your system.

LoRd_MuldeR

9th June 2009, 22:32

By the way: The Firefox 3.5 Preview is available. Don't be confused, because the download is called Beta-99 ;)

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/3.5b99/win32/en-US/

tetsuo55

10th June 2009, 08:55

because IE3, IE4, IE5, IE6 and IE7 have never been fond of widely-accepted standards, I presume. :)Correct. (and also because almost all browser traffic comes from IE)

ash925

10th June 2009, 09:18

Never tried IE 8, but IE 7 makes an awful sound every time I open a tab,it was more work than it should have been changing the default search provider.IE 6 was crappy too,iirc it seemed it had a temp file folder everywhere.

mr soft

10th June 2009, 23:12

If you download Internet Explorer 8, Microsoft will donate 8 meals to Feeding America.

http://www.browserforthebetter.com/index-htm.html#getie8:IJ8Onlii4y2

Nothing about having to install it. ;)

mr soft

12th June 2009, 12:04

Anyone else hate IE 8.0?

It seems the E.U, as Internet explorer won't be packaged with the Win 7 European version.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/windows-7-e-coming-to-europe-without-internet-explorer/

LoRd_MuldeR

12th June 2009, 13:51

It seems the E.U, as Internet explorer won't be packaged with the Win 7 European version.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/windows-7-e-coming-to-europe-without-internet-explorer/

I wonder: How do you download a browser if you don't have any browser installed yet?

Probably you will have to get IE8 through Windows Update, before you can (optionally) get another browser :rolleyes:

Would make MUCH more sense if they added a package manager (like any Linux distro has) where you can get the desired software (and only that software).

Or at least ship Firefox, Opera, Chrome and Safari along with Windows 7 (in addition to IE8).

Shipping an OS without a browser is pure nonsense in times of 2009. You could have done that in the early 90's, but not nowadays...

Sharktooth

13th June 2009, 12:27

easy, once you install windows 7 you still have the FTP command from the console... or boot with a linux livecd, download a windows browser on a USB memory...
it's just M$ is too much "proud" to include other browsers or just the possibility to install them, so they "force" the average joe to install IE8 from windows update...

LoRd_MuldeR

13th June 2009, 15:31

easy, once you install windows 7 you still have the FTP command from the console...

The average Windows user doesn't know a thing about the console. Most people believe the shell is some kind of "DOS" relict.

Even with heavy and continuous guiding people fail to accomplish simple tasks from the console, like they never used a computer before :rolleyes:

or boot with a linux livecd, download a windows browser on a USB memory...

How do I download the Live-CD ISO Image + ImgBurn without the browser? :D

Probably most OEM vendors will deliver Windows 7 machines with a browser already installed. Wouldn't be surprised if IE 8.0 is their browser of choice ;)

Sharktooth

14th June 2009, 03:10

The average Windows doesn't know a thing about the console. Most people believe the shell is some kind of "DOS" relict.

Even with heavy and continuous guiding people fail to accomplish simple tasks from the console, like they never used a computer before :rolleyes:

How do I download the Live-CD ISO Image + ImgBurn without the browser? :D

Probably most OEM vendors will deliver Windows 7 machines with a browser already installed. Wouldn't be surprised if IE 8.0 is their browser of choice ;)
i know... however getting a copy of a linux distro is not so hard since it's free to distribute and copy.
however, as i said, average joe will stick with IE8...

leeperry

17th June 2009, 09:52

why bother w/ IE8 when Opera9 is pretty much perfect? I'm becoming a fanboy I know :)

tetsuo55

17th June 2009, 11:28

why bother w/ IE8 when Opera9 is pretty much perfect? I'm becoming a fanboy I know :)Many websites do not work in opera. All sites i visit work in IE8 (but many require compatibility mode). i only know of 2 sites that are broken in Chromium dev. (I have about 20-30 that are broken in Opera)

Sharktooth

18th June 2009, 12:51

Help -> Report a site problem
opera 10 also has some improve compatibility with some weird websites...

LoRd_MuldeR

18th June 2009, 12:54

Many websites do not work in opera. All sites i visit work in IE8 (but many require compatibility mode). i only know of 2 sites that are broken in Chromium dev. (I have about 20-30 that are broken in Opera)

Somehow I doubt that this is Opera's fault. Sites that explicitly depend on IE7-only behavior are not even supposed to work in Opera (or any alternative browser).

But it's not the job of browser developers to add workarounds for such sites (although they probably will do for famous sites), it's the web-designer's job to get their sites fixed!

If everybody (browser and web-site developers) would respect the web standards, no compatibility issues would exists.

Unfortunately Microsoft's long tradition of giving a damn about open standards has lead many web-site developers to create improper and IE-specific HTML code...

tetsuo55

18th June 2009, 13:36

That is exactly the reason, and the correct solution.

W3C broken websites will be part of the net for many years to come, even though i have emailed most of the admins for the sites i frequent that the site is broken they often do not fix their site.

Having a 100% spec compliant browser is cool in theory but i actually want to browse the web...

LoRd_MuldeR

18th June 2009, 14:48

Sharktooth

18th June 2009, 15:59

LOL... and here comes the "workaraound"...

Inventive Software

18th June 2009, 16:07

IE 8.0 will ship with Windows 7 in the EU, but on a separate install media!

German article:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Microsoft-Internet-Explorer-fuer-Windows-7-in-Europa-auf-separatem-Datentraeger-Update--/meldung/140639

LOL... and here comes the "workaraound"...

Don't forget the financial incentives for companies shipping those OEM discs with WMP and IE. ;)

Gokumon

18th June 2009, 16:54

I wonder: How do you download a browser if you don't have any browser installed yet?

Most people buy their computers through an OEM so the OEM would be able to install whatever browser they or the user wanted.

Sharktooth

18th June 2009, 16:57

yeah... that's exactly what i was thinking...
ok, let's see it from the microsoft side. they dont want to include 3rd party browsers or softwares, that's perfectly understandable. then why not just add those softwares to their windows update service or, if they dont want to waste money/bandwidth for others softwares, just "open" the windows update software so 3rd parties could "include" their softwares in the windows update service using their own servers to push the updates? it's not so hard...

Dr.Khron

19th June 2009, 17:19

Eh, for all the crappy things Microsoft has done, I generally can't fault them for "bundling" IE... Even though its replaceable, its still a key part of the operating system.

Sharktooth

19th June 2009, 17:51

not a key part... it's a web browser. they let users think it's a key part but you can nuke it before installing the windows OS and the OS will still work.

Ajax_Undone

20th June 2009, 23:34

I agree with Sharktooth Just use nlite nuke IE and keep a working copy of FF Chrome opera or what ever you choose on a disk. You can install a web browser afterwards.

4Dude

22nd June 2009, 13:14

I just upgraded from IE6 to IE8 and find it to be just fine, not slow and with no obvious irritants.I dispise 8 :D

I have heard many users have many issues with 8.. LONG open times due to all the crap loaded with it,etc....

IE6 is my best friend!! (I use MyIE2 as my browser though)

Sharktooth

23rd June 2009, 03:05

you should not use IE6... it's a pile of bugs. atleast, if you still want to use IE, move to IE7 (not that it's much better but atleast is a bit more secure...).