DVD player says can't play

[JXBlack]

I have 4 *.avi files with a XovD codec and my LG Player/Recorder says they are unplayable because they are greater than 720X576.
I ran them thru Auto GK setting the Fixed Width at 640 and converting them to Divx? All will now play but 2 have lost lip sync.
Is their any other conversion program I can use to solve the problem?


Thanks

[setarip_old]

Hi!

1) It's may be easier, and would likely result in higher quality, if you simply went back to the original source material that you used to create these .AVIs and used a "normal" codec to convert/compress

2) Please load one of these problematic .AVIs into GSpot and post a screen capture back here

[JXBlack]

Many thanks for your reply. I am having trouble capturing the G Spot information page, When I get it sorted out I'll reply as you suggested/

[dat720]

Hold CTRL and ALT then press Print Screen

Simply open a program like Paint, or even better Paint.Net then use CTRL + V to paste into said program.

Or even better, use Mediainfo then simply copy the text from it, no images required.

[JXBlack]

Thanks for your help on screen capturing.
Below is a mediainfo report on one of the *.avi's
This avi plays fine on my computer as a XviD file but won't play at all on my LG video recorder/player.
If I convert it to DivX 640 max then it will play on my LG video recorder/player but the sound is about 1-2 minutes out of lip sync.



General #0
Complete name : J:\AAA\ZZZ\Raw Greater 720 576\Test\Our Summer.avi
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format/Family : RIFF
File size : 700 MiB
PlayTime : 57mn 49s
Bit rate : 1687 Kbps
Writing application : Nandub v1.0rc2
Writing library : Nandub build 1852/release

Video #0
Codec : XviD
Codec/Family : MPEG-4
Codec/Info : XviD project
Codec settings/Packe : Yes
Codec settings/BVOP : Yes
Codec settings/QPel : No
Codec settings/GMC : 0
Codec settings/Matri : Custom
PlayTime : 57mn 49s
Bit rate : 1290 Kbps
Width : 800 pixels
Height : 336 pixels
Aspect ratio : 2.35
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.200
Writing library : XviD0030

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
PlayTime : 57mn 49s
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Bit rate mode : CBR
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
Video0 delay : 14ms
ChannelPositions : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer

[dat720]

first up delete your double post....

second do another mediainfo paste from a avi that works on your dvd player...

i'd be suspecting that your dvd player does not support xvid but does support divx

[JXBlack]

Sorry about double post. I don't know how it happened and I don't know how to delete it.
I am 100% sure that my LG player will play both DivX and XivD. It was something I insisted upon when I bought the unit 2 months ago. I have sine played dozens of both codecs.
I am pasting a mediainfo report on ax XivD that plays perfectly.

General #0
Complete name : J:\AAA\ZZZ\Raw Greater 720 576\Test\Electric City.avi
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format/Family : RIFF
File size : 801 MiB
PlayTime : 2h 1mn
Bit rate : 910 Kbps
Writing library : VirtualDub build 30009/release

Video #0
Codec : XviD
Codec/Family : MPEG-4
Codec/Info : XviD project
Codec settings/Packe : Yes
Codec settings/BVOP : Yes
Codec settings/QPel : No
Codec settings/GMC : 0
Codec settings/Matri : Default
PlayTime : 2h 1mn
Bit rate : 797 Kbps
Width : 640 pixels
Height : 272 pixels
Aspect ratio : 2.35
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.191
Writing library : XviD0047

Audio #0
Codec : MPEG-1 Audio layer 3
Codec profile : Joint stereo
PlayTime : 2h 1mn
Bit rate : 100 Kbps
Bit rate mode : VBR
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits
Writing library : LAME3.98r

Thanks again for your assistance.

[dat720]

To delete a post click the edit button when you are logged in, then click the delete button...

Ok i can see 3 major differences between those movies, the one that playes has a res of 640x272, the other is 800x336
the player may not like movies over 720px wide....
also its bitrate is quite high, i cant really see this being a problem tho...
the other major difference is the audio codec, the movie that plays is mp3 where the one that doesnt is ac3, i think that a dvd player is quite capable of playing back ac3 audio.... so i don't think that it is a problem either.

I guess it comes down to the resolution, DVD compliant videos must be a certain width, 720x576, 704x576 (for PAL countries anyway) and a couple of other odd resolutions, i think that your dvd player cannot play avi's greater than 720 px wide, check the manual to confirm this.

[setarip_old]

@JXBlack

Why in Heaven's name did you use Nandub, a five year old (or more) program, to create the first .AVI?

[JXBlack]

Ref Setarip_old

I am sorry I don't know what Nandub is.

Ref: DAT720

Thanks for teaching me how to delete my double post.
Yes my LG player refuses to play anything over 720px wide, but when I converted it to DovX 640px wide it lost its lip sync.

Is their any other program that will permit me to manipulate pixel width, bit rate and and audio codec?

I am also haveing similiar problems with the following avi file:

General #0
Complete name : J:\AAA\ZZZ\Raw Greater 720 576\Test\Foggy Bottom.avi
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format/Family : RIFF
File size : 696 MiB
PlayTime : 1h 42mn
Bit rate : 943 Kbps
Writing application : VirtualDubMod 1.5.10.2 (build 2540/release)
Writing library : VirtualDubMod build 2540/release

Video #0
Codec : XviD
Codec/Family : MPEG-4
Codec/Info : XviD project
Codec settings/Packe : Yes
Codec settings/BVOP : Yes
Codec settings/QPel : Yes
Codec settings/GMC : 0
Codec settings/Matri : Default
PlayTime : 1h 42mn
Bit rate : 802 Kbps
Width : 624 pixels
Height : 336 pixels
Aspect ratio : 1.857
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.159
Writing library : XviD0046

Audio #0
Codec : MPEG-1 Audio layer 3
Codec profile : Joint stereo
PlayTime : 1h 42mn
Bit rate : 129 Kbps
Bit rate mode : VBR
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits
Writing library : LAME3.90.

[dat720]

Theres tons of programs....
AVIDemux
MediaCoder
VirtualDub
VirtualDubMod
Mencoder
ffmpeg

are some of the more popular....

but your problem could quite easily be solved by adjusting the audio delay

[manono]

@JXBlack

Why in Heaven's name did you use Nandub, a five year old (or more) program, to create the first .AVI?
Nandub wasn't used to create the AVI. It can't encode for XviD. And stop trying to trap people.

JXBlack, AutoGK isn't responsible for the AVIs being out of sync. They more than likely had a delay in the source. If they're out of synch by the same amount all the way through it's a simple thing to fix - assuming that's all that's wrong with them. If it's a progressive asynch - it gets worst as the video goes along - then that's something else again.

[setarip_old]

@manono

Why would you say that Nandub wasn't used to create the .AVI, when Post #5 states:Writing application : Nandub v1.0rc2
Writing library : Nandub build 1852/release

[manono]

Others would know more about that than I. I've made a ton of AVIs that mention Nandub, but where Nandub was never used. Or maybe it was used just to mux. In any event, the AVI in question is an XviD and Nandub can only create Div3 AVIs.

[yetanotherid]

I don't know the technical reason why AutoGK doesn't always get the audio correct, aside from the fact it happens when the AVI being converted has a delay on it's audio track which AutoGK doesn't pick up. I guess maybe as it wasn't really designed for that??

Anyway, if you navigate into your AutoGK installation folder, you'll find VirtualDubMod.exe in the VDubMod folder. I use it a lot so I create my own shortcut to it and stick it in the start menu. Open VirtualDubMod and use it to open the newly created AVI then select Streams/Streams List from the top menu. The window which opens will show the audio stream. Right click on it and select Interleaving. When that window opens you'll see a box for adjusting the audio delay. From there it's trial and error. Start with you best guess and then play the AVI with VirtualDubMod. See if it's getting better or worse then open the Streams menu and change the delay time accordingly. When you've got them matching up use the File/Save menu, giving the saved AVI a new name and making sure you select Direct Stream Copy in the "Video Mode" drop down box or you'll wait forever while it re-encodes the AVI again. When it's saved your new AVI should be in-sync.

A couple of things to be aware of.... For some reason VirtualDubMod can choke on variable bit rate MP3s. If your audio track is a constant bit rate MP3 or some other type of audio file you shouldn't have a problem. If it's variable bit rate VDM doesn't always play the AVI file properly itself and it occasionally locks up when saving the AVI. It only happens occasionally but it happened to me last night every time I tried to adjust the audio in one particular AVI so I had to convert the audio track to a CBR MP3 then use the converted audio track instead.

If you run into problems and you're not worried about 2-pass encoding, I often use either Any Video Converter or Super (you'll find them both with Google) for those jobs AutoGK can't get right.

[manono]

From there it's trial and error.
Everything you said was good, except for that. Don't use VDubMod as a player to discover the amount of the delay. It's not designed for that. There are several real players where you can adjust the delay on the fly so you can find what it is. I use Media Player Classic Home Cinema. Play the AVI and use the +/- keys of the keyboard to adjust the delay. When you have it right use that figure (it says in the lower left of the player) in the Audio Skew Correction box of VDubMod.

[yetanotherid]

LOL! Yeah it's obviously a better way to do it. It had just never occurred to me....

I had noticed VDM could be a bit odd. Sometimes it'd adjust the sync okay then on the next go it'd be all wrong and I'd have to close the file and re-open it. That's for CBR MP3s of course. Pretty much every time a try to get it to play a VBR MP3 it crashes sooner or later. Any idea why that happens or if there's a way to fix it? Same with saving VBR MP3s into AVIs. Four times in five it'll work, then the next time it'll sit there in some sort of loop chewing up the CPU cycles while not actually getting anywhere. Any idea why that happens?

[BigDid]

...
Yes my LG player refuses to play anything over 720px wide, but when I converted it to DovX 640px wide it lost its lip sync.
...
I am also haveing similiar problems with the following avi file:

General #0
Complete name : J:\AAA\ZZZ\Raw Greater 720 576\Test\Foggy Bottom.avi
...
Video #0
Codec : XviD
Codec/Family : MPEG-4
Codec/Info : XviD project
Codec settings/Packe : Yes
Codec settings/BVOP : Yes
Codec settings/QPel : Yes
Codec settings/GMC : 0
Codec settings/Matri : Default
...
Hi,

Are you sure the above quoted file plays on your LG?

I also have a LG and it doesn't accept QPEL (nor wider than 720 ;) )

... If they're out of synch by the same amount all the way through it's a simple thing to fix - assuming that's all that's wrong with them. If it's a progressive asynch - it gets worst as the video goes along - then that's something else again.
I worked on an "exotic" avi one time and although the source was in synch, once recoded with AGK (video only, audio was mp3) I had a hard time to get it back in synch, something like 7s delay. I had to combine the tricks given by setarip to get something usable:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1006806#post1006806

Did

[Brazil2]

I also have a LG and it doesn't accept QPEL (nor wider than 720 ;) )
Yep, from my own experience here are the settings to be used for the best compatibility with most, if not all, players:

Width: 720 max
B-frames (BVOP): 1 max
QPel: no
GMC: no
Packed bitstream: no
Matrix: H263
Frame rate: constant, either 23.976 or 25 or 29.97 but no variable frame rate.

[manono]

Pretty much every time a try to get it to play a VBR MP3 it crashes sooner or later. Any idea why that happens or if there's a way to fix it? Same with saving VBR MP3s into AVIs. Four times in five it'll work, then the next time it'll sit there in some sort of loop chewing up the CPU cycles while not actually getting anywhere. Any idea why that happens?
As I mentioned, don't use it as a player. As for why it sometimes crashes when just muxing, I have no idea. I've muxed many hundreds, if not thousands, of AVIs using VDubMod and have never once experienced that behavior. Maybe someone else knows. Or if it really bothers you, try asking in the VDub Forum.

[BigDid]

...
Width: 720 max
B-frames (BVOP): 1 max
QPel: no
GMC: no
Packed bitstream: no
Matrix: H263
Frame rate: constant, either 23.976 or 25 or 29.97 but no variable frame rate.
Hi,

I agree on the minimal basis you give but you will loose some quality.
Any Standalone player (SAP) with a sigmadesign chip can also use:
B-frames (BVOP): 2 max
Packed bitstream
Matrix: any cqm SAP compliant

This is what uses Autogk and if you know your gear you can get good quality with the MTK option.

Edit: @ Yetanotherid I don't use vdm to play mp3 with or without video; I often use it to merge/mux VBR mp3 with xvid to create avi and never had a problem.

Did