TSmuxer TRUE-HD workarounds:

[jamos]

Would like to start a thread discussing various ways to work around the tsmuxer true-hd bug. I will show my method that works most of the time but unfortunatly uses a older version of TSremux which means you can not split the m2ts files into 4 gig. parts which is needed if you wan to use a thumb drive or external harddrive to play AVCHD. So this method only works if you are burning to a DVD-5/9.

Workaround 1:
Download version .019 of TSremux you can get ver. .019 here:
http://www.videohelp.com/download/TsRemux019.exe
(note newer versions may work also but have not tested)

Use TSmuxer to mux the Video and True-hd streams into a m2ts file.

Use TSremux open the .m2ts output from previous step and choose output structure of bluray. Also make SURE TO UNCHECK BYPASS AUDIO ALIGNMENT. then choose a directory for output file then remux (you have to enter the dir name in .019 that is ok it will create it).

Then you must replace two files in the BDMV folder of the just created output and in the BACKUP folder inside the BDMV folder. These are standard avchd structure files you can get here: http://www.mediafire.com/?zummmem25ym
(Warning if you do not do this you will just see data disk in PS3).

Then burn BDMV and CERTIFICATE using imgburn to dvd using udp 2.5 structure.

Vola working True-HD.

Limitations is that you cant use the thumb drive avchd method because you can not split the files with TSremux. If there is a easy program to split m2ts files already in a BD structure that would be a great addition to this method. Also this method doesnt always work (TSremux seems to have issues with 16bit True-HD).

[brogan]

Would like to start a thread discussing various ways to work around the tsmuxer true-hd bug. I will show my method that works most of the time but unfortunatly uses a older version of TSremux which means you can not split the m2ts files into 4 gig. parts which is needed if you wan to use a thumb drive or external harddrive to play AVCHD. So this method only works if you are burning to a DVD-5/9.

Workaround 1:
Download version .019 of TSremux you can get ver. .019 here:
http://www.videohelp.com/download/TsRemux019.exe
(note newer versions may work also but have not tested)

Use TSmuxer to mux the Video and True-hd streams into a m2ts file.

Use TSremux open the .m2ts output from previous step and choose output structure of bluray. Also make SURE TO UNCHECK BYPASS AUDIO ALIGNMENT. then choose a directory for output file then remux (you have to enter the dir name in .019 that is ok it will create it).

Then you must replace two files in the BDMV folder of the just created output and in the BACKUP folder inside the BDMV folder. These are standard avchd structure files you can get here: http://www.mediafire.com/?zummmem25ym
(Warning if you do not do this you will just see data disk in PS3).

Then burn BDMV and CERTIFICATE using imgburn to dvd using udp 2.5 structure.

Vola working True-HD.

Limitations is that you cant use the thumb drive avchd method because you can not split the files with TSremux. If there is a easy program to split m2ts files already in a BD structure that would be a great addition to this method. Also this method doesnt always work (TSremux seems to have issues with 16bit True-HD).



I have a couple of questions for you, if you could answer them for me. If I have a BD that I rip to my HD & put the main .m2ts file into TSMuxeR to remove the extra audio tracks that I don't want but keep the TrueHD track, will it become corrupted? Or if I use TSMuxeR to demux the video & audio, shrink the video to a BD25 using say, RipBot, then remux using TSMuxeR to a .m2ts, then remux to Blu-ray structure using the correct version of TSRemux (v019), will that work? I want to give this a shot but was hoping to get a little more information...I hate wasting BD25 if I don't have to...thanks for the information, it's greatly appreciated...

[brogan]

ok, I tried this workaround on a BD25 (I have one BD-RW)
Good news: I was able to get TrueHD audio on the disc (my Onkyo TX-SR806 lit up & everything)
Bad news: the audio was all garbled & caused the video to pause & drop out consistently
Has anyone been able to get this working on a BD25? I know you should be able to get DTS-HD MA w/TSMuxeR, but I want TrueHD!
This sucks :(
Please let me know if anyone has gotten it to work even once w/a BD25...thanks

[nwg]

Forget about TsMuxer for TrueHD. Use Ts4NP (later version of Tsremux) for TrueHD and load the movie m2ts into it. Then take out what you want and create a new BD structure. The only bad thing is it won't keep the original chapter positions.

[brogan]

Forget about TsMuxer for TrueHD. Use Ts4NP (later version of Tsremux) for TrueHD and load the movie m2ts into it. Then take out what you want and create a new BD structure. The only bad thing is it won't keep the original chapter positions.


I'm completely unconcerned about the chapter points. If I have a BD movie that I rip to my HD, I should load the main movie .m2ts file, remove the extra tracks & then convert to BD structure, all using Ts4NP? If that's all I have to do, that's awesome! Will this work when burning to a actual disc? Do I still need to make a .iso file from the BDMV & CERTIFICATE folders or can I just burn the folders and save a step? Thanks for the heads up!

[nwg]

I'm completely unconcerned about the chapter points. If I have a BD movie that I rip to my HD, I should load the main movie .m2ts file, remove the extra tracks & then convert to BD structure, all using Ts4NP? If that's all I have to do, that's awesome! Will this work when burning to a actual disc? Do I still need to make a .iso file from the BDMV & CERTIFICATE folders or can I just burn the folders and save a step? Thanks for the heads up!

Yes that is all you need to do. No ISO is needed.

I use Imgburn to burn the BD's using its write files/folders to disc mode. It will detect the BD and so will use UDF 2.50 automatically.

It won't work with discs with multiple m2ts files for the movie (seemless branching) though as only one m2ts can be loaded. I use Eac3to to extract the video and audio but still need TsMuxer to mux them together (unless another program can do it). As TrueHD is corrupted, the audio needs to be converted to something else. I usually convert the TrueHD to either uncompressed PCM or just plain DTS.

[brogan]

Yes that is all you need to do. No ISO is needed.

I use Imgburn to burn the BD's using its write files/folders to disc mode. It will detect the BD and so will use UDF 2.50 automatically.

It won't work with discs with multiple m2ts files for the movie (seemless branching) though as only one m2ts can be loaded. I use Eac3to to extract the video and audio but still need TsMuxer to mux them together (unless another program can do it). As TrueHD is corrupted, the audio needs to be converted to something else. I usually convert the TrueHD to either uncompressed PCM or just plain DTS.

Forget about TsMuxer for TrueHD. Use Ts4NP (later version of Tsremux) for TrueHD and load the movie m2ts into it. Then take out what you want and create a new BD structure. The only bad thing is it won't keep the original chapter positions.

So TrueHD won't work regardless of what I use, is that correct? I'm trying to figure out a workaround (if there is one) to get a TrueHD track on a re-encoded BD25...I thought you meant that if I use Ts4NP to remux to BD structure it would work correctly...has anyone been able to do this, ever?

[ron spencer]

is tsmuxer still being developed?

[nwg]

Forget about TsMuxer for TrueHD. Use Ts4NP (later version of Tsremux) for TrueHD and load the movie m2ts into it. Then take out what you want and create a new BD structure. The only bad thing is it won't keep the original chapter positions.

So TrueHD won't work regardless of what I use, is that correct? I'm trying to figure out a workaround (if there is one) to get a TrueHD track on a re-encoded BD25...I thought you meant that if I use Ts4NP to remux to BD structure it would work correctly...has anyone been able to do this, ever?

Never got TrueHD to work with TsMuxer. It comes out garbled and a corrupted on playback or worse no sound at all.

That bold bit is what I just said. Ts4NP won't work with multiple m2ts as ony one can be loaded into it.

[brogan]

Never got TrueHD to work with TsMuxer. It comes out garbled and a corrupted on playback or worse no sound at all.

That bold bit is what I just said. Ts4NP won't work with multiple m2ts as ony one can be loaded into it.


Ok, so on single .m2ts file that have been muxed w/TSmuxer (removing unwanted streams, etc) and keeping the video & TrueHD audio, Ts4NP should be able to properly create the BD structure so that I can then burn this to a BD25 & play on a standalone BD player. Do I need to uncheck Bypass Audio alignement or leave it checked? I had read that it needed to be unchecked but wasn't sure. I was going to try going the route of converting the TrueHD track to LPCM burning it that way but the size went from 2.3GB to over 6GB for the audio! When I get home from work today, I will try & burn this to a BD-RW & see if it works. Thanks for your help....

[nwg]

Ok, so on single .m2ts file that have been muxed w/TSmuxer (removing unwanted streams, etc) and keeping the video & TrueHD audio, Ts4NP should be able to properly create the BD structure so that I can then burn this to a BD25 & play on a standalone BD player. Do I need to uncheck Bypass Audio alignement or leave it checked? I had read that it needed to be unchecked but wasn't sure. I was going to try going the route of converting the TrueHD track to LPCM burning it that way but the size went from 2.3GB to over 6GB for the audio! When I get home from work today, I will try & burn this to a BD-RW & see if it works. Thanks for your help....

Use the original m2ts BD files when using ts4NP. Don't use files the have gone through TsMuxer as the TrueHD sound will be already corrupted.

[brogan]

Use the original m2ts BD files when using ts4NP. Don't use files the have gone through TsMuxer as the TrueHD sound will be already corrupted.


There is my problem...I need to be able to demux & remux the streams...generally, when I have a BD50, I want to back it up onto a BD25...nowadays, most newer movies are well over the 23GB limit of a BD25, even just the main .m2ts file...is there any other way besides TSMuxeR to remux a video stream & the TrueHD stream back together again? If there is, I'm unaware of it...so basically, once TSMuxeR is used at all (as far as TrueHD is concerned) the audio will be corrupted...I've been using eac3to to demux the audio, then re-encoding the video w/RipBot & then remuxing back the 2 streams w/TSMuxeR to .m2ts then use TSRemux to convert to BD structure...is there any other utility that could be used to remux the streams back? Thanks again for all your help...

[wakebrder]

There is my problem...I need to be able to demux & remux the streams...generally, when I have a BD50, I want to back it up onto a BD25...nowadays, most newer movies are well over the 23GB limit of a BD25, even just the main .m2ts file...is there any other way besides TSMuxeR to remux a video stream & the TrueHD stream back together again? If there is, I'm unaware of it...so basically, once TSMuxeR is used at all (as far as TrueHD is concerned) the audio will be corrupted...I've been using eac3to to demux the audio, then re-encoding the video w/RipBot & then remuxing back the 2 streams w/TSMuxeR to .m2ts then use TSRemux to convert to BD structure...is there any other utility that could be used to remux the streams back? Thanks again for all your help...

I've been looking to accomplish the exact same thing.

I'm pretty sure that until Tsmuxer is updated to handle True-HD properly, we're out of luck.

Unless of course you can afford Scenarist. :)

[nwg]

There is my problem...I need to be able to demux & remux the streams...generally, when I have a BD50, I want to back it up onto a BD25...nowadays, most newer movies are well over the 23GB limit of a BD25, even just the main .m2ts file...is there any other way besides TSMuxeR to remux a video stream & the TrueHD stream back together again? If there is, I'm unaware of it...so basically, once TSMuxeR is used at all (as far as TrueHD is concerned) the audio will be corrupted...I've been using eac3to to demux the audio, then re-encoding the video w/RipBot & then remuxing back the 2 streams w/TSMuxeR to .m2ts then use TSRemux to convert to BD structure...is there any other utility that could be used to remux the streams back? Thanks again for all your help...

It's a shame that Eac3to cannot remux the video and audio into a new m2ts. Then all we need to do is use Ts4NP or ripbot on the m2ts to create a new BD structure.

Ts4NP needs to be able to select separate video/audio like TsMuxer.

I tried using ripbot to do BD50 - BD25 but gave up. At 1080p, it was processing both passes at juts 1fps.

[brogan]

I'm not going to be using Scenarist anytime soon, unfortunately...I was hoping that something like xport, xmuxer or some other program would do this but I guess we're out of luck...converting TrueHD into LPCM just completely blows it up in size, I'm trying to fit it onto a BD25...if I'm going to use 6-9 GB in space for the audio, it might just be easier to convert TrueHD to DTS & put it on a BD9...I just thought someone may have figured out a workaround for this but I guess we're SOL til TSMuxeR is updated (allegedly 1st quarter, 2009) even then, there's no guarantee that it will properly support TrueHD...we can always hope, though...

[nwg]

At least for now Ts4NP can be still be used on discs that produce a movie file less than 23GB. So far, only a handful has been over that.

[nwg]

I wonder if this will work?

http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showthread.php?tid=1786

It looks like it also uses TsMuxer but TrueHD is a option. It can save as a m2ts file. NsTNP can then be used to create a BD structure.

edit.

Seems not :( Cannot load separate video/audio files.

[psme]

Saw this http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showthread.php?tid=1786&pid=142947#pid142947 in the multiAVCHD thread (I think), but can't find it now! Anyway, I have a blu-ray rip with a 5.1 TrueHD in 24/192 and decompressed size is 25G! So I gave this tools a try, IT WORKS! :) Use tsmuxer normally in blu-ray structure output with 4G file split. Then run each file in STREAM folder with the tools. Finally run AVCHDme on the BDMV folder, and PS3 plays the TrueHD track perfectly! WOW!

regards,

Li On

[nwg]

That is the same as my link above. So it corrects the TrueHD problem with Tsmuxer? It still doesn't help those who want to use separate video and audio tracks and only one file can be selected.

[brogan]

Saw this http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showthread.php?tid=1786&pid=142947#pid142947 in the multiAVCHD thread (I think), but can't find it now! Anyway, I have a blu-ray rip with a 5.1 TrueHD in 24/192 and decompressed size is 25G! So I gave this tools a try, IT WORKS! :) Use tsmuxer normally in blu-ray structure output with 4G file split. Then run each file in STREAM folder with the tools. Finally run AVCHDme on the BDMV folder, and PS3 plays the TrueHD track perfectly! WOW!

regards,

Li On



That's awesome! Have you checked the bitrate of the audio to make sure you're not just getting the AC3 playing? I hope someone tries on a BD25 or I may have to be the 1st guinea pig :)
edit: can't load seperate files? won't work for me :(:(

[nwg]

That's awesome! Have you checked the bitrate of the audio to make sure you're not just getting the AC3 playing? I hope someone tries on a BD25 or I may have to be the 1st guinea pig :)
edit: can't load seperate files? won't work for me :(:(

It is no better than Ts4NP.

[rica]

Where is Ts4NP?

[nwg]

I just read something on another forum.

To get TrueHD working through TsMuxer do as normal with TrueHD as the audio along with the required video but output as a m2ts file only. Then load the m2ts file into Ts4NP to convert the m2ts file to BD structure.

[rica]

http://www.hdd-player.de/syabas/showthread.php?tid=2285


Thanks but those links are restricted here.
Do you know any other links?

Edit: OK, one of them is still working.

Latest edit: Sorry i've just realized it was source code; could yo upload the latest version?

[psme]

That is the same as my link above. So it corrects the TrueHD problem with Tsmuxer? It still doesn't help those who want to use separate video and audio tracks and only one file can be selected.

What do you mean "who want to use separate video and audio tracks"? Why not mux the audio/video with tsmuxer first?

Yes the tools processes 1 file each time. After split file in 4G in tsmuxer, just run the tools on each of the file in the STREAM folder (I think I already said that!).

Of course the resulting TrueHD track is real! PS3 report it as TrueHD with bitrate at around 15Mbps (5.1 24/192).

I'll try the tools on more TrueHD title. If all works fine, then all the issues are fixed! :eek:

regards,

Li On

[miloka]

Yes the tools processes 1 file each time. After split file in 4G in tsmuxer, just run the tools on each of the file in the STREAM folder (I think I already said that!).


Li On

does the "core dts-hd true hd" box mean core only ? then i should uncheck it,right!?

[nwg]

What do you mean "who want to use separate video and audio tracks"? Why not mux the audio/video with tsmuxer first?


I am talking to those like myself and Brogan who want to use TrueHD and video using demuxed files. Read my other post about creating a single m2ts file in Tsmuxer first then use Ts4NP to make the BD structure so TrueHD now works. That Remuxtool software instead of Ts4NP will also work as well using the m2ts file.

I and Brogan are creating BD sized files not little 4GB ones.

[psme]

Then you already have a solution. And I think this new tools should work for you too.

I tried Ts4NP too, but PS3 can't see the TrueHD track (AVCHD mode), while this new tools works perfectly. :)

regards,

Li On

[nwg]

Then you already have a solution. And I think this new tools should work for you too.



Hope so but I am still hoping TsMuxer will sort the problem out with this new version that is supposed to be coming out.

Ts4NP still has a problem with DTS-HD audio like TsRemux before it so TsMuxer is required for that.

[brogan]

I just read something on another forum.

To get TrueHD working through TsMuxer do as normal with TrueHD as the audio along with the required video but output as a m2ts file only. Then load the m2ts file into Ts4NP to convert the m2ts file to BD structure.

I read the same thing but haven't tried it yet, my Sony SXRD just went on the fritz (I have to replace the Lamp Driver) & I wasn't able to test it out...have you given it a try, yet? When you put the TrueHD & video in Ts4NP, what settings do you use? It defaults to 2 options already checked (async & I forget the other one), I think you're supposed to uncheck one of them...it doesn't seem like too many people are really trying to get BD50s onto BD25s at the moment but hopefully either this will work or TSMuxer will be fixed w/the next update (if it does get updated again)

Let me know how you make out...

[nwg]

I haven't tried it yet but from I read the bypass audio alignment should be unchecked.

[wakebrder]

I haven't tried it yet but from I read the bypass audio alignment should be unchecked.

Confirmed this does not work on my Panasonic BD-35. The disc will not even play.

This is a small portion of The Fifth element burned to a DVD-5.

I will try replacing files as per Jamos' post and see if it makes a difference. = Same result.

Same files burned to BD-RE = same result.

I'm done until TSMuxer is updated.

[ps3hacker]

There is a new app out called tonmt. In version 5.3, there is an app called quickfix.cmd. Use tsmuxer as usual, then run this app on the resulting m2ts. Out put as either m2ts or bluray in tsmuxer, it doesnt matter. This will fix the true hd streams that are making trouble. QUOTE and the winner is... TsMuxer was setting the transport stream priority flag for ALL audio packets in the TrueHD/AC3 stream. It looks like it should only be setting the transport priority flag for the AC3 core link http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showthread.php?tid=1786&page=60

[miloka]

i did a little bit of testing . and here are my results.

with TonMt 5.3 and quickfix.cmd you can make TrueHD work.

i am using tsmuxer created blu-ray structure with 4gig split because of ps3 compatibilty.

1.movie with TrueHD track on it only --> quickfix.cmd works
result: movie with one audio track but all subs

2.movie with TrueHD and ac3 or dts

-->1. run it through TonMt5.30

prob:
no subtitles processed, just recognized
-->2. run quickfix.cmd on each file
result:movie with all audio tracks but no subs

feel free to comment

[ps3hacker]

tomnt also seems to be able to mux dtshd 7.1 channel. I think this is a first. Nevermind it seems tsmuxer handles this fine

[nwg]

I have given up on getting TrueHD to work. I have been converting it to DTS up to now and will carry on doing it. So much for that quickfix option, after 30 minutes, it still hadn't processed all the file. I canceled it. I am now just hoping a new version of Tsmuxer can handle it in the future.

[wakebrder]

It seems that True-HD is working via PCH or NMT, but actually getting a backup (True-HD) disc to play on a standalone is not yet possible??:confused:

Please TSMuxer save us!!

[wakebrder]

tomnt also seems to be able to mux dtshd 7.1 channel. I think this is a first. Nevermind it seems tsmuxer handles this fine

TSMuxer handles all DTS correctly.:)

[ps3hacker]

It seems that True-HD is working via PCH or NMT, but actually getting a backup (True-HD) disc to play on a standalone is not yet possible??:confused:

Please TSMuxer save us!!

Yes this fix works for the ps3, atleast burnt onto bluray. Plays truehd just fine. I wish someone would give it a try on a stand alone to see if it works.

[Ryu77]

Yes this fix works for the ps3, atleast burnt onto bluray. Plays truehd just fine. I wish someone would give it a try on a stand alone to see if it works.

It didn't work for The Dark Knight. It didn't work on my PC with TotalMedia Theatre, so I most definitely wasn't going to burn it to disc to prove that it wont work there either.

This is not to say that it wont work for other titles, it quite possibly could. Even Sonic Scenarist wont accept The Dark Knight's TrueHD track.

[idbirch2]

edit: This tool is now redundant, TSMuxer has been updated to fix this problem.

[miloka]

you are simply the best!!!no need to do it file by file .

just awesomm!!!!!:thanks::thanks::thanks:

[wakebrder]

Yes this fix works for the ps3, atleast burnt onto bluray. Plays truehd just fine. I wish someone would give it a try on a stand alone to see if it works.

Confirmed working using BD-RE media on Panasonic BD-35!!:)

Movie is a small portion of The Fifth Element.


However, the same files burned to DVD media produce choppy audio/video.

[idbirch2]

However, the same files burned to DVD media produce choppy audio/video.It could just be that the bitrate is too high for the dvdr read speed of the player.

[brogan]

Confirmed working using BD-RE media on Panasonic BD-35!!:)

Movie is a small portion of The Fifth Element.


However, the same files burned to DVD media produce choppy audio/video.



Could you post exactly how you did this to get it working? I want to recreate the steps you did to see if I can get it to work. Did you demux the streams using TSmuxer, 1st? I've been demuxing using either eac3to or TSmuxer, re-encoding the video using RipBot then remuxing the streams w/TSmuxer but having the same problems as everyone else has. Once you get the BDMV folder, run this TrueHD fix app & it should fix the problems? That will be awesome, I need to give this a whirl...

[wakebrder]

It could just be that the bitrate is too high for the dvdr read speed of the player.

I think you are correct.

I just split a 2 gb chunk out of the main movie without re-encoding, so the bitrate was untouched.

[wakebrder]

Could you post exactly how you did this to get it working? I want to recreate the steps you did to see if I can get it to work. Did you demux the streams using TSmuxer, 1st? I've been demuxing using either eac3to or TSmuxer, re-encoding the video using RipBot then remuxing the streams w/TSmuxer but having the same problems as everyone else has. Once you get the BDMV folder, run this TrueHD fix app & it should fix the problems? That will be awesome, I need to give this a whirl...

Use TSMuxer to strip everything but main video and True-HD track.

Use Quickfix.cmd or idbirch2's True-HD fixer GUI on your .m2ts files.

True HD problem solved.:)

A huge thanks to dburckh for making this possible!!!

[mochevolete]

remuxTool works great for me with AVCHD structures on an external HDD played back on the PS3, it's brilliant to finally get TrueHD working. I've made a GUI for remuxTool which takes the hassle out of running it manually on multiple .m2ts files. You can download it here (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?qwmrmyymydz).

Here's a screenshot:



When first run, it will ask you where you want to place remuxTool.jar, this only appears on first run or if it is found to be missing. After that, you get what you see above. Point to the BDMV folder and press Apply. I've tesed on Batman (1989) and Batman Begins so far.
Hi idbirch2,
please what's the correct method to use the tool ?
I don't need the 4GB split.
At first do I have to use tsmuxer on the BR that I want to strip down and then use the tool ?

:thanks: Nik

[idbirch2]

The process flow is to first create your BluRay structure as normal with TSMuxer. If there is a TrueHD audio stream, run the .cmd file which comes with RemuxTool and point it at the main movie .m2ts file. You do not need to specify an output path as it patches the existing file. It should take ~10-15 minutes to process a 30GB m2ts. That's it really, now just play your BluRay structure however you normally do. If you do use the 4GB split method, I recommend downloading the GUI I made otherwise you have to run the cmd and point to each .m2ts file in turn - snore!

[nwg]

What happens with a disc with AC3, TrueHD and DTS? I tried it on the Top Gun HD DVD. I did movie only in TsMuxer and kept those 3 audio tracks. It didn't work.