My first rip/convert 30% larger than expected

[yogi_bear_79]

I ripped and converted Fracture to .avi. The end result ended up just over 1Gb, I had expected about 700Mb.

I tried for the most part to follow this guide:
http://mewiki.project357.com/wiki/MeGUI/Basic_DVD_Ripping_Guide

I used DVDFab5 to rip the main movie and 5.1 soundtrack. I had a few problems along the way, the bit rate calculator didn't allow me to choose avi, so I used the numbers it came up with for an mkv. When I went to mux the audio back in i ended up having to use my .ac3 file versus my .ogg one, because MeGUI wasn't allowing me to use the .ogg.

My AVS file is:

DGDecode_mpeg2source("G:\DVD RIPS\MainMovie\FRACTURE_WIDESCREEN\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.d2v",info=3)
ColorMatrix(hints=true)
#deinterlace
crop( 0, 56, 0, -60)

#resize
Undot() # Minimal Noise


The begining of my d2v file is

DGIndexProjectFile16
5
G:\DVD RIPS\MainMovie\FRACTURE_WIDESCREEN\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
G:\DVD RIPS\MainMovie\FRACTURE_WIDESCREEN\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.VOB
G:\DVD RIPS\MainMovie\FRACTURE_WIDESCREEN\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_3.VOB
G:\DVD RIPS\MainMovie\FRACTURE_WIDESCREEN\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_4.VOB
G:\DVD RIPS\MainMovie\FRACTURE_WIDESCREEN\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_5.VOB

Stream_Type=1
MPEG_Type=2
iDCT_Algorithm=6
YUVRGB_Scale=1
Luminance_Filter=0,0
Clipping=0,0,0,0
Aspect_Ratio=16:9
Picture_Size=720x480
Field_Operation=0
Frame_Rate=29970 (30000/1001)
Location=0,0,4,3f3d4

While my finished product looks fine. I'm not sure it is worth the extra 30%. Compounded across my DVD collection that is going to add up. Also something else I don't fully understand, when you convert to AVI are you getting 5.1 audio or not?

Any insight would be very much appreciated

[linyx]

When I went to mux the audio back in i ended up having to use my .ac3 file versus my .ogg one, because MeGUI wasn't allowing me to use the .ogg.
I guarantee that is the problem.

when you convert to AVI are you getting 5.1 audio or not?
Depends entirely upon your codec choices, if you use mp3 then no, you won't; but if you use ac3 (i think that's the one avi works with anyway) then yes, you can have 5.1 if you configure it properly. I would advise using the mkv container instead though, since it supports aac which can better compress the audio (and it does support 5.1). Lastly, if you are using NTSC dvds, then I would try adding this to your AviSynth script:
Telecide(Guide=1).Decimate()
It will *convert* the framerate to ~23.976 which IMO helps the quality (more bits per frame, but fewer frames).

[manono]

And he can probably just use Forced Film in DGIndex and get a 23.976fps D2V right off the bat. I don't know the film, but based on a couple of reviews I read it's been encoded as progressive 23.976fps with pulldown applied to output 29.97fps. I take it that yogi_bear_79 didn't run the MeGUI analysis step, which should have alerted him to the fact that the correct framerate is 23.976fps.

[yogi_bear_79]

Ok, finally got a chance to try this again.

@manono: since this is my first rip/convert I was using the before mentioned guide. It didn't mention using the "MeGUI analysis step:. Also, the guide tells you to use the built in D2V creater whcih doesn't give any options such as ForcedFilm in DGIndex.

@linyx: Ok, with your tips I was able to get the file down to an expected size. I also used .MKV. Unfortunatley there were some quality issues. When played back there were a lot of horizontal lines when something moved quickly. I am trying .avi now to see if there is a differance. One thing I thought was odd, which may be normal was a bitrate of 411.

Another thought, when played back from the DVD the size of the movie on the screen is much larger than the MKV version. I did crop off the black bars as indicated.

[yogi_bear_79]

With this AVS file:

DGDecode_mpeg2source("G:\DVD RIPS\MainMovie\FRACTURE_WIDESCREEN\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.d2v")
tfm(order=1).tdecimate(hybrid=1)
crop( 0, 56, 0, -60)

Spline36Resize(720,304) # Spline36 (Neutral)
Undot() # Minimal Noise

I was able to get the video sized correctly and playback seemed good. The DVD is still a little better, so I will attempt another aimed at 1Gb.

Can't say for sure on the 5.1 yet, seems I am having a problme getting 5.1 from my SoundCard to my Onkyo Receiver via digital coax.

[linyx]

Unfortunatley there were some quality issues. When played back there were a lot of horizontal lines when something moved quickly.
That sounds like an interlacing issue, you probably didn't deinterlace it correctly. Post a short (10 seconds or more) sample of your source (DVD or whatever, NOT the converted version) here and we can look at what kind of interlacing it has, and how to deal with it.