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weaver4
13th January 2009, 04:13
Using 2.52b I encodes a movie with "Stand Alone Support - ESS" turned both on and off. The filesizes were identical and I could not find anything in the log which suggested that ESS support was enabled.

Here is the log of the encoding with ESS support enabled.

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[1/12/2009 7:24:19 PM] AutoGK 2.52b
[1/12/2009 7:24:19 PM] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[1/12/2009 7:24:19 PM] Job started.
[1/12/2009 7:24:19 PM] Input file: D:\aa-Rips\Tx\VTS_01_0.IFO
[1/12/2009 7:24:19 PM] Output file: E:\Movies-Other\aa-Tx-Test\Test on 1-12-08\Tx.xagkq67-ESS.avi
[1/12/2009 7:24:19 PM] Output codec: XviD
[1/12/2009 7:24:19 PM] Audio 1: English AC3 6ch
[1/12/2009 7:24:19 PM] Subtitles: none
[1/12/2009 7:24:19 PM] Format: AVI
[1/12/2009 7:24:19 PM] Target quality: 67%
[1/12/2009 7:24:19 PM] Custom resolution settings: fixed width of 640 pixels
[1/12/2009 7:24:19 PM] Audio 1 settings: CBR MP3 with bitrate: 128Kbps
[1/12/2009 7:24:19 PM] Started encoding.
[1/12/2009 7:24:19 PM] Demuxing and indexing.
[1/12/2009 7:25:59 PM] Processing file: D:\aa-Rips\Tx\VTS_01_1.VOB
[1/12/2009 7:25:59 PM] Processing file: D:\aa-Rips\Tx\VTS_01_2.VOB
[1/12/2009 7:25:59 PM] Processing file: D:\aa-Rips\Tx\VTS_01_3.VOB
[1/12/2009 7:25:59 PM] Processing file: D:\aa-Rips\Tx\VTS_01_4.VOB
[1/12/2009 7:25:59 PM] Processing file: D:\aa-Rips\Tx\VTS_01_5.VOB
[1/12/2009 7:25:59 PM] Processing file: D:\aa-Rips\Tx\VTS_01_6.VOB
[1/12/2009 7:25:59 PM] Processing file: D:\aa-Rips\Tx\VTS_01_7.VOB
[1/12/2009 7:25:59 PM] Source resolution: 720x480
[1/12/2009 7:25:59 PM] Found NTSC source.
[1/12/2009 7:25:59 PM] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[1/12/2009 7:25:59 PM] Source seems to be pure FILM.
[1/12/2009 7:25:59 PM] Output will contain 206364 frames
[1/12/2009 7:25:59 PM] Decoding audio.
[1/12/2009 7:28:44 PM] Normalizing audio.
[1/12/2009 7:29:08 PM] Encoding audio.
[1/12/2009 7:41:22 PM] Running single pass encoding.
[1/12/2009 7:41:22 PM] Writing the following script to E:\Movies-Other\aa-Tx-Test\Test on 1-12-08\agk_tmp\Tx.xagkq67-ESS_movie.avs
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LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE3.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("E:\Movies-Other\aa-Tx-Test\Test on 1-12-08\agk_tmp\Tx.xagkq67-ESS.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 1.18518518518519
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 640
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
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[1/12/2009 8:34:55 PM] Duration was: 53 minutes 29 seconds
[1/12/2009 8:34:55 PM] Speed was: 64.30 fps.
[1/12/2009 8:34:55 PM] Job finished. Total time: 1 hour, 10 minutes 35 seconds
len0x
13th January 2009, 19:56
I can't believe you didn't pick up on this, but you're using target quality mode instead of two pass encoding, so standalone options are ignored...
weaver4
13th January 2009, 21:28
But do you remember this thread?

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125188&highlight=ess

and this thread

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=112996&highlight=ess

Nixo Claimed that if you turn on .ess that the H263 quantization would be used instead of Sharktooth's Matrix and the file size would be smaller. I tired it and he was right the file size did get much smaller. This test was done with a Target Quality of 67% That is why I was repeating the test again with the latest build.
houstonemt
16th January 2009, 21:39
By reading this thread, I know that ESS is ignored when going for target quality. Since this is ignored, what potential is there for playing these files on standalone since ESS is ignored?

Thanks
BigDid
17th January 2009, 01:52
Hi,

Strange, I just happen to make some short encodes with 1 pass target quality 100% with Ess Option; here is the script:

[16/01/2009 14:12:38] AutoGK 2.52b
[16/01/2009 14:12:38] OS: WinXP (5.1.2600).2
[16/01/2009 14:12:38] Job started.
[16/01/2009 14:12:38] Input file: G:\RIP\PLANET_OF_THE_APES_DISC1\VTS_01_7.VOB
[16/01/2009 14:12:38] Output file: G:\RIP\PLANET_OF_THE_APES_DISC1\VTS_01_7 V2 100 ess.avi
[16/01/2009 14:12:38] Output codec: XviD
[16/01/2009 14:12:38] Audio: none
[16/01/2009 14:12:38] Subtitles: none
[16/01/2009 14:12:38] Format: AVI
[16/01/2009 14:12:38] Target quality: 100%
[16/01/2009 14:12:38] Standalone support enabled: ESS
[16/01/2009 14:12:38] Started encoding.
[16/01/2009 14:12:38] Demuxing and indexing.
[16/01/2009 14:12:56] Processing file: G:\RIP\PLANET_OF_THE_APES_DISC1\VTS_01_7.VOB
[16/01/2009 14:12:56] Source resolution: 720x576
[16/01/2009 14:12:56] Found PAL source.
[16/01/2009 14:12:56] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[16/01/2009 14:12:56] Analyzing source.
[16/01/2009 14:13:52] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 0,00
[16/01/2009 14:13:52] Source is considered to be progressive.
[16/01/2009 14:13:52] Output will contain 17779 frames
[16/01/2009 14:13:52] Running single pass encoding...

I have verified (avinaptic) that the H263 matrix was really used in the final avi.
Btw, the H263 avi is bigger than the EqmV2..

By reading this thread, I know that ESS is ignored when going for target quality. Since this is ignored, what potential is there for playing these files on standalone since ESS is ignored?

Thanks

So houstonemt, now that I have given a different statement what do YOU think?

Did
len0x
17th January 2009, 15:51
We have somewhat deviated from the original question which was why ess was not indicated to used and as BigDid indicated it still works correctly in 2.52b. As it was quite some time for me, I thought originally i have disabled standalone support in quality mode since its not that useful (even if matrix is switched automatically, VBV buffer protection isn't working in single pass mode in XviD anyway). But it seems no - it still allows to set standalone option for quality mode, which I would consider rather a bug and intend to rectify.