Am i right in thinking that the PS3 won't do full BD-9 disc menu backups yet?

[sidneysides]

I am doing backups with tsmuxer from MKVs which work on PS3, but haven't done a full disc BD-9 (DVD Dual Layer) from BD-Rebuilder yet (my computer isn't that quick) - got 23GB of Blu Ray on the HD ready to go though.
Before I put my PC through the mill for 48 hours +, can someone answer my question!
Thanks

[mech61]

No the ps3 wont do menus just movie only, well mine wont anyway with all the latest updates etc. I stream all my BD and HD content from my pc to my ps3, no need to convert to disk.

[Furiousflea]

^ Just to confirm, it's a DEFINATE no no...At least for now ;)

There's a feeling among a lot of people that it will be supported at some point\or some dirty hack found but nothing as of yet (at least nothing that supports BD-Java as more and more discs are using)

[sidneysides]

Will it not support it even with BD-R discs?

[jdobbs]

The reports I have seen are that BD-R/BD-RE work fine. But I personally don't own a PS3 so I can't attest to it.

[drmih]

The PS3 works fine with BD-R/-RE as long as you remember to burn them as UDF 2.5. If you don't, they are seen as Data Discs. I did try a bd-9 disc and it certainly didn't work but I can't rememer if it has it as a Data Disc. If it does, I think that you can navigate to the 'STREAM' directory and play the individula stream - unlike HD-DVD, the whole film is kept in one file (I can't remember whether I did this with a BD-9 or the first BD-RE disc which I forgot to burn as UDF 2.5).

I'll try again tonight, as if it does you can still produce a BD-9 which works fine on a PC, or I believe certain standalone players, and maybe use on the PS3 by selecting a stream.

[jdobbs]

...unlike HD-DVD, the whole film is kept in one file (I can't remember whether I did this with a BD-9 or the first BD-RE disc which I forgot to burn as UDF 2.5).Just a clarification. Most discs have the entire movie in one M2TS. But if there are multiple angles, or more than one version of the film (e.g. theatrical and directors cut) you may find the film spread across several M2TSs. The playlist (.MPLS) file holds the playback sequence.

[sidneysides]

I have done AVHCD format on DVD-9 dual layer and these are recognised bu the PS3 and play perfectly, obviously movie only, no menus etc. Jdobbs, when you say that BD-r discs work, do you mean that BD Rebulder will create a full Blu Ray strucure with menus too?

[jdobbs]

I have done AVHCD format on DVD-9 dual layer and these are recognised bu the PS3 and play perfectly, obviously movie only, no menus etc. Jdobbs, when you say that BD-r discs work, do you mean that BD Rebulder will create a full Blu Ray strucure with menus too?Yes.

I'm sure there are bugs still lurking, but for the most part there are no issues in playback if you output a full backup to BD-RE or BD-R (BD-25). The PS3 just doesn't seem to be able to play a full backup when it is written to BD-5 or BD-9 (DVD+-R SL/DL).

[drmih]

Okay, I have now tried it and can confirm that a disc done by BD-RB and put on a dvd-9 will not play as a blu ray disc on a ps3. However, it appears as a data disc and if you go to the STREAMS directory it lists the M2TS files and you can play them individually. As it shows the length it's not hard to pick out the movie.
Not perfect but what do people expect - bloody great first stab. Interestingly the dvd-9 is written as UDF 2.5 but is still seen as a data disc. It behaves the same as a bd if it's a UDF 1.0

[sidneysides]

That's odd - doesn't it output to the same folder structure as tsmuxer would? I have burned lots of these now after muxing with tsmuxer to a m2ts file and burned (UDF 2.5) with imgburn and it shows up as AVHCD on the PS3 (firmware 2.1 I think). Did you burn directly to imgburn or add the folders yourself? I know this is only main movie though, as my first query was about full backup with menus etc. Was yours a full backup?

[jdobbs]

That's odd - doesn't it output to the same folder structure as tsmuxer would?No. TSMUXER outputs a very simple format compared to a typical full backup. In full backup mode BD-RB uses the same structure as the original disc.

[drmih]

I did a full disc backup, then copied the complete file structure using Nero as a UDF structure with a manual override to give UDF 2.5.

[jdobbs]

I've never tried Nero... but it sounds right. I can make discs burned with ImgBurn work on my standalone -- but I haven't heard of any significant successes (other than movie-only) for the PS-3.

[drmih]

Is there any way to over-ride the disc flag - I certainly remember there were batches of blank discs some time ago which had their flags changed to make them look like more expensive brands, however still dvd-r. Is the information which identifies a dvd-r from a bd-r written in the header or is it more complex?

Just for interest, what is your standalone?

[jdobbs]

It's a little more complicated than that -- because BD actually uses a different laser than DVD.

[turbojet]

maybe firmware hacking would be the easiest way to overcome it?

[jdobbs]

I'm hoping there is some format that will work or that there will be a firmware update that will make it work. Right now, though, the fact that it doesn't even recognize the disc as anything other than data isn't a good sign for the PS3.

[Furiousflea]

Is there any way to over-ride the disc flag - I certainly remember there were batches of blank discs some time ago which had their flags changed to make them look like more expensive brands, however still dvd-r. Is the information which identifies a dvd-r from a bd-r written in the header or is it more complex?

Just for interest, what is your standalone?

It's called "bitsettting" You can "bitset" a DVD+R DL disc to "DVD-ROM". Many players will think it is a DVD-ROM and treat it as such. For example many older DVD-ROM drives on computers will then read the disc at full speed (most drives read burnt media at a slower speed than pressed media).

As jdobbs has said this has nothing to do with playing BD9's except if the player can play BD9's already from -ROM media.

I'm yet to see anyone who has played a BD9-ROM dics (A pressed dual layer DVD-ROM that has the BD structure on it) I believe it is in the "standard" so players should support it by defenition. But it seems that they don't...As of yet.

I'm not sure that there are even any releaees on "BD9" so that would be why ;) ...Why would a company bother to support something that isn't needed by the "masses".

[jdobbs]

There are definitely players that can play BD-9s -- my Sony is an example. I have no problem playing with menus, BD-J, and all features on the discs that I've written to single and dual layer DVD+Rs.

[alluringreality]

There are only a few players that can play Blu-ray files from DVD media, but the PS3 hasn't been reported to do that. In over two years since the PS3 release the only reports I'm aware of to play HD video from DVD media outside of file mode on the PS3 are discs based around AVCHD. For example, the tsMuxer "Blu-ray" option is based around AVCHD so it will play on the PS3 outside of file mode. AVCHD does support menus, but tsMuxer doesn't directly allow for authoring menus. At this time probably the easiest way for a home user to create AVCHD with complex menus using 24p AVC video and not transcoding audio is with Adobe Encore and running the output through AVCHD-Patcher. The only issue I've ran into with Encore is that there appears to be a chapter-related bug at times that will not let you build, but BDedit can also be used for chapters. There also appear to be some other programs in the authoring area for creating AVCHD with menus - I haven't tried multiAVCHD and JAMAT myself, but I would expect them to play on the PS3 by AVCHD in their names.

[mrwhitethc]

multiAVCHD works great for creating a menu off of a DVD5 that will play in my PS3, however my footage was 4x3 encoded with --sar8:9 in x264 and would fill the screen on playback. I have not found any way to keep the aspect ratio of 4x3 when playing back AVCHD with or without menus.

[Furiousflea]

multiAVCHD works great for creating a menu off of a DVD5 that will play in my PS3, however my footage was 4x3 encoded with --sar8:9 in x264 and would fill the screen on playback. I have not found any way to keep the aspect ratio of 4x3 when playing back AVCHD with or without menus.

This has been clarified already earlier in the thread.

Currently - Won't play BD9s at all

A BD9 has nothing to do with AVCHD. It's well known the PS3 can play AVCHD along with most other standalones on the market. This is NOT the topic.

[drmih]

I think it should be reclarified that the ps3 will play the data from a bd-9 disc but not in the same user friendly way as a normal bd disc. If like me you want to keep the correct structure on a bd-9 after using BD-rebuiler, for future proofing, all you need to do on the ps3 is to navigate to the STREAM directory and play the individual tracks one by one. The ps3 gives full details of the tracks so it's easy to identify the movie from the major extras and the other smaller video segments like trailers, copyright etc.