Newie Question for Blu-Ray Backup

[aba101280]

Hi,


i found lots of information here for backing up blu-Rays. Thanks a lot for all this stuff. This is great. I made a few tries today with eac3 but have a few questions regarding to the proper format

1) Ripping the Blu-Ray with AnyDV --> Easy to understand
2) I found a Gui for EAC3To which is really easy to understand You can load your folder there and make step by step the new file

I did that with the Police Blu-Ray (Vc1 and TrueHD 5.1 Track)

a) Audio to Flac
b) Video to VC1
c) Mux Audio and Video to MKV with MKVMerge. I thought this would work on my PC but unfortunatelly it does not. It doesn't start to play in the MPC Player and gives an error that there's no flac decoder. After confirming the video starts. Unfortunatelly it's not really working...lot's of judder and errors in picture.


So my question would be

1) Is MKV the right container
2) Is there a working multichannel flac Decoder or would it be better to take another lossless format

Thanks a lot and Regrads,

Alex

[QuadcoreHD]

Creating an ISO with ImgBurn would help, however there are some caveats:

1. You would probably have to use TSMuxer instead of eac3to. Eac3to is an amazing program, but I personally find TSMuxer easier to use.
2. You would have to have access to PowerDVD. This comes with a lot of BD roms, but not all of them, and if you didnt get it in that way, you'd have to purchase it.

I'll wait to hear back from you before i go any further away from your original question

-Q

[dat720]

The skipping could be a coupla things.... the main ones i can think of are CPU or Graphics card not powerful enough or the BD in questions has overlaps.... eac3to can fix this.

QuadcoreHD, have you ever tried using the -demux option of eac3to???

It simply demuxes the entire disc, all tracks... then you just remux it with the streams you want, delete the rest.
I find eaac3to to eb the best of the demuxers around.... i plain don't use anything else.

PS aba101280 this sort of question should be posted in the Audio or Newbie sub forum, as you have successfully decrypted the disc, hence your question has nothing to do with decrypting.

[QuadcoreHD]

@dat720,

You know what, I NEVER do...and I think it's time.

I'm so ingrained in TSMuxer, what do you think the benefits/advantages of eac3to are?

[dat720]

well it does the seemless branching all on its own.... it does the gap fix aswell.....

Plus it's almost to easy to demux a disc.... eac3to e: 1) -demux
I have a few bat files setup for various task's and i either just double click or drag a file onto a bat if im doing a DTS to AC3 conversion

Heres a simple one to demux a disc.
@echo off
d:
cd "D:\VidTools\BD Disc"
d:\vidtools\eac3to\eac3to.exe e: 1) -demux
pause

the cd "D:\VidTools\BD Disc" simply changes the working directory where i will be demuxing to.... very simple, it takes around 15-20 mins then i just delete the streams i don't want then mux with tsMuxeR and wallah... done

Of course while it's demuxed i can take the oportunity to compress to a new h264 raw stream and convert any audio tracks to ac3 for use with the PS3....

PS i'm also working on my own eac3to front end which is soley aimed at converting audio to different formats.
When i'm brave enough i might atempt one to handle video aswell.

[QuadcoreHD]

@dat720,

Forgive me if this is an incredibly newbie question (I feel like I should no more after working with BDs for some months now) but is your new h.264 stream 1080p? If so, how much more compressed is it than whatever video file came on the disc?

For example, if your compressing a video stream on a disc with a 20gig VC-1 or h.264 stream, how much "smaller" is your new stream, if any?

[dat720]

Well for instance Transformers HD was 23gb or something around that, i have gotten it down to 9.3gb without loosing any noticable quality....
Most other movies i can get to 8gb or less, but Transformers is a long movie with allot of highspeed scenes and explosions.

Yes i do all my rips in 1080p (even keeping the borders so i can burn to a DVD5/9 at a later date if required)
If i settle on 720P i can usually get movies onto a single layer DVD (but i rarely settle for 720P)

[SamuriHL]

Quad, this is what we were discussing the other day. EAC3TO is what I'm using now for all my BD rips, as well. dat720, you recommend tsmuxer over tsremux for authoring the ripped streams? That's the part I have to try more when I get home this weekend. I want to know how well it works with TrueHD and all that. I like making movie only rips and converting them to an ISO that I can mount and play in TMT.

Reencoding is fine and all if you're burning to SL discs, but, since I have a large hard drive, I choose not to do any reencoding of the streams for my own backups. I still wish there was a transcoding engine for BD streams. This would be faster than reencoding and generally keep most of the quality. The BD tools are still evolving. Give it time. But Quad, eac3to gets my vote for demuxing, as well, as we've discussed recently.

[dat720]

I do have a 1tb drive in my MythTV (for a total of 1.5tb including the 500gb main disk) box doing the streaming to the PS3... but nearly 40 BD/HD rips takes up some space :P 233gb to be precise!

[eaf]

well it does the seemless branching all on its own.... it does the gap fix aswell.....

Wait, so when I open a playlist in TSMuxer, it doesn't do all this?

[dat720]

Yes it does, but you have to identify the playlist, eac3to sorts this out on its own.

One of the main reason's i use eac3to rather than tsMuxer is eac3to identifies audio tracks properly, ie it shows the lanuage of the audio and sub tracks.... tsMuxer doesn't (well on the disc's i have tried it with anyway)

[eaf]

Good... I use BDInfo to drill down to the right playlist. In my experience, using TSMuxer is faster because it reads files directly from Blu-Ray (with the help of AnyDVD running in the background) and produces the final fully muxed m2ts on HDD. With eac3to I'd need double amount of space on HDD plus it would be longer.

[dat720]

As i've said previously i recode the video to take up less space and transcode the audio to ac3, or the PS3 won't play it.

My deal is use the demux option on a BD/HD.... walk away and do some stuff that needs doing in the house... come back and drag the video stream onto my "ps3" batch file, then drag the audio to my "convert to ac3" batch file then mux to m2ts.

[SamuriHL]

dat720,

I still have to ask...what are you muxing it with? Cause I'm told that even after ripping the streams with eac3to (and I'm now a very big fan of this method) if you have a TrueHD track it still won't work right in TSMuxer when muxing it back together. Are you using TSRemux for this process?

[dat720]

I don't have a copy of power dvd so i can't confirm that, i cant seem to get eac3 playback working in vlc, mplayer, mpc-hc or wmp


Edit: I found a copy of PowerDVD 7.3 in my "hardware cd" pile and it will play m2ts files created with tsMuxeR with AC3 audio, but seems to fail on a file that only has EAC3 audio.

With files that have multiple audio tracks (1 AC3 and 1 EAC3) it doesnt even give me the option to change to another audio track.