BD-RB: not-so-technical questions

[tyte_E_YT]

First of all, thank you for your time and efforts. This is really cool!!
My first attempt was a main movie only backup of Eagle Eye. This is going from 35 gigs to 22.5. (BD25) I didn't check the 'auto-burn to disc with imgburn' option. When I try to burn it within BD-RB manually, it gives me the error: Can't find Eagle Eye AC -- cannot burn. I have the folder loaded up ok, as it can be seen in the 'stream' section. Ok, no prob, so I go into imgburn and pick 'burn files/folders to disc.' I checked the options: I set it to UDF 2.50 and I gave it a volume label "Eagle Eye." I used the calculator on the right and it confirmed the total size was under 25 gigs. It burned pretty fast at 4x, but the resulting product doesn't show up or do anything in my LG drive in winblows. When I try to explore it, it appears as if nothing is on it. I know Ritek media stinks, but the price was right at ~$3 apiece.

Thanks in advance for any tips!

[jdobbs]

Try running it again -- it should recognize that it has already been encoded and only do the rebuild. It sounds like it never created the directory needed (that' what BD-RB looks for when it tries to write).

[Chefkoch_ico]

Hi!

For me, this sounds like Windows XP, no UDF driver installed and AnyDVD not running. In this case UDF cannot be read by Windows.

Solution, install UDF driver (dont know where to find, google), enable AnyDVD also for the copied discs or use Vista (built in UDF driver).

Nevertheless, PowerDVD should play it, even if its not visible for the explorer under Windows XP.

Bye

[tyte_E_YT]

I should have tried it in the ps3, because it works great! I couldn't find any exact steps for how to manually write it with ImgBurn, so I was a little worried.

You know you've done a good job when a noob can get it right the first time. Cheers mate!

[blutach]

You manually burn it with ImgBurn the same way you manually burn anything else. Use build mode and drag the project folder onto the Drop Zone. The calculator will tell you what media you need and then insert the media and press the green button.

Regards

[tyte_E_YT]

Of course, Blutach. At first I wondered if I would need to build an iso out of the files before I could burn, but ImgBurn was able to write the files and folders to disk without the need to clear up another 25 gigs.

Has anyone tried Dead Space Downfall? I've had errors, crashes...at one point I had to hard reset my pc because it was coming up with a bsod at boot. It was something about kernel data corruption.

[20:28:50] BD Rebuilder v0.17.12 (beta)
- Input BD size: 17.86 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:14:24.460]
- Target BD size: 7.72 GB
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
[20:28:52] PHASE ONE, Encoding
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[21:05:31] BD Rebuilder v0.17.12 (beta)
- Input BD size: 17.86 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:14:24.460]
- Target BD size: 7.72 GB
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
[21:05:33] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [21:10:51] Reencoding: VID_00001 ( 1 of 1 )
- Reached retry limit. Aborting.
[23:24:55]PHASE ONE complete
[23:24:55]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
[23:24:55] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[23:24:55] BURNING BD structure to disc
- Burn-to-disc WAS NOT COMPLETED successfully
[23:24:58]JOB: DEAD_SPACE_DOWNFALL completed.
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[23:49:12] BD Rebuilder v0.17.12 (beta)
- Input BD size: 19.30 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:24:10.487]
- Target BD size: 7.72 GB
[23:49:12] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [23:49:14] Reencoding: VID_00012 (1 of 9)
- [23:49:22] Reencoding: VID_00006 (2 of 9)
- [23:49:36] Reencoding: VID_00003 (3 of 9)
- [23:49:55] Reencoding: VID_00010 (4 of 9)
- [23:50:33] Reencoding: VID_00007 (5 of 9)
- [23:52:46] Reencoding: VID_00000 (6 of 9)
- [23:53:55] Reencoding: VID_00008 (7 of 9)
- [23:55:22] Reencoding: VID_00009 (8 of 9)
- [00:04:59] Reencoding: VID_00001 (9 of 9)

[tyte_E_YT]

Does BD-RB benefit from a vista 64-bit environment? Or would I encounter more bugs/problems than using xp?

[turbojet]

Does BD-RB benefit from a vista 64-bit environment? Or would I encounter more bugs/problems than using xp?

It's been working fine with vista 64 for me. It isn't noticably faster, but definitely not slower. I haven't tried avisynth 64 bit yet but the last build I could find was from 2005. A new 64 bit avisynth build might speed things up noticably. Also if BD-RB gets avs2yuv -> 64 bit x264 support it would be a small noticable speedup for 64 bit os's.

[tyte_E_YT]

Thanks for your reply, turbojet. I saw some talk in the feature request thread about x264 64-bit. Wouldn't it be a cooler world if ms, intel and amd would subsidize some software guys to improve the programs we use? I can't justify spending $600 on an i7 rig just to put xp on it. Sure BD-RB would work faster, but by the time most programs are using the full potential of a 64-bit os...the hardware prices will be cheaper.

[datman]

First off this is going to be a great program. So far my results have been mixed. I had problems at first because I had ffdshow set up wrong. After that I had a few that worked perfect.
I have not been able to get my 2nd computer to work at all. I get a "one pass x264" error


On my primary computer, this has been very slow it started out at .65 I went to bed and it was on the 2nd pass and the speed was .14 and only 65% done. I'm converting "A room with a view" from a remuxed ISO file. (the original is a HD-DVD disc) Is this normal? All my recent test the 1st pass speed has been around .65 and the 2nd much slower .24 or so. Also on this test for some reason ffdshow was not activated in the task bar.

another thing I have noticed, on all my sucessful test the file could be played in PDVD (3319a) but the ISO file would not play in PDVD-8, not one. I get an unsupported disc error.

[tyte_E_YT]

Is it somewhere in the faqs and I missed it? I can't figure out how to pause and resume a project. I saw the save and open project commands and tried them, but it still says "Working folder not empty, delete all old files?"

[jdobbs]

If you stop it and start again it will pick up where it left off as long as none of the settings have changed. Unfortunately, though, if you stopped it in the middle of a big encode pass, that entire pass will have to be redone.

[datman]

being able to pause during an encode would be cool, if it was possible

[datman]

every encode the 1st pass is at .55 speed or about 13 fps and the 2nd pass is .15 or 3.12 fps. Is this normal?

[WalleO]

Hey guys whats the % difference in quality loss going from Fair quality to High in the encode menu? i know it sounds like a silly question, but i ve seen a 400 percent increase in my completion time going from high encode to fair. i took m3 about 13 hours for a high encode and it seems i could be done with a fair encode in like 3 hours. so if the quaality is at least 80% the quality of a high encode, i think i would be a good trade off. what do you guys think?

[Dark Shikari]

Hey guys whats the % difference in quality loss going from Fair quality to High in the encode menu? i know it sounds like a silly question, but i ve seen a 400 percent increase in my completion time going from high encode to fair. i took m3 about 13 hours for a high encode and it seems i could be done with a fair encode in like 3 hours. so if the quaality is at least 80% the quality of a high encode, i think i would be a good trade off. what do you guys think?Dropping psy-RD (which I assume happens from High -> Fair) decreases visual quality enormously, especially at BD-5/BD-9 sizes.

At BD-25 you probably can't tell the difference, and I'd recommend having more speed modes, like an "ultra crazy fast" mode, just for BD-25 since one can get away with much worse settings at such a high bitrate.

[x_specter_x]

What software BD player works with the BD discs from BD rebuilder? I have tried WinDVD 9 and PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra (came with my BD DVD reader). Neither of them is playing back my burned dvds. They were burned as UDF 2.5... has anyone else had this problem with playback on a PC?

[MikeyBK]

What software BD player works with the BD discs from BD rebuilder? I have tried WinDVD 9 and PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra (came with my BD DVD reader). Neither of them is playing back my burned dvds. They were burned as UDF 2.5... has anyone else had this problem with playback on a PC?

One thing you could try is to open the BD from the 'Open Folder' function in your player. Navigate to the disc drive and launch.

[gizzin]

Dark shakiri you will come in handy when it comes to whats the best quality settings for different sizes. What would you add to the settings for BD-RB DVD5/9? (High quality mode that is). Jdobbs luckily I have a Sony BDP-300 :)

[Dark Shikari]

Dark shakiri you will come in handy when it comes to whats the best quality settings for different sizes. What would you add to the settings for BD-RB DVD5/9? (High quality mode that is). Jdobbs luckily I have a Sony BDP-300 :)

Very High Quality: --subme 9 --me umh --ref 4 --bframes 3 --b-adapt 2 --mixed-refs --8x8dct --direct auto --trellis 1 --weightb --threads auto (b-adapt 2 and direct auto must be on in the first pass)
Description: Everything and the kitchen sink, but no insane settings.

High Quality: --subme 7 --me hex --ref 3 --bframes 3 --direct auto --8x8dct --weightb --threads auto (direct auto must be on in the first pass)
Description: A good balance.

Medium Quality: --subme 6 --me hex --ref 2 --bframes 3 --direct auto --8x8dct --weightb --threads auto (direct auto must be on in the first pass)
Description: A good balance, but toned down a bit.

Low Quality: --subme 3 --me hex --bframes 3 --8x8dct --weightb --threads auto
Description: Much faster, but with a significant quality penalty.

Ultra-Low Quality: --subme 1 --me dia --partitions i8x8,i4x4 --bframes 3 --8x8dct --threads auto
Description: Even faster, but with a very large quality penalty.

Ultra-Fast: --subme 0 --no-cabac --partitions none --me dia --aq-mode 0
Description: Incredibly fast, but with an enormous quality penalty.

The last two may fail pretty epically on anything less than BD-25. But at least they'll be fast.

[jdobbs]

@Dark Shikari

What settings would you recommend for a fast first pass of a two-pass high quality encode?

[turbojet]

Sorry to butt in here but what I would prefer to encode with is Dark_Shikari's High Quality with --me umh and --trellis 1. I know it slows it down a bit but it's still considerably faster then Very High Quality. It's also is a noticable improvement in quality especially psytrellis.

[Dark Shikari]

Sorry to butt in here but what I would prefer to encode with is Dark_Shikari's High Quality with --me umh and --trellis 1. I know it slows it down a bit but it's still considerably faster then Very High Quality. It's also is a noticable improvement in quality especially psytrellis.This is probably a good point--this being HD, umh is rather useful.@Dark Shikari

What settings would you recommend for a fast first pass of a two-pass high quality encode?Here's a revised set of encoding options with first-pass parameters for each. Since "Very High" is using b-adapt 2, I used slower settings on the first pass so that people wouldn't complain about it only using 50% of their CPU... :D. It should also give a more accurate bit distribution, albeit the speed cost isn't worth it for any of the others.

Firstpass: --subme 7 --me hex --bframes 3 --b-adapt 2 --8x8dct --direct auto --weightb --threads auto
Very High Quality: --subme 9 --me umh --ref 4 --bframes 3 --b-adapt 2 --mixed-refs --8x8dct --direct auto --trellis 1 --weightb --threads auto --psy-rd 1.0:0.2
Description: Everything and the kitchen sink, but no insane settings.

Firstpass: --subme 2 --me dia --bframes 3 --direct auto --weightb --threads auto --partitions none
High Quality: --subme 7 --me umh--ref 3 --bframes 3 --direct auto --8x8dct --weightb --trellis 1 --threads auto --psy-rd 1.0:0.2
Description: A good balance.

Firstpass: --subme 2 --me dia --bframes 3 --direct auto --weightb --threads auto --partitions none
Medium Quality: --subme 6 --me hex --ref 2 --bframes 3 --direct auto --8x8dct --weightb --threads auto
Description: A good balance, but toned down a bit.

Firstpass: --subme 0 --me dia --bframes 3 --direct auto --weightb --threads auto --partitions none
Low Quality: --subme 3 --me hex --bframes 3 --8x8dct --weightb --threads auto
Description: Much faster, but with a significant quality penalty.

Firstpass: None
Ultra-Low Quality: --subme 1 --me dia --partitions i8x8,i4x4 --bframes 3 --8x8dct --threads auto
Description: Even faster, but with a very large quality penalty.

Firstpass: None
Ultra-Fast: --subme 0 --no-cabac --partitions none --me dia --aq-mode 0
Description: Incredibly fast, but with an enormous quality penalty.

[turbojet]

Thanks, one more thing would --ref 4 help out much in the same High Quality preset?

I have been seeing more and more recent retails using 4 references with 1080p

[Dark Shikari]

Thanks, one more thing would --ref 4 help out much in the same High Quality preset?

I have been seeing more and more recent retails using 4 references with 1080pWell, I have to skimp on some things in the High preset or else it'll just become Very-High Mark II ;)

[jdobbs]

@Dark Shikari

Thanks.

[captain_video]

I've been looking for details on what BD-RB does with the audio but so far I haven't found it. Does BD-RB convert the audio to AC3 or does it allow the HD audio formats to remain intact? I've been upgrading my HT system to support the latest HD audio formats available with Blu-Ray and I'd hate to see them converted to something other than their original format.

[jdobbs]

You have a choice of keeping them (except LPCM) or reencoding to AC3 (the default). But even when keeping them the HD extensions are stripped. This is mainly because it is just too large for DVD+-R encoding.

When I get a little further along in the beta testing I'll enable full HD Audio retention when the output is BD-25.

[laserfan]

I notice you added --psy-rd in this post, but that the 1.0:0.2 doesn't change from VHQ to Medium. I just wonder what 0.2 does vs. the default 0.0 (cuz isn't psy-rd & default always invoked whether explicited called or not?).

[Dark Shikari]

I notice you added --psy-rd in this post, but that the 1.0:0.2 doesn't change from VHQ to Medium. I just wonder what 0.2 does vs. the default 0.0 (cuz isn't psy-rd & default always invoked whether explicited called or not?).It enables a bit (0.2) of psy-trellis, since it seems to be requested and tends to improve the sharpness of the results.

Seems I goofed there though, because medium doesn't have trellis, so there's no point in putting that there. Fixed.

[x_specter_x]

One thing you could try is to open the BD from the 'Open Folder' function in your player. Navigate to the disc drive and launch.

I tried that too, thanks, but it didn't work.

I found an odd issue. Cyberlink PowerDVD 7.3 will play the BD Rebuilder DVDs until you update it to the latest version online. The latest version is supposed to support BD Live and give better Blu-Ray compatability. After doing the update, it says the BD Rebuilder DVDs are not a compatable format. odd.... Also the latest WinDVD 9 will not play them.

[laserfan]

It enables a bit (0.2) of psy-trellis, since it seems to be requested and tends to improve the sharpness of the results.

Seems I goofed there though, because medium doesn't have trellis, so there's no point in putting that there. Fixed.Thanks!!!

[gizzin]

Having a ultra fast mode would be good for testing. Since it takes almost a day to a encode. If I could fit 2 in a day that'd be good.

[datman]

I tried that too, thanks, but it didn't work.

I found an odd issue. Cyberlink PowerDVD 7.3 will play the BD Rebuilder DVDs until you update it to the latest version online. The latest version is supposed to support BD Live and give better Blu-Ray compatability. After doing the update, it says the BD Rebuilder DVDs are not a compatable format. odd.... Also the latest WinDVD 9 will not play them.

and every post BDrebuilder file will play in pdvd-7 (3319a) but convert it to ISO and not one will play in PDVD 8, on my system

[jdobbs]

It enables a bit (0.2) of psy-trellis, since it seems to be requested and tends to improve the sharpness of the results.

Seems I goofed there though, because medium doesn't have trellis, so there's no point in putting that there. Fixed. Just wondering... what about "--analyse p8x8,b8x8,i8x8,i4x4" -- is this defaulted now?

[Dark Shikari]

Just wondering... what about "--analyse p8x8,b8x8,i8x8,i4x4" -- is this defaulted now?Always been default.

[jdobbs]

Always been default. I guess I didn't need to add it on all those command lines and bat files I've posted then... ;)

[datman]

I have asked this several times. I want to know what speed I should expect. I have a AMD 6000+ clocks @ 3.10 x 2. My first pass is a very comfortable .55 but my 2nd is always much slower .19. The one I'm working on is from a prior remuxed ISO file that is 33.40 g and will likely take more than 24 hours to encode.

the bright side is they have all been sucessful:) since i fixed my ffdshow setting

[Sophocles]

I want to know what speed I should expect.

Expect the speeds that you've already experienced. If your system is trim then the re-encode speeds for your system are about right. All things considered you're doing well. Things are going to get faster quite soon.:)

[datman]

Expect the speeds that you've already experienced. If your system is trim then the re-encode speeds for your system are about right. All things considered you're doing well. Things are going to get faster quite soon.:)
Thanks Sophocles:
Is 3.10 X2 with 4g of ram trim? My drives are 7200rpm

[Dark Shikari]

Thanks Sophocles:
Is 3.10 X2 with 4g of ram trim? My drives are 7200rpmAll that matters is your CPU, nothing else.

A Core 2 Quad is good, a Core i7 is ideal, anything else is suboptimal :p

[Sophocles]

Thanks Sophocles:
Is 3.10 X2 with 4g of ram trim? My drives are 7200rpm

Yes, quite trim for your system. Nice speed for an X2! You have lots of RAM! Many things can affect re-encode speeds such as the processor sitting at the top, but memory (how fast and how much) and hard disk speeds also play a part.

I've been testing with a Q9650 clocked between 3.94 GHz and 4 GHz. Swapping RAM and Hard Drive have shown some significant time completion differences, but the processor is the major predictor of overall re-encode speeds.

[datman]

Thanks guys;

now I know I'm in the ball park

I can see a rebuild in my future:cool:

[Trahald]

I have asked this several times. I want to know what speed I should expect. I have a AMD 6000+ clocks @ 3.10 x 2. My first pass is a very comfortable .55 but my 2nd is always much slower .19. The one I'm working on is from a prior remuxed ISO file that is 33.40 g and will likely take more than 24 hours to encode.

the bright side is they have all been sucessful:) since i fixed my ffdshow setting

i get about the same speeds with same cpu and same amt of ram

[Capsbackup]

I'm using a Dell XPS M1530 Laptop with a Intel Core 2 Duo T9300 @ 2.50GHZ, 4 GB RAM, Vista Home Premium 32 bit OS. Backing up The Dark Knight now, full movie to BD-25. Pass 1 of the main M2TS was about .29x, 6.92fps. Pass 2 went to .06x, 1.54fps. :eek:
I am looking to upgrade. Any input on either a core 2 quad Q9550 on an Asus P5E3 Deluxe or a core i7 920 on an Asus P6T Deluxe MB?

[Sophocles]

I am looking to upgrade. Any input on either a core 2 quad Q9550 on an Asus P5E3 Deluxe or a core i7 920 on an Asus P6T Deluxe MB?

Both are good choices. The i7 is going to have the potential to be the more powerful of the two, but if you get one of the New EO stepping Q9550 processors it can be easily overclocked to a safe 3.8 GHz and it will put in an impressive performance as well. I have a Q9650@4 GHz and it will encode a 2 pass 2 hour and under BD movie in less than 5 hours (last one took 4 hours and 22 minutes). I suspect that a well overclocked i7 quad could trim some time off of that. To get times down to what we've become used to for encoding mpeg 2 will ultimately only happen when more than 4 core processors become available and mainstream.

[DaMacFunkin]

Things are going to get faster quite soon.:)

Do you know something we don't mate?

I too have been worrying about speeds but on 2nd pass with trelis enabled i get x 0.25 on my Phenom quad core (2.2) with 4 gig ddr2 800, i am running Vista 64 bit. I have seen people saying they get faster speeds with MT versions of ffdshow, is this possible and if so can anybody recommend a stable version.
Thanks.

[Sophocles]

Do you know something we don't mate?

Probably not.:) Intel is expected to release their 35nm processors by summer and that should provide some speed increases, and Intel has an 8 core processor in the works as well. I figure a well clocked i7 quad should exceed 1X on the 2nd pass.

Any current Core2 quad is going to encode faster than a Phenom but I cheering for AMD to make a comeback.

[jdobbs]

I've added a couple more options in the quality area for the next release... actually looking at the output I think I may have been too conservative on the first round. You may start getting some greatly improved speed scores if you decide to try the "Good" or "Better" settings.

[x_specter_x]

I've added a couple more options in the quality area for the next release... actually looking at the output I think I may have been too conservative on the first round. You may start getting some greatly improved speed scores if you decide to try the "Good" or "Better" settings.

That is great. So when can we look forward to the next great release. ;)

Have you considered taking payment for the BD Rebilder pro version for those willing to purchase now? It would be an option instead of donating.