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BassPig
1st January 2009, 08:39
I recently burned a "proof" disc for the purpose of checking menu functionality on an actual set-top player, as I usually do in the process of authoring and production.

This particular disc was left in the player over the weekend with the power turned on, so the title menu was looping all weekend.

A few days later, I noticed that the menu was getting 'hung' occasionally, but would eventually start to play again. I could still play the disc.

The following afternoon, I had some visitors over (the 2nd camera operator who assisted with shooting this concert video) and some other people. I attempted to show him the draft disc, and we watched a few minutes of the first half of the concert. Then we had dinner together and returned a few hours later, where I attempted to play a performance of interest on the second half of the concert. However, the menu was frozen and none of the remote's buttons could effect any change. All I could do was eject the disc and reload it. We waited a minute and the player came back with "cannot play this disc". I was rather stunned by this. The disc deteriorated from marginal to completely unplayable in a matter of hours!

Just to be sure it wasn't the player (A new Sony BDP-S301), I popped in some other DVD-R titles that we produced. All of them played without any difficulty.

The disc in question was tried again just a few minutes ago, and is still unplayable.

This incident really shook my faith in recordable DVDs. It seems that leaving them in the player for too long eventually erases the dye patterns recorded by the writer. This means that DVD-R media have a much shorter life than many users are led to believe (30+ years) and can be as short as a few dozen hours of play time.

In case anyone is interested, the brand of disc was Samsung BeAll, which is touted by the manufacturer as being suitable for government and medical records archiving.

r0lZ
1st January 2009, 11:08
Use Verbatim or TY media only! Also, Sony is well known to have the worst error-correction of the planet!

But what you have noticed confirms the problem: the writable media are not good for archiving.

nitricpyro
4th January 2009, 23:25
I think another idea that might be tossed around is the fact that the media was in there running for a very long time without a break.

I'm not a scientist, but I doubt the passive laser that reads the media would infact erase it. If the disk was left on the main menu over the weekend then the laser would be running over only those pieces of information and it is safe to assume only those areas would be erased. However you say that parts of the rest of the disk were hanging etc. so I doubt this is the case.

I would consider the fact that a DVD player produces heat, the disk is constantly spinning (being played all weekend) and that perhaps you're looking at a physical deformation of the disk and not the data that is on it. Perhaps such a long duration while running softened the disk and allowed it to warp because it was constantly spinning. The places where it was hanging could be places that were warped enough to cause tracking errors. Playing it again the second time and leaving it running for dinner could of just been the last straw for it. Now the heat has warped the disk enough that the DVD player is having trouble tracking anything.

I'm not a big media guru, but I don't think this issue is from using one brand or another, or a direct implication of the amount of time the disk can be used... I think it's more of an issue with the extreme demand placed at one time on it, and the moral of the story is to store your media or to turn your player off when you're not using it.

gizzin
5th January 2009, 02:16
A dvd player cannot under any circumstance erase a dvd, and or warp the disc. Your answer to this question is that shit media your using. And if you need archival grade media buy it, surely its not samsung beall.

atreides93
14th January 2009, 08:32
These were probably just poorly made discs...I have many DVD-R's that still work after 5 years.
Try other brands like TDK. Stay away from Be-All

blutach
16th January 2009, 05:59
Or, better still, Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden.

Regards

~bT~
16th January 2009, 18:09
Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden.

those are the only 2 brands i trust. a lot of the branded (tdk, maxell etc etc) seem to use cheap dyes..

Sharc
16th January 2009, 23:40
Useful info can be found here:
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm