Not sure BD-RB beta is actually using ffdshow?

[MikeyBK]

I've used ffdshow and Matroska just a bit when I tried out RipBot, but I don't remember seeing the nvidia icon next to the matroska icon in the task bar, like it is when I use BD-RB.
screenshot below....

When I install ffdshow to be used with BD-RB, is the default settings workable??... or should I configure it further in order for BD-RB to utilize it?

I'm continuously getting the 'Retry Limit Reached, Aborted' on every video processed by BD-RB. And in the working folder, there are m2ts and avs files, but they only play audio. :confused:

[MikeyBK]

Seems I figured out what was happening...
didn't have ffdshow set for mpeg2..
hopefully that's all I muffed up on the ffdshow install and config.

thanks anyways.

[jdobbs]

I've used ffdshow and Matroska just a bit when I tried out RipBot, but I don't remember seeing the nvidia icon next to the matroska icon in the task bar, like it is when I use BD-RB.
screenshot below....

When I install ffdshow to be used with BD-RB, is the default settings workable??... or should I configure it further in order for BD-RB to utilize it?

I'm continuously getting the 'Retry Limit Reached, Aborted' on every video processed by BD-RB. And in the working folder, there are m2ts and avs files, but they only play audio. :confused: It looks like you have a CODEC other than FFDSHOW set for playing back whatever format is in use in the original disc (VC-1, AVC, or MPEG). Try opening one of the AVS files that begins with "VID_" in the working/WORKFILES directory. It looks like there is an error coming back from AVISYNTH in its attempt to frame server them. Based on another post I got, you may also want to try setting the output of the selected CODEC to YV12 (if possible).

[EDIT] Looks like I posted too late... :)

[MikeyBK]

Thanks for the reply though jdobbs, I'm sure any info from you can only help me get it set up right. Encoding a BluRay currently on my Core2Duo desktop, which is running @ 3.2GHz. Will give feed back if all goes thru properly and how long it took that PC.... unless of course I need to adjust another part of ffdshows' config which i haven't set right :(

[laserfan]

...unless of course I need to adjust another part of ffdshows' config which i haven't set right
I'm also new to ffdshow and if someone here knows a good guide that explains the "Decoder settings" dialog please do tell. I've just left them to default, but am particularly interested to make sure libavcodec is decoding VC-1 Advanced properly.

[jdobbs]

It was my impression that the initial settings as installed should work. But from what I've heard, the MPEG-2 CODEC may not be enabled by default.

[Capsbackup]

Just to be sure all of us testers are consistent with the FFDShow settings, can someone make some screen shots showing what the settings should be. This could help jdobbs in tracing down some bug reports.

[MikeyBK]

It was my impression that the initial settings as installed should work. But from what I've heard, the MPEG-2 CODEC may not be enabled by default.

Yes jd, that is basically what I needed to do and BD-RB worked perfectly.

Just finished a full disc BD back-up of House Bunny (40.2 GBs) to the BD-9 setting and I got to tell you it looks superb! 9 hours but superb job nonetheless. I haven't put it to DL disc yet, but viewing it on my monitor, cannot really see any differences from the original.
And I have another sample to compare to, and that was when I converted the main movie m2ts of House Bunny, which is 19.3 GBs, down to DVD format 4.29 GBs..... but there was a very noticeable difference compared to the original m2ts file, still pretty much DVD quality, but not up to BluRay quality... but with BD-RB, the main movie m2ts ended up being 4.42 GBs but it's quality is very, very much like the original 19.3 GB m2ts.

So just wanted to give you feedback that it was a successful attempt, and it all looks great...:thanks:

[jdobbs]

Cool.

[Chefkoch_ico]

Hi!

A question. Is it possible, that it is also working without ffdshow?

Because, I cant remember installing it, and dont find it in program files, in start menu or in control panel->software.

Bye

[jdobbs]

If you have Directshow drivers for VC-1, MPEG-2, and H.264 (AVC) then it will work without FFDSHOW. But I would highly recommend using FFDSHOW -- as it has all of them included and they have been tested with BD Rebuilder.

[Chefkoch_ico]

It seems that PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra Filters work without problems with BD Rebuilder.

Is there anything to say about quality? Meaning is FFDShow better in quality than Cyberlinks?

To bad there is no general version (without NVidia Card) of DGVC1DecNV, because then this would also be an option. Or maybe it is, because in this case, the installed filters are not important since they are loaded directly in the AVS script. Possible problems cant come from the filters then. Only downside: files must be demuxed then.
Would be nice to see that optional in some time.
And to demux the Files is also not exactly a problem, since if there is somewhen the option to not reencode the main movie (when using BD-25), there needs to be demuxing anyway.

Bye

[vwpassion]

To sort out the directshow "mess" that some users are plagued with, wouldnt it be possible to add an option to bd-rb that allows the enduser to chose between the different directshow filters that are installed on the system? E.g. one could chose between ffdshow video decoder, coreavc, dgavcdec for AVC sources; and wmv9, ffdshow video decoder, cyberlink video decoder for VC-1 material; and libmpeg2, dgmpegdec, libavcodec for MPEG2 sources. Of course other combinations are possible as well.

bd-rb could use graphs to create the neccessary connections between the filters (as opposed to using directshowsource("...m2ts") which of course can lead to confusion between the different directshow filters and merits).

So basically the enduser decides which combination of filters bd-rb is supposed to use. It would be less hassle especially for those who have difficulties setting up ffdshow etc. An option to set a preferred filter for MPEG2/AVC/VC-1 would be neat as well (e.g. use coreavc for AVC, WMV9 for VC-1, and libmpeg2 for MPEG2).

[jdobbs]

Well... the user selects which are used now. In other words "the mess" is made by the user by installing every CODEC they can get their hands on. That's fine -- but when the user does so he/she also has to take responsibility for which one(s) have precedence.

If the idea is to not use DirectShowSource(), then what you are asking is that I write a complete frame serving package... which could very easily take more time to create than writing BD Rebuilder.

I'm trying to make these backups easier, not harder. Can you imagine a typical user who only wants to do a backup (knowing nothing about video, filters, directshow etc.) having to wade through a filter graph? Most people don't have any of those additional CODECs, and frankly, with FFDSHOW installed they don't need most of them.

[turbojet]

Maybe what you could do is run a scan to make sure files can be decoded first thing after hitting backup and make the avs files (few seconds?). If they can't be decoded offer an option to cancel so they can try something else (even put dgavcnvsource in avs) or they can choose to keep the original file. The next time backup is ran if avs exists try that instead of making another one. This should allow every BD to be backed up.

It's possible to control directshow filters for AVC, VC1, MPEG2 already. Just look in the config pages, but its system wide, so unless you have a player that can control merits you are stuck with that filter or keep switching.

[vwpassion]

Oh, wasnt aware that it would be that much hassle. In this case, never mind. ;)

[laserfan]

I'm trying to make these backups easier, not harder. Can you imagine a typical user who only wants to do a backup (knowing nothing about video, filters, directshow etc.) having to wade through a filter graph? Most people don't have any of those additional CODECs, and frankly, with FFDSHOW installed they don't need most of them.I am no newbie to doom9, but find that I'm still confused by how all of this works. I have WMP11 installed for VC-1, and ffdshow too and Haali and Cyberlink PDVD and CoreAVC Pro and Sonic and neuron2's tools and lord-knows-what-else and untangling all this when I have a problem e.g. pixelation on an encoding is a REAL TRIP to say the least! :p

I love-and-have-used DVD Rebuilder Pro for years but now that I've learned to make the occasional BD-5/9 "by hand" I'm not even sure I'll want to use BD-RB (gosh I've found so few discs where I want to backup the menus & extras!). But for users new to BD backup they are gonna want to load-up BD-RB and just expect it to work.

[jdobbs]

I love-and-have-used DVD Rebuilder Pro for years but now that I've learned to make the occasional BD-5/9 "by hand" I'm not even sure I'll want to use BD-RB (gosh I've found so few discs where I want to backup the menus & extras!). But for users new to BD backup they are gonna want to load-up BD-RB and just expect it to work. I think that can be expected in a future stable release... but this is a beta for God's sake -- an early, buggy beta at that. I thought I made that abundantly clear in the first post of the beta thread. If people are looking for a full-up production ready, self installing, bug-free version -- they need to wait until it gets to BD-RB v1.00.

[laserfan]

...this is a beta for God's sakeHmmm, you read-into my comment more than was there! I was agreeing with your approach, which based upon my DVD-RB Pro experience wants to (try to) control the myriad of options which otherwise might overwhelm a casual user or otherwise cause trouble for them & you. With the complexities of BD bu I think if you can "control options" that's a good thing!

And in fact re: the beta, I quickly loaded/ran BD-RB a few days ago and had no trouble at all with it--looks/works great.

Others are going to want you to let them tweak every aspect of BD-RB's operation and to them I say--well, you can do that now with the other tools available so go crazy (ok not menus & extras afaik). But as for BD-RB just let jdobbs develop his app as he sees fit and in his timeframe--DVD-RB Pro turned-out pretty good didn't it! ;)

[jdobbs]

Cool.