CCE Encoder

[Yippy_Kiyey]

I am new to DVD RB and so far I like what I have seen. I don't know much about this topic. I just want to have a nice program to backup my DVDs. I've backup a couple of DVDs using QuEnc and I am very pleased with the result. With what I've read, it seems that Cinemacraft Encoders are better than the one provided by DVD Rb. I want to go to the next level and install CCE encoders except that I notice the price difference between the Basic and the SP; ($58 versus $1950). Why is there a bid gap? Is the basic good enough and will do the job for me?

Thank you in advance

[jdobbs]

The cost difference is all for bells and whistles that have very little impact on DVD-RB. The high-priced version also do multiple passes (beyond the 2 available in CCE Basic) -- but frankly I only use two even if using SP or SP2.

You may also want to try HC Encoder (included with DVD-RB) -- it has become very close to CCE quality.

[steptoe]

The only real difference between the home and pro version of CCE is the fact that you only have get 2-passes with the home version whereas the pro has more passes available to the user to set themselves

The opinion seems to be any more than 3 is a waste of time, even the software authors say any more than 3 just increases the time drastically but doesn't give much improvement

But, others have said with high motion films like Star Wars those extra passes do make a difference


Try having a look at HCEnc, its 100% freeware and a lot of enocoder comparisons say HCEnc is at least on par with CCE and in a lot of cases produces better results

[Yippy_Kiyey]

Thanks a lot guys. Nice forum, nice member and nice software (DVD RB). What else could you ask for more.

Thank you again

[G_M_C]

The cost difference is all for bells and whistles that have very little impact on DVD-RB. The high-priced version also do multiple passes (beyond the 2 available in CCE Basic) -- but frankly I only use two even if using SP or SP2.

You may also want to try HC Encoder (included with DVD-RB) -- it has become very close to CCE quality.

I've now stopped using Mpeg2, cause i believe i can achieve better quality with x264 (encoding to Mpeg4 pt. 10 / AVC). But i remember that i actually stopped using CCE and switched to HCEnc.

When you use the newer advanced features of the recent versions HC, i found that it achieves better quality. And it runs multi-threaded also :)

@ TS: Give HCEnc a try; Set both luminance gain and AQ to 1, and choose one of the provided matrices. You'll see you'll get very good quality !

[jdobbs]

I've now stopped using Mpeg2, cause i believe i can achieve better quality with x264 (encoding to Mpeg4 pt. 10 / AVC). But -- we have to mention that you cannot use X264 for DVD. It can, however, be used to backup a DVD to a BD disc (movie-only with the assumption that you have a Blu-ray player).

[G_M_C]

But -- we have to mention that you cannot use X264 for DVD.

True.

And also the reason why i gave TS the advise to give HCEnc a try :)


It can, however, be used to backup a DVD to a BD disc (movie-only with the assumption that you have a Blu-ray player).

Yup, i own a BD player, so backing up DVD's that way is best for me.

[rendez2k]

Can DVD-RB currently use X264 for DVD to BR? Is it in the mobile options (something I've not messed with much)

Edit: I notice that there is experimental X264 - is that what should be used? Does the resolution need to be higher for BR?

[G_M_C]

Can DVD-RB currently use X264 for DVD to BR? Is it in the mobile options (something I've not messed with much)

Edit: I notice that there is experimental X264 - is that what should be used? Does the resolution need to be higher for BR?

Nope DVD-RB cannot currently.

And that wasn't what i suggested; I only mentioned x264 as a reason for me to stop using DVD + MPEG2.

Yippy_Kiyey:
You PM' ed me with a question on how to use HCEnc with DVD-RB.

Well, to be honest, i don't use DVD's anymore;
After seeing so many 1080p's with DTS-MA/TrueHD, i came to the conclusion that DVD "didn't do it for me any more". So i've fully switched to High Definition and i am currently "on a programme" to replace my DVD's. I only use DVD+R(DL) as medium to store / make BD9's these days.

But back on the subject; When I remember correctly, jdobbs provides a very good help / faq with his program. I usually helped me fine. Read up on it, you'll find out how it works. Matrix selection, for instance, you could do from within DVD-RB itself.

Also use search within the " DVD rebuilder" part of doom9's forum, you'll find all the options you need. And last, but not least, DVD-RB has its own website, and its own forum. If you purchased the software, you'll know where it is and how to get help on there.

[jdobbs]

You PM' ed me with a question on how to use HCEnc with DVD-RB.If you install DVD-RB from the Full installation package -- HC is the default encoder.

[[BMC]]

I just completed a build of a core i7 920 system which is running at 4GHz. CCE is running 40% slower than it did on a q9450 running at 3.85GHz? Looking at the task manager all cores are not being utilized even though Multiple Encoder Processes is showing 8. When encoding XviD, I'm seeing a 30% increase in encoding speed.

[Groucho2004]

;1222326']I just completed a build of a core i7 920 system which is running at 4GHz. CCE is running 40% slower than it did on a q9450 running at 3.85GHz? Looking at the task manager all cores are not being utilized even though Multiple Encoder Processes is showing 8. When encoding XviD, I'm seeing a 30% increase in encoding speed.

CCE doesn't allow multiple instances so setting "Multiple Encoder Processes" to 2 or more is pointless. However, it's quite strange that it is that much slower than the Q9450.

[jdobbs]

;1222326']I just completed a build of a core i7 920 system which is running at 4GHz. CCE is running 40% slower than it did on a q9450 running at 3.85GHz? Looking at the task manager all cores are not being utilized even though Multiple Encoder Processes is showing 8. When encoding XviD, I'm seeing a 30% increase in encoding speed.Cache maybe?

[[BMC]]

I disabled HT and now CCE is running at 13-17 as opposed to 10-12 but I still don't understand why it wouldn't be faster on the core i7. What did you mean when you said Cache?

[Fishman0919]

;1222362']I disabled HT and now CCE is running at 13-17 as opposed to 10-12 but I still don't understand why it wouldn't be faster on the core i7. What did you mean when you said Cache?

The Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 has a L2 Cache: 12MB
The Intel Core i7 920 has a L2 Cache: 4 x 256KB and L3 Cache: 8MB

[Groucho2004]

;1222362']I disabled HT and now CCE is running at 13-17 as opposed to 10-12 but I still don't understand why it wouldn't be faster on the core i7. What did you mean when you said Cache?

So, disabling HT makes it now run roughly as fast as the Q9450, right? I would think that the differences in cache and the fact that CCE most likely won't benefit from the new features of the i7 could explain what's happening.

[Fishman0919]

CCE does not support Quad Core cpu's anyway and they have said they have no intentions of changing that.

[jdobbs]

I don't know if I would agree with that -- I can tell you that CCE runs a lot faster on my quad than on my dual... and the clock rate of the quad is the lower of the two.

[Fishman0919]

True.... CCE does run faster on my Quad then on my Dual... but you will not see CCE at anywhere near 100% or probably even 90% CPU usage.

When I said...
CCE does not support Quad Core cpu's anyway

I should have said "CCE is not Optimized for Quad cores"

[jdobbs]

True enough. I think mine usually runs at about 70% with CCE -- but it does it across all four processors. With HC I can max out all four processors.

[[BMC]]

I just tried using HC Encoder for the first time and got this error:

http://www.dadepc.com/HcENC_error.jpg

I'm running WinXP Pro X64. Any help would be appreciated.

[jdobbs]

It's possibly a problem with AVISYNTH. My suggestion:

1. Uninstall DVD Rebuilder.
2. Uninstall AVISYNTH.
3. Reinstall DVD Rebuilder from the FULL INSTALLER.

Step three will install a correct version of AVISYNTH as well as DVD-RB.

[[BMC]]

Thanks, that solved the problem :)

http://www.dadepc.com/HcENC_3.jpg

The output is quite acceptable. I'm very impressed with HcENC.