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Dr.Khron
17th November 2008, 16:47
Its funny how some ignorant people associate this site with piracy, given how totally obsessed we are with image quality, preserving the "feel" of a film, and just generally "doing it right".

Pirates don't give a shit about encoding quality, they just wanna slap crap out in the market for suckers to buy.

I thought this latest scam was pretty ingenious... because the average person wouldn't know HD if it walked up and bit them on the ass.

Pirates Prey on Blu-Ray DVD Format
By GEOFFREY A. FOWLER

HONG KONG -- Movie pirates are going after Blu-ray, using a technological twist that makes their illicit copies both cheap to make and tough for consumers to spot.

Pirates are taking advantage of the fact that many viewers can't tell the difference between Hollywood's new high-definition, higher-priced Blu-ray movie format and a bootleg format -- called AVCHD -- that's a grade lower: AVCHD uses 720 horizontal lines of resolution instead of Blu-ray's 1,080, but still offers a sharper picture than an ordinary DVD on high-definition television sets.

The movies are pulled off Blu-ray discs using easily available software. Because of the lower resolution, they can be put on ordinary blank DVDs instead of more costly blank Blu-ray discs. That makes them quite profitable for pirates to make, warns the Motion Picture Association, the industry group that battles piracy on behalf of the studios owned by Walt Disney Co., Viacom Inc., Sony Corp., News Corp., Time Warner Inc., and General Electric Co.

"We are concerned and are assigning priority to this issue," said Mike Ellis, the Asia-Pacific managing director for the MPA.

Some eBay Inc. merchants are warning customers to look out for counterfeit Blu-ray discs, or ordinary DVDs passed off as Blu-rays. One tip-off: Real Blu-ray discs attract fingerprints more easily than the pirated discs.

The industry took notice last month when authorities raided a big stash of the new pirated discs in China, which is often at the leading edge of piracy trends. Authorities in the southern Chinese city of Shenzhen last month unearthed a pirated warehouse collection with 800 of the discs, with titles ranging from "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" to "Transformers." The pirates had packaged them in Blu-ray's recognizable blue boxes, including holograms to try to make them look like the real thing.

"Pirated DVDs from this region...have been exported all over the world in the last few years. These syndicates are very quick to spot market opportunities," said Mr. Ellis.

The MPA estimates that within the next six months the high-definition discs could account for 10% of $224 million that its member companies lose from piracy in China. While a legitimate Blu-ray discs costs about $30, a pirated Chinese disc goes for as little as $7.

The new piracy threat comes as the industry tries to push Blu-ray to compensate for softening sales of regular DVDs. Entertainment companies hope consumers will upgrade their libraries to the newer discs. In the four weeks ended Oct. 26, Blu-ray discs accounted for 6% of the home-video market, according to Nielsen VideoScan. Retailers and electronics companies recently cut prices on Blu-ray players to spur adoption.

The pirate discs haven't yet appeared outside of Asia. But the industry worries they could find a market in places with lower penetration of broadband Internet access. In those markets, downloading high-definition video files -- legitimate or illegitimate -- can be lengthy and cumbersome.

"When we created the specifications for Blu-ray, we were very serious about trying to stem the tide of pirate discs regardless of where they were in the world," said Andy Parsons, a senior vice president at Pioneer Electronics Inc.'s Home Entertainment Group and the U.S. chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association Promotions Committee.

The association built two layers of copyright protection into their discs. One layer unique to Blu-ray, called BD+, checks to make sure that the disc isn't being played somewhere it shouldn't be. "To make a pirated Blu-ray disc is pretty difficult," said Mr. Parsons.

Pirates use software to pull high-definition video off Blu-ray discs. One software company, Slysoft Inc., claims to have cracked Blu-ray's protection software last year and sells a program to extract Blu-ray movies called AnyDVD HD for the equivalent of about $100. Slysoft said in a statement in March that it enabled "backup security copies of Blu-ray discs." The U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act bans DVD copying, but Slysoft has said its software is legal in Antigua and Barbuda, the Caribbean nation where it is based.

Mr. Parsons said he was aware of Slysoft's claim but declined to comment on it. Slysoft didn't respond to requests for comment.

The technical protections built into Blu-ray can be changed by encoding a software update onto new Blu-ray discs. But those updates, too, will be cracked, said Peer van Heuen, head of SlySoft's high-definition technologies, in an earlier press release. "The worst-case scenario then is our boss locks us up with only bread and water in the company dungeon for three months until we are successful again," he said.

—James T. Areddy in Shanghai contributed to this article.
Write to Geoffrey A. Fowler at geoffrey.fowler@wsj.com

Sharktooth
17th November 2008, 18:43
They will never learn...

SeeMoreDigital
17th November 2008, 19:57
AVCHD uses 720 horizontal lines of resolution instead of Blu-ray's 1,080.... Well that particular comment is incorrect :eek:

Shinigami-Sama
17th November 2008, 23:39
Well that particular comment is incorrect :eek:

and this surprises you how?

Atak_Snajpera
18th November 2008, 00:06
AVCHD can be 1080p as well

evilclive
18th November 2008, 07:36
Back in the old days, films stolen from a cinema with a camcorder looked terrible, and multi-generation analogue VHS copies looked even worse. This was a major issue in the studios' anti-piracy advertising: every commercial release had an insert warning of the poor quality of pirated tapes.

They don't do this so much nowadays -- modern piracy methods give results no worse than the over-compressed digital SD TV we've all had to get used to.

Nonetheless, I'd be surprised if the studios don't take up this message again: "Knock-off BluRay disks (i.e. any that don't have the official hologram) are no better quality than knock-off DVDs." The insert would then have to explain the difference in quality between knock-off SD and genuine HD, in a way that laymen would understand.

If the studios start promoting their BluRay titles based on quality rather than the newness of the format, this might make HDTV owners a bit fussier about the quality of their broadcast TV as well. With luck, this could help discourage HDTV broadcasters from trying to squeeze too many channels into the available spectrum.

Shinigami-Sama
18th November 2008, 07:39
Back in the old days, films from a cinema looked terrible
and something never change
many theaters still have horribly tuned projectors...

*remember walking tall where he could barely read a license plate..

so iuno if even say that would help
my family didn't even notice it, nor do they notice bad interlace combing so...

Doom9
19th November 2008, 21:42
Blu-ray rips have been around since AACS was first circumvented - so this is really a non story. It might be harder to press Blu-ray discs for pirates (at least single layer discs shouldn't be prohibitively expensive) due to BD-ROM (and perhaps tighter control on who can buy pressing equipment?) but anybody with a DVD burner and a color printer could be making such discs (of course it's illegal and all). Now if they did it from one of the handful of BD+ discs that AnyDVD HD cannot handle and the rip would be from that Blu-ray disc and not some HDTV broadcast.. now that would be newsworthy - but something everybody with a Blu-ray drive, a DVD burner and some time and reading skills can do is hardly an achievement (okay, you won't be pressing the discs but I'm you could find a suitable pressing plant if wanted to go criminal).

Dr.Khron
20th November 2008, 18:04
Blu-ray rips have been around since AACS was first circumvented - so this is really a non story.

Right, technology-wise, nothing new here. The real story is that they are trying to pass them off as real Blu-Ray discs... presumably so they can sell them into the the legitimate supply chain, instead of street corners and shady alleys.

This is really more "counterfeiting" then it is "piracy". The goal of the scam described in the article is to have the end-user be completely unaware that he bought a fake Rolex for full price.

setarip_old
21st November 2008, 00:03
@Dr.Khron

Hi!The goal of the scam described in the article is to have the end-user be completely unaware that he bought a fake Rolex for full price.I believe you're reading more into the article than is actually there. I say this because of this quote from the article:While a legitimate Blu-ray discs costs about $30, a pirated Chinese disc goes for as little as $7.It seems to simply be describing the same old concept of peddling "bootleg" media, at steep discounts versus legitimate retail...

Dr.Khron
21st November 2008, 19:27
Yep, you are right, I misunderstood the article.

I guess I just don't understand why you would bother making convincing looking fakes (complete with box art and holograms), if you are going to sell it at an obviously fake price.

Inventive Software
22nd November 2008, 03:15
Maybe Sony are getting desperate.... :p