Burn SD rips in h.264 on dvd an play on BD-Player?

[ErichTralala]

Hi all,

maybe my question sounds a bit dumb and maybe it's been asked a few times before... But i don't know where to look or what to search for... :confused:
I'm having a lot of old SD (no HD) dvd and dvb rips laying on my hdd, which are encoded in h.264 (not DivX) and which play fine on my computer.
Would it be possible to burn them on a dvd in some kind so that it could be played on a standard BD-player? And if so, which BD-Player could play such a home made dvd? I know there are many players which support this for DivX/XVid.

Maybe one can point me in some direction where i can find some information on that topic.

Best Regards

[Guest]

I'm having a lot of old SD (no HD) dvd and dvb rips laying on my hdd, which are encoded in h.264 (not DivX) and which play fine on my computer. Where did you get them? If they are old, then you could not have encoded them into H.264 yourself, because it is a recent technology.

You should re-encode from your original DVDs and capture files.

[ErichTralala]

No, they are already encoded in h.264, mostly dvb rips. I did them over the last 2 years.

[Guest]

BD players will play standard DVDs, which you can easily author with available freeware.

[ErichTralala]

Ok, maybe i expressed myself a bit confusing.
What i want to do is the following: I want to burn those rips like they are (encoded in h.264) onto a dvd and play it on a BD-player.
If i reconvert them to dvd, so i have to use many dvds for storing them, which take much place at home.
I would compare it to dvd players which play divx movies, so i want to know if there are BD-players which are able to play those SD rips in h.264...? Maybe do i need to "convert" them to AVCHD?

[rica]

Ok, maybe i expressed myself a bit confusing.
What i want to do is the following: I want to burn those rips like they are (encoded in h.264) onto a dvd and play it on a BD-player.
If i reconvert them to dvd, so i have to use many dvds for storing them, which take much place at home.
I would compare it to dvd players which play divx movies, so i want to know if there are BD-players which are able to play those SD rips in h.264...? Maybe do i need to "convert" them to AVCHD?

I don't have an SA but i suppose you can play them with any SA.
I've been planning as weel to store my SD DVD collection as BD on double-layers for the time being. (since BD writeble media is expensive right now)
Some professionel authors give you that option.
But i would prefer to store them as they are; ie mpeg2 BDs instead of converting them to h264.
I've made some trials (sd-BD mpeg2) with Encore CS3 and it works as ISO files and i think they will work on any ordinary SA player.
But if you have them as h264 already why not; try to author them as SD h264 BDs...

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[laserfan]

I don't have an SA but i suppose you can play them with any SA.Not true. Some BD players have been deliberately disabled to prevent playback of movies using BD-R or DVD-5/9 writeable media.

[rica]

Not true. Some BD players have been deliberately disabled to prevent playback of movies using BD-R or DVD-5/9 writeable media.

I think, this is up to the author you use; at least a little bit?

EDIT: Well, then why do i put a DVD as it is into a BD structure onto a DVD-double?
Kill Bill1+Kill Bill2 =One disc.
Saw1+Saw2=One disc
SM1+SM2=One disc....
Then why BD but not DVD?
Since BD has just one m2ts while DVD has lots of VOBs.

[OrigCasshern]

ErichTralala, maybe this can help...maybe...

Disclaimers:

1. This is without a doubt not the best way to do this but it worked for me. You can laugh if you want to.
2. I only have this working with one M2T file. I hope to be able to figure out how to put multiple files with the help of other posters.
3. My goal was to have multiple SD movies on one DVD9 disc that would hopefully be properly upscaled by my PS3. That way I can put all my DVDs in storage (I’m paying for it already, might as well use it) and have a smaller area for my discs. I probably don’t know enough about the hardware to know if what I have is actually being upscaled, but it does look better to me than when I stream *.m2ts files from my PC.

Tools I have/use:
DVDShrink v3.2
X264 v999
StaxRip v1.1.1.0
MKVMerge w/GUI v2.2.0
QuickMuxIt v1.2
Nero 8

The steps:
Step 1. Use DVD Shrink to rip a movie-only single VOB
Step 2. Use StaxRip to convert the VOB using X264 / PS3/Xbox 360 MKV profile (2200 bitrate) with AC3 5.1 audio (haven’ tried DTS) keeping the same resolution of 704x480 or 704X352 (no need to add back the top and bottom borders on movies 2.35:1)
Step 2.5 Uh…StaxRip fails at the MKV mux, so I just close it
Step 3. Use MKVMerge to mux the *.264 file and *.ac3 file created by StaxRip into the MKV file
Step 4. Use QuickMuxit to use the MKV file and create the AVCHD structure and M2T stream file within it
Step 5. Use Nero UDF 2.50 to burn the AVCHD folders onto disc (I’ve been experimenting with a re-writable DVD5)

My PS3 sees it as an AVCHD disc and when I play it I’m hear to tell you I cannot tell the difference from it and when I put the actual DVD right afterwards. That’s why I’m assuming that it is upscaling it properly.

Anyway, if you know how to use DVDShrink, grab a 10-20 second clip from a good action scene and try the steps above. Although I’ll never know if the MKVMerge mux works differently than what StaxRip would have done had it not failed, I’m curious if someone can try this so I can get their opinion on whether it is being upscaled or not.

Thanks for all the posts here. I sure have learned a lot.

ErichTralala - You can try getting your files into an MKV container and then using steps 4 and 5, but it doesn't help yet on getting multiple films on a single disc. My guess is it's possible. Just need to find it on the net!

[Cela]

...
3. My goal was to have multiple SD movies on one DVD9 disc ...
Step 4. Use QuickMuxit to use the MKV file and create the AVCHD structure and M2T stream file within it
...
but it doesn't help yet on getting multiple films on a single disc. My guess is it's possible. Just need to find it on the net!Ever tried tsMuxeR's "Input Append"? It may work for you.

It worked for me to create C.m2ts from Input A.m2ts + Append B.m2ts.
(In DVD terms this probably would compare to blowing up the first VTS by appending the contents of the second one at the end of the first _into_ the first, thus remaining a 'single' VTS.) After the Append you get another single C.m2ts containing both, A.m2ts and B.m2ts.
In my case, if both A.m2ts and B.m2ts started and ended at an I-frame, the audio delay shown by tsMuxeR needed not to be changed for getting and keeping lip-sync.

After tsMuxeR you could apply AVCHD_ME (see here (http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/archive/convert_mkv_to_avchd_for_ps3_and_blu-ray.cfm) and here (http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/686998/4179444), steps 2 and 3) to convert tsMuxeR's BD structure into an AVCHD structure.

If it does not work for you, you can write an e-mail to the tsMuxeR people and request to add a feature for multiple VTS.
See Call_for_suggestions (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1209096#post1209096) and my_wishes (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1209930#post1209930).

[Blue_MiSfit]

this could be problematic though, as the AVCHD spec requires pretty strict GOP settings among other things. It might not work on most BD players.

~MiSfit

[Cela]

this could be problematic though, as the AVCHD spec requires pretty strict GOP settings among other things. It might not work on most BD players.

~MiSfitThats true. At own risk and private use only!

I only buy equipment which can play my files, and it works to play my h.264 DVB-S2 TS streams on my friend's PS3 and Samsung BD-P1400 player though.