Problems playing HD on DVD-R Disks in Blu-ray Player

[Albion]

Reading the forums and checking FAQ I have managed to backup my HD-DVD/Blu-ray titles to DVD-R and DVD+R D/L (Verbatim).
They all initialise on the PC through Cyberlink from the disk.The Blu-ray structure has been added using TSMuxer, all sound tracks converted to AC3.Split using TSMuxer.

My Blu-ray player is the Panasonic BD30 (UK/Euro Firmware 1.7 The latest)

The player recognises the disk as DVD-R and DVD+R D/L (AVCHD) but refuses to play.
As a check I have transfered full movies to the one BD-RE disk I have and they play (recognised as BD-V) without a hitch.

I have read around that the BD30 with firmware 1.7 will play almost everything chucked at it.Is the problem one of a discrepancy between recognising the disk as DVD and the differing structure of that normally registered on a Blu-ray disk.Or is it simply that there is to much over confidence about Blu-ray players being able to play Multiple DVD-R disks etc with HD content.

Any comments much appreciated.

[Albion]

Just to help get this thread moving.Does anyone think this might be to do with the VC-1 codec (virtually all Blu-rays and HD-DVDs these days) within an m2ts container.

I,ve noticed that very few titles,if any I can remember are H.264 (AVC) coded.Would MPEG2 titles fair better.

The reason I ask this is because VC-1 to AVC would require re-encoding and all the time that takes.I have a couple of MPEG2 titles so I could try those first perhaps without any re-encode.

The BD30 specs do say they support AVCHD on DVD media,so there has to be a reason.Any idea if my thinking could have some validity?

[Atak_Snajpera]

AVCHD = h.264 + ac3 in .M2TS container

[Albion]

AVCHD = h.264 + ac3 in .M2TS container

Appreciate the response.I take that as confirmation.

If so it may also confirm why many can't play Multiple DVD-R's in their Blu-ray players with a simple remux/split and a Blu-ray structure.

Now to find a h.264 Blu-ray encoded movie.

[EPiPH0NE]

Time to buy a BluRay burner :)

[Albion]

Time to buy a BluRay burner :)

Totally right.With BD-R's dropping to under £5 in the UK and always "out of stock" the price is only heading one way.

Converting to h.264 is just a painful drawn out process.

:thanks: to all.

[baudi]

I also have Panasonic BD-50 and many of the DVD+R DL I´ve burned (with Blu-Ray structure & UDF 2.5) extracted from a Blu-Ray movie don´t work.

Only works whit H.264 codec, but not allways, like Die Hard II Blu-Ray USA version. Maybe something not standard in the video streaming, but works well on BD-RE.

[Albion]

I also have Panasonic BD-50 and many of the DVD+R DL I´ve burned (with Blu-Ray structure & UDF 2.5) extracted from a Blu-Ray movie don´t work.

Only works whit H.264 codec, but not allways, like Die Hard II Blu-Ray USA version. Maybe something not standard in the video streaming, but works well on BD-RE.

Yeh,seems to confirm what we're saying.One thing though.I think all the Die Hard Blu-ray discs are VC-1.

[G_M_C]

When i read the first post i think i know the problem (its not codec-related, my BD30 "eats all", but i use x264 all the time cause it is most efficient given the lower bitrate/size available) ;
You need to mux through tsMuxeR, and set its output to Blu-ray. Rember to set the frame-rate option of you video-stream (don't actually change the value, but simply tick the box " on" ).

tsMuxer will than make a BDMV and a CERTIFICATE folder. You need to burn those; And i think that's where it went wrong with your attempts.

I strong suggest that you get IMGBurn (see elsewhere on this board) and use that in "Build"-mode. Then select both the CERTIFICATE and the BDMV folders in IMGBurn. IMGBurn will remind you that you are probably trying to make a Blu-ray, and will than set the UDF 2.50 for you and you are ready to burn.

Cause I think your problem is that you did not burn with UDF 2.50 file-system (that's why i use IMGBurn, cause i need reminding too cause i forget sometimes ;) )

[laserfan]

Yeh,seems to confirm what we're saying.One thing though.I think all the Die Hard Blu-ray discs are VC-1.Live Free or Die Hard US BD is h264, though my attempt to make a DVD+R of it would not play in my BD player.

[Albion]

When i read the first post i think i know the problem (its not codec-related, my BD30 "eats all", but i use x264 all the time cause it is most efficient given the lower bitrate/size available) ;
You need to mux through tsMuxeR, and set its output to Blu-ray. Rember to set the frame-rate option of you video-stream (don't actually change the value, but simply tick the box " on" ).

tsMuxer will than make a BDMV and a CERTIFICATE folder. You need to burn those; And i think that's where it went wrong with your attempts.

I strong suggest that you get IMGBurn (see elsewhere on this board) and use that in "Build"-mode. Then select both the CERTIFICATE and the BDMV folders in IMGBurn. IMGBurn will remind you that you are probably trying to make a Blu-ray, and will than set the UDF 2.50 for you and you are ready to burn.

Cause I think your problem is that you did not burn with UDF 2.50 file-system (that's why i use IMGBurn, cause i need reminding too cause i forget sometimes ;) )

G.M.C

Can I ask is your BD30 Firmware US or UK/Europe.

When you mention x264 are you talking re-encoding or simply that you are only burning h.264 encoded movies to DVD-R etc.
I can confirm that I am setting the output to Blu-ray with tsMuxer and burning as UDF 2.5. only I am using Nero 8 not IMGBurn.
Not quite sure what you mean by the frame rate option.Please could you explain your successful approach with the BD30 in a little more detail.Thanks for the interest.

[Albion]

Live Free or Die Hard US BD is h264, though my attempt to make a DVD+R of it would not play in my BD player.

Your quite right it is h.264.I read a review that stated it was VC-1.
The UK disc is also h.264.

[wakebrder]

As GMC said before, I think you are having a burning issue, not a file structure/media/codec/encoding issue.

I also have the panny BD-30 (US version) and it plays bluray structure just fine on over 50 discs.

Start using img burn to burn the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders and I bet your problems will go away.

BTW, when I burn a bluray structure to DVD, my BD-30 recognizes it as AVC-HD.

Good Luck!

[Albion]

As GMC said before, I think you are having a burning issue, not a file structure/media/codec/encoding issue.

I also have the panny BD-30 (US version) and it plays bluray structure just fine on over 50 discs.

Start using img burn to burn the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders and I bet your problems will go away.

BTW, when I burn a bluray structure to DVD, my BD-30 recognizes it as AVC-HD.

Good Luck!

Thanks wakebrder,I'll give it a go.

[Albion]

No go using imgBURN.
Exactly the same problems as when burn with Nero.
Picture freezes,sound plays then nothing (Die Hard).On Bram Stokers Dracula,starts then stutters like hell.Both h.264 codecs.

UK Firmware 1.7,DVD-R and DVD+R D/L used (Verbatim).

Do certain settings in tsMuxer need to be changed?Essentially left default except for selecting Blu-ray as output.
G.M.C mentioned checking frame rate option?

No problems burning BD-RE or BD-R using Nero.Just backed up RE3,works like a dream.Also converted HD-DVD titles to Blu-ray (BD-RE).Again faultless.

Anyone in the UK using BD30 firmware 1.7 and playing Bluray backups on multiple DVD-R DVD+R D/L.

Any input more than welcome.:confused:

[Guest]

I can't get things working either.

The Certificate directory created by tsremux has only a directory Backup, and that is empty.

Can anybody help, please? My colleague needs to leave for France tomorrow with a working disk. :(

It's MPEG2 video. The resulting disk won't play in anything, including PC.

[wakebrder]

No go using imgBURN.
Exactly the same problems as when burn with Nero.
Picture freezes,sound plays then nothing (Die Hard).On Bram Stokers Dracula,starts then stutters like hell.Both h.264 codecs.

UK Firmware 1.7,DVD-R and DVD+R D/L used (Verbatim).

Do certain settings in tsMuxer need to be changed?Essentially left default except for selecting Blu-ray as output.
G.M.C mentioned checking frame rate option?

No problems burning BD-RE or BD-R using Nero.Just backed up RE3,works like a dream.Also converted HD-DVD titles to Blu-ray (BD-RE).Again faultless.

Anyone in the UK using BD30 firmware 1.7 and playing Bluray backups on multiple DVD-R DVD+R D/L.

Any input more than welcome.:confused:

What are you using to compress video to fit on a dvd 9?

BTW, I just updated firmware to 2.4 (us), but had no problems before the update.

[Albion]

What are you using to compress video to fit on a dvd 9?

BTW, I just updated firmware to 2.4 (us), but had no problems before the update.

Ah!...maybe you've provided a clue.I am not compressing.I am splitting a full Blu-ray over multiple disks to maintain picture quality.

[baudi]

No go using imgBURN.
Exactly the same problems as when burn with Nero.
Picture freezes,sound plays then nothing (Die Hard).On Bram Stokers Dracula,starts then stutters like hell.Both h.264 codecs.


Me too.

I think the freeze problem is due to rotation speed of the Panasonic when reading a DVD, to avoid noisy, it´s not enough when playing BD flow on DVD-R, but it´s good enough for Blu-Ray on BD media.

Like laserfan said, all the four Live Free or Die Hard US versions on BD are h264 encoded, not VC-1.

[Albion]

Me too.

I think the freeze problem is due to rotation speed of the Panasonic when reading a DVD, to avoid noisy, it´s not enough when playing BD flow on DVD-R, but it´s good enough for Blu-Ray on BD media.

Like laserfan said, all the four Live Free or Die Hard US versions on BD are h264 encoded, not VC-1.

Strange though because,the manual specifically states that AVCHD Format can be played on all DVD Media.
So I take this to mean that if I split an h.264 encoded movie (using tsMuxer) over 3 x D/L DVD's using the Blu-ray structure in imgBURN it should play,so why does'nt it?It clearly recognises it as AVCHD

If you transfered AVCHD from a program like ULEAD etc to a DVD-R would the structure be different or like Blu-ray.

Is there some important detail I am missing?

[Albion]

I think the problem is this.AVCHD as regard that supported by Blu-ray players is a version which is encoded as 1080i or 720p.

This means that h.264 movies on Blu-ray require re-encoding.
This is where success has been repoted with Blu-ray players supporting AVCHD.
Playing 1080p will result in the problems encountered such as stuttering freezing etc.I'll try and check this out.

[Albion]

Well I have managed to transfer some 1080i at 29fps from a Blu-ray HD scape sampler onto DVD-R and it plays without any problems.

However having checked the AVCHD Format specs,they are supposed to support 1080p.Is the 24fps the problem? at least playing off DVD's that is.Or maybe it's the Progressive nature of the signal combined with DVD's?

[wakebrder]

Sorry-

I didn't realize you were splitting the files.

I'll give that a try tonight and report the results.

[Albion]

Sorry-

I didn't realize you were splitting the files.

I'll give that a try tonight and report the results.

Any help would be appreciated.It is rather frustrating to have a machine that clearly supports AVCHD on any of the DVD media available.It is fully able to play BD-RE and BD-R using the Blu-ray file structure.

Now I know AVCHD and Blu-ray are not exactly the same.The biggest difference seems to be the bitrate.It may well be that the 24MB/s max is the key(Video +Audio).Checking the HD Sampler footage mentioned earlier with BDinfo it hardly goes above 16MB/s +Audio.This footage however is AVC not VC-1 or MPEG2

On AvP there is a rather good looking trailer that is only 18MB/s + Audio yet is 1080p.I will check that out on a DVD-R.However it is encoded as MPEG2.If it works then it will likely be the bitrate and not the codec that is the problem with the BD30 and possibly other Blu-ray players.Either way we will know what the limits of Blu-ray players like the BD30 are and why.

In another thread it is suggested the problem is the Bitrate limits of DVD (11MB/s max Video + Audio).This cannot be right otherwise AVCHD (24MB/s would not be possible from DVD.However the manual for the BD30 states ACVHD is possible from DVD.Similarly you would not be able to play full 35MB/s (I believe this the max Blu-ray bitrate) off DVD in a PC (always assuming you have a good enough processor,graphics card,memory etc) if DVD bitrates were the problem.I see this as an overall controlling spec limit not what is possible.

[Albion]

Well I think I now know the limitations of the BD30 and possibly other Blu-ray players.
And we are talking here of backing up owned commercial Blu-ray and HD-DVD titles to Multiple DVD's retaining full High Definition quality,without re-encoding.

Firstly putting VC-1 in a m2ts container irrespective of bitrate will not play.Its that simple.
AVC,H.264 or MPEG4 call it what you will,will play as long as the total bitrate for Video and Sound is below 24MB/s the AVCHD format standard.If encoded in H.264 Most commercial movies are above this bitrate.This means a straight split will not work when transfered to DVD.The disks will either freeze or stutter badly.

MPEG2 coded movies (less and less now) being the stable companion of MPEG4 so to speak will also play as long as the bitrate is again less than 24MB/s.

The only way to get VC-1 movies and both MPEG4 and MPEG2 high bitrates to play on multiple DVD is to re-encode using something like RipBot or MeGui using the x264 engine.This process wil take a very long time,and some quality loss will likely occur.If you are interested in this then take a look at the appropriate threads in this very forum.

Alternatively you can backup using BD-RE or BD-R with no loss of quality.The last time I checked (in the UK) you could buy BD-R for £4-50 DATAWRITE or £6.50 VERBATIM including VAT.

If the movie is over the size of one disk,well your stuck unless you transfer to 2 of the cheaper BD-R disks.The good thing is that BD-R will be likely to fall in price over the coming months.

Not a solution I admit,but at least I got to an explanation,which is the next best thing.

:thanks:to all who contributed.

[frank]

Playing HD from DVD media the data transfer-rate of the drive limits the bitrate!
For full HD content 1920x1080 the dvd drive has to turn 3xdvd (=9xCD) to achieve the same bitrate like a Blu-ray disk.
But what most people don't know: most player drives only do 2x (when cav used: linear decreasing 4x to 2x) on dvd because of noise!! They are not built for BD-9 standard.

That means: DVD: max video bitrate = 15 Mbps. The average is < 10 Mbps.
That is FULLY sufficient for HD content 720p and x264.
The most reason for stuttering from dvd is a wrong setting of VBV. People simple copy the presettings for BR without special know-how.

Settings in MeGUI:
VBV Buffer size = 15000
VBV Maximum bitrate = 15000

Audio can use all bitrates until 640 kbps.
With this settings the VBV can buffer higher bitrate spikes for 0.5 sec. After this time the encoder is automatically forced to reduce the encoding bitrate < 15000 kbps!
I have made more than 20 BD-9 720p (8.5 GB DVD+R) - no more stuttering!

AFAIK Sony's PS3 has 3x drives, but that is a noisy game console.

[EPiPH0NE]

AFAIK Sony's PS3 has 3x drives, but that is a noisy game console.


LOL...and the iNDUSTRY STANDARD BluRay Disc/AVCHD player....If you don't have a PS3 and want full quality but, already have a BD burner, just use BD-RE 25/50 to watch movies and back-up on multi-set DVD-R until BD-R's get cheaper. Problem solved.

[baudi]

Playing HD from DVD media the data transfer-rate of the drive limits the bitrate!
For full HD content 1920x1080 the dvd drive has to turn 3xdvd (=9xCD) to achieve the same bitrate like a Blu-ray disk.
But what most people don't know: most player drives only do 2x (when cav used: linear decreasing 4x to 2x) on dvd because of noise!! They are not built for BD-9 standard.

That means: DVD: max video bitrate = 15 Mbps. The average is < 10 Mbps.
That is FULLY sufficient for HD content 720p and x264.
The most reason for stuttering from dvd is a wrong setting of VBV. People simple copy the presettings for BR without special know-how.

Settings in MeGUI:
VBV Buffer size = 15000
VBV Maximum bitrate = 15000

Audio can use all bitrates until 640 kbps.
With this settings the VBV can buffer higher bitrate spikes for 0.5 sec. After this time the encoder is automatically forced to reduce the encoding bitrate < 15000 kbps!
I have made more than 20 BD-9 720p (8.5 GB DVD+R) - no more stuttering!

AFAIK Sony's PS3 has 3x drives, but that is a noisy game console.

I agree with you, like I said in my post

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1186023&postcount=19

I´ve realised that playing a BD flow on DVD media can be achieved without any problem on a PS3. Smooth playback, but noisy.

[Albion]

Gentleman...I sincerely appreciate yout input.But this is about Blu-ray players and what they are capable of.The success of Blu-ray lies in players not the PS3.

I could have bought a PS3,but to be quite frank it is a games console.I am looking beyond that.
Why does'nt someone come with firmware updates to make Blu-ray players play VC-1 and high bitrate encoded movies on multiple DVD.If it is possible on PS3 then it MUST be possible on Blu-ray players (musn't it).
I also agree with EPiPHONE back up on DVD-R DVD+R D/L and then re-join at a later date when BD-R is cheaper.Full proof I agree.Wise words indeed.As for x264 at 15mb/s wel it is a painful way to backup to BD-9 and all the time it involves.

[EPiPH0NE]

Gentleman...I sincerely appreciate yout input.But this is about Blu-ray players and what they are capable of.The success of Blu-ray lies in players not the PS3.

I could have bought a PS3,but to be quite frank it is a games console.I am looking beyond that.
Why does'nt someone come with firmware updates to make Blu-ray players play VC-1 and high bitrate encoded movies on multiple DVD.If it is possible on PS3 then it MUST be possible on Blu-ray players (musn't it).
I also agree with EPiPHONE back up on DVD-R DVD+R D/L and then re-join at a later date when BD-R is cheaper.Full proof I agree.Wise words indeed.As for x264 at 15mb/s wel it is a painful way to backup to BD-9 and all the time it involves.

EPiPH0NE + wise words...LOL...something I rarely hear :devil:

I do agree I would also like the industry to move away from the PS3 but I don't think Sony will let that happen. I don't think you will see any FW soon allowing what you want because they want you to use BluRay Disc in the BluRay Disc players not AVCHD. Time will tell.

[G_M_C]

Playing HD from DVD media the data transfer-rate of the drive limits the bitrate!
For full HD content 1920x1080 the dvd drive has to turn 3xdvd (=9xCD) to achieve the same bitrate like a Blu-ray disk.
But what most people don't know: most player drives only do 2x (when cav used: linear decreasing 4x to 2x) on dvd because of noise!! They are not built for BD-9 standard.

That means: DVD: max video bitrate = 15 Mbps. The average is < 10 Mbps.
That is FULLY sufficient for HD content 720p and x264.
The most reason for stuttering from dvd is a wrong setting of VBV. People simple copy the presettings for BR without special know-how.

Settings in MeGUI:
VBV Buffer size = 15000
VBV Maximum bitrate = 15000

Audio can use all bitrates until 640 kbps.
With this settings the VBV can buffer higher bitrate spikes for 0.5 sec. After this time the encoder is automatically forced to reduce the encoding bitrate < 15000 kbps!
I have made more than 20 BD-9 720p (8.5 GB DVD+R) - no more stuttering!

AFAIK Sony's PS3 has 3x drives, but that is a noisy game console.

Why doesn't anyone read other threads or other parts of the forum or simply :search:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=141376

About VC-1, I don't know. I have no samples to work with, so cannot confirm anything. x264 should work though, but I'm having troubles with one of mine where i want to use the DTS-MA track. I'll report on this later, but it gives strange results.

@ Neuron2; MPEG2 should work fine, I've tried those, and they work. May be it's your player, cause some players don't seem to work at all (i suspect laserfans LG 200 for instance of being firmware disabled).

[EPiPH0NE]

Why doesn't anyone read other threads or other parts of the forum or simply :search:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1187018#post1187018

About VC-1, I don't know. I have no samples to work with, so cannot confirm anything. x264 should work though, but I'm having troubles with one of mine where i want to use the DTS-MA track. I'll report on this later, but it gives strange results.

@ Neuron2; MPEG2 should work fine, I've tried those, and they work. May be it's your player, cause some players don't seem to work at all (i suspect laserfans LG 200 for instance of being firmware disabled).

This takes hours and hours to do and most people just want RETAiL quality in the shortest/easiest way and encoding every movie to x264 + NOT cropping in the process just makes for inferior/non-retail results and which seems like it would again just be easier to buy a BD burner and 1 BD-RE 25 and 1 BD-RE 50 and save yourself some energy bills by not having to run your PC for hours on end encoding video. I can go from BluRay/HD-DVD -> full RETAiL TS/M2TS in under 2 hrs. I can do 4+ movies in the time it takes to do 1 BD9. And mine are lossless. I'm sure BD5/BD9 are OK quality but if you're gonna commit the time to do x264 rips you might as well have hardware that can properly support them like an NMT. I have seen plenty of proper 1080p x264 rips that easily rival the 1080p ES streams they came from :) Even 720p on most screens under 50" looks great upscaled -> 1080p.

[G_M_C]

On BD-R(E) .... I, for instance, live in the Netherlands. Media-distribution to/from/within this country might actually be the most retarded in the world; Most releases come months after all other EU-countries, Transformers or Kill Bill isn't even available in this country (but it is in FR or UK). And when eventually available, they are so expensive that it is allmost rediculous (up to 35 euro's or more for 1 Bluray). The same idea goes for BD-R(E) blanks and/or drives; They're bloody expensive, and their availabillity isn't great either.

For instance; When i order Pan's Labyrinth through Amazon.com (it's region free, so that would work), it'll cost me $ 18,95 + $ 4,61 shipping wich comes down to approx 16,15 euros. And then i have an original BD.

A blank verbatim BD-R cost about (click) (http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.aspx?sku=346465) 14,50 euro's in this country ... for a BD-25; And many movies wont fit that.

So do the math; BD9 works fine, and is the cheaper option. re-encoding to BD9 with x264 is no problem for me, nor is it for many many others; A fact proven simply by the fact that there are so many users on this board that ask about it. And I allways try to reencode to equal resolution (1080p mostly).

It seems more to me that it is YOU that doesnt have the patience to reencode (or the PC or the skills ?), doesnt mean that it is not smart to do it or that everybody should buy a BD-burner. Get a faster PC / CPU / MEM for transcoding, it'll go faster ;)

I'll get myself a BR-burner + disks when prices and availabillity improve, and that you''l probably still see me reencoding from DB-50 to BD-25. Because BD-25's will probably be cheaper, and i suspect that it will be done by very many more people (analog to DVD-9 to DVD-5 re-encoding through DVD-Rebuilder for instance).

[EPiPH0NE]

On BD-R(E) .... I, for instance, live in the Netherlands. Media-distribution to/from/within this country might actually be the most retarded in the world; Most releases come months after all other EU-countries, Transformers or Kill Bill isn't even available in this country (but it is in FR or UK). And when eventually available, they are so expensive that it is allmost rediculous (up to 35 euro's or more for 1 Bluray). The same idea goes for BD-R(E) blanks and/or drives; They're bloody expensive, and their availabillity isn't great either.

A one time investment in a BD-RE 25 and a BD-RE 50 NOT BD-R is well worth it than spending 20 hours on one movie regardless of who you are or where you live

For instance; When i order Pan's Labyrinth through Amazon.com (it's region free, so that would work), it'll cost me $ 18,95 + $ 4,61 shipping wich comes down to approx 16,15 euros. And then i have an original BD.

You see where I live we have what are called rental services. I guess it sucks for you.

A blank verbatim BD-R cost about (click) (http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.aspx?sku=346465) 14,50 euro's in this country ... for a BD-25; And many movies wont fit that.

I said BD-RE not BD-R.

So do the math; BD9 works fine, and is the cheaper option. re-encoding to BD9 with x264 is no problem for me, nor is it for many many others; A fact proven simply by the fact that there are so many users on this board that ask about it. And I allways try to reencode to equal resolution (1080p mostly).

Equal resolution doesn't matter for MPEG4 if it's NOT cropped. Unless the movie is truly 1920x1080 and few movies are these days.

It seems more to me that it is YOU that doesnt have the patience to reencode (or the PC or the skills ?), doesnt mean that it is not smart to do it or that everybody should buy a BD-burner. Get a faster PC / CPU / MEM for transcoding, it'll go faster ;)

You know nothing about me. I started doing MPEG4 encoding back in 2000 and stopped last year after literally waisting what added up to be years of time encoding video. What you are doing for your BluRay players is like putting regular unleaded gas in a Ferrari and taking 20 hours to do it. What's the point?

I'll get myself a BR-burner + disks when prices and availabillity improve, and that you''l probably still see me reencoding from DB-50 to BD-25. Because BD-25's will probably be cheaper, and i suspect that it will be done by very many more people (analog to DVD-9 to DVD-5 re-encoding through DVD-Rebuilder for instance).

Screw BD-R's. Stick with BD-RE's for playback and DVD-R's for backup. If you've already spent the $400+ on a BluRay Disc player why settle for inferior BD5/BD9 quality when it just doesn't make sense. You guys really wanna wait 20 hours to watch 1 movie? I will have watched 10+ movies in the time you have spent to encode 1.

[n0mag!c]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1098894

I tested it on DVD-RW, not even on DVD-R. So max playable bitrate on PS3 from DVD is not less than 30 mbps.
P.S. PS3 works very quiet in all cases.