Lord of the Rings SVCD to DVD [Archive] - Page 2

robinsj

21st January 2002, 21:09

this is what i did... patched all files to 720x480... imported them into dvd maestro... saved the project... close maestro... patched all files back to 480x480... opened maestro... opened the project... and tried exporting to new mpeg... that worked... at this step... i tried importing the new mpv file into maestro and it said invalid dvd blah blah blah... so i repatched the new mpeg to 720x480... then tried importing it to maestro... and at 78% i get the error...

Nahie

21st January 2002, 21:24

Well I don't know what to tell you on that. DVD Maestro has given me similar errors on files before, but then other authoring apps would give me these errors too. Usually it is a corrupt MPEG file. Maybe you could try exporting the video again, but to a different drive this time?

robinsj

21st January 2002, 21:27

Yeah... was just about to do that.... I just read through your PDF file... I don't think the PAN & SCAN is correct for NTSC... I didn't do it... in fact, I read through to make sure I had done the same steps as you pointed out... few things I did different.. convert to ac3 first... but I didn't do the mpeg repair thing... and my picture doesn't turn out like the NTSC picture that you put in there... it turns out like the first one... correctly.. and I didn't even use the mpeg repair tool.... ??

Nahie

21st January 2002, 21:50

What DVD player are you using? The pan and scan stuff may be specific to my player (Pioneer 343). Those pics on the end are screen captured right off the player though. Without the pan and scan, it doesn't work right.

robinsj

21st January 2002, 21:56

I use the pioneer DV-440 ... not much difference between the two.. I was working with the sample mpg first.. much easier to work with 20mbs of files then 3gb of files... i wanted to make sure it worked first.. so i messed with the sample... when I was working with the sample, Funny enough, I had done everything to it that is in your guide now, except for the Mpegrepair part... and it played fine... and the picture looked just like the Correct one...

robinsj

21st January 2002, 22:34

Crap... tried everything.. but still get that faliure at 78%... guess i will try starting from the beginning.. who knows maybe i did something to one of the files and didn't relize it....

Nahie

21st January 2002, 22:38

Very strange, but it looks like it might be a bug with the Pioneer 343. I tried with the sample first too, and that is where I got that strange picture. So I tried different settings with the pan and scan (720x480, 352x480, etc.) until I discovered that 480x480 worked. The larger numbers (720, etc.) would push the picture further to the left. Has anyone else tried this?

robinsj

21st January 2002, 22:52

I never did anything with that pan & scan, or with mpegrepair for that matter... i always changed dvd patcher to 720x480.. and it came out fine... just like your first picture.. wierd...

FirstBorg

22nd January 2002, 00:15

I got something strange too. If I try to work with cd3 or 4 in tmpeg I get illegal mpeg stream. If I want to load them in dvd patcher, it says that there is no sequence header, and I cant patch it.

robinsj

22nd January 2002, 00:18

Never had that problem.. you may want to re-extract your cd3/4 mpg files

FirstBorg

22nd January 2002, 00:30

nah... I redownload them to be sure... :)

BTW, I found a very easy way, just with cd1 and cd2, cause of the prpblem with cd 3 and 4. Demux cd1 and 2 and then join the audio and video files separately and this will work(I just tried it with the videostream. I joined with mpeg repair, and I have a nice stream with the hole time index of both files :)

robinsj

22nd January 2002, 04:16

Which mpeg repair did you use?? Pixel Tools? or what?

SkoalWintergreen

22nd January 2002, 05:19

okay I have MPegRepair but I don't have the PanScan.ini file, can that be posted here?

robinsj

22nd January 2002, 05:29

I don't think it is necessarily its own file.. if you look in the mpegrepair.ini file you will find the same code in it as in the picture in the guide that nahie posted....

Nahie: I have tried everything, still errors out at 78%.... can't figure it out....

SkoalWintergreen

22nd January 2002, 05:33

you sure b/c he only shows that one line? and that ini file may not be adding the pan scan features

robinsj

22nd January 2002, 05:44

I am pretty sure... but even besides that.. Mine works without even using mpeg repair... Worked with all 4 files split up... my goal now is to get them all combined... still working on it... I think it has something to do with my 4th video file... because I just combined the first 3 successfully... so now, I am on to figure out whats up with the 4th video file....

SkoalWintergreen

22nd January 2002, 05:52

well to display on an NTSC TV properly you have to have the panscan, obviously you could make your own .ini file easily just have to know exactly what it says, can anyone post this or can anyone post the actual file?

robinsj

22nd January 2002, 06:14

Well I am telling you as a user of NTSC tv... and i am guessing you have viewed her pdf guide... mine works perfect on a NTSC TV, and picture looks exactly like her correct picture in there, I am sure I would be able to tell if it looked like the other picture...

SkoalWintergreen

22nd January 2002, 06:21

alrite thats cool, I'll try it without that crap, thanks man. and I did the 352 resize header from the pdf is that better then the 720? I resized to 352x480 never the less it did load in Maestro

robinsj

22nd January 2002, 06:25

i don't know... haven't tried the 352 resize... i have gotten it to load into maestro too... but question is.. have you been able to combine the mpegs in maestro as stated in her guide?? i can... and then obviously to reimport the new mpeg back into maestro, you have to run it back through the dvdpatcher... then import it in... mine stalls at 78% and quits with an error? have you gotten this far?

Nahie

22nd January 2002, 07:21

Looking for this?

LINK REMOVED

Rename it to PanScan.ini. It came with my install of MPEG Repair, don't know why it didn't come with yours.

Still have no idea why you're having problems, robinsj. Worked fine for me, the whole movie. Maybe you need to download it again?

robinsj

22nd January 2002, 07:46

Okay... I am following your guide right now.. step by step... will even do the pan and scan... one question for you... at the end of it, you just say, import your joined audio and video files... so you don't mention anything about haveing to re-dvdpatcher the new mpeg file you made from within maestro? do you not have to do this yourself?

robinsj

22nd January 2002, 07:55

One more question.. is there any difference between patching the res to 352x480 or 720x480 ??

Nahie

22nd January 2002, 07:59

I don't think I had to repatch the files. I believe DVD Maestro just combines the files and doesn't change any of the header info, which is already patched. And I don't think there is any difference between 352x480 and 720x480...the idea is just to fool Maestro into importing the files. Both are valid NTSC resolutions for DVD, so both should work.

robinsj

22nd January 2002, 08:07

Okay.. well.. when I did it... and got all 4 files into maestro... then exported the new mpeg... and then tried importing the new mpg... it gave the invalid resolution error... so it was then that i repatched the new huge mpg with dvdpatcher.. and tried importing it.. and it would stop at 78%... so have you done this.. exported the 4 files combined, and been able to import it back in without have to use dvdpatcher??

Deathman

22nd January 2002, 10:14

Hi all..

just a quick note to say that i have successfully converted lord of the rings and 4 other svcds to dvdr... the way i did it was quite simple really..

Demux each mpeg .. use dvd patcher to convert to 720x480 ( i had problems with patching to 352x480- picture was all over the place after i compiled) import into dvd maestro ..repatch back to 480x480 ... convert audio into ac3..
use sync audio on each mpeg to create single audio track .. export mpegs into 1 mpeg from maestro .. patch single mpeg to 720x480 .. reimport back into maestro ... repatch back to 480x480 .. compile .. works perfect on both my computers .. and all 3 dvd players i got .. :)

Nahie

22nd January 2002, 10:39

Originally posted by robinsj
Okay.. well.. when I did it... and got all 4 files into maestro... then exported the new mpeg... and then tried importing the new mpg... it gave the invalid resolution error... so it was then that i repatched the new huge mpg with dvdpatcher.. and tried importing it.. and it would stop at 78%... so have you done this.. exported the 4 files combined, and been able to import it back in without have to use dvdpatcher??

I didn't have to repatch the combined MPEG file, it just imported, and no error at 78%. It worked fine for me, the only thing I had to do different from you all it seems is I had to add the pan and scan vectors for my standalone player to play it correctly.

-Nahie

robinsj

22nd January 2002, 20:26

SUCCESS.... finally... Okay... maybe I should have tried a little harder to diagnose where the problem was coming from, because i did several fixes in one... so i don't know what it was that made it work... but it works now... I redownload cd3 and cd4, and ran them all through the pan & scan (still haven't come to the conclusion that this step is needed, I might run it through again with the new cds without this step, just to see how it comes out)... but either way... it works now... I am done... hehe

FirstBorg

22nd January 2002, 21:00

You do it all so complicated.....

SkoalWintergreen

22nd January 2002, 23:46

I get that 78% error to before the video stops, trying another authoring program though

robinsj

23rd January 2002, 01:03

Please keep me updated as to what you do.... I got past the error.. but i am getting different errors now, and I know it is a result of that error... tell me if you get it to work and what program...

Nahie

23rd January 2002, 04:59

robinsj, I finally was able to replicate your 78% importing problem. It happened when I went to re-import the files into DVD maestro. When I did this the first time, I imported all the seperate video files, exported them, then re-imported this file and all was well. It seems that if you close DVD Maestro at any time during this process (to patch the file back to 480x480 for instance) it will make a new .prv file when you open it again, and this is where it fails. I don't know why this is, but for now don't close Maestro and it should work. Also, you can repatch the .vob files Maestro makes after it is compiled.

-Nahie

robinsj

23rd January 2002, 05:09

Yeah... I found that out.. about closing it and opening it, after trying several test... What i was trying to do, since SpruceUp uses the same .prv files I was trying to use maestro to combine the files, and then use spruceup to create the DVD... Because I have no clue how to use dvd maestro, and it I have tried, and it is pretty confusing, so now I don't know what to do....

robinsj

23rd January 2002, 05:12

I found out the Mydvd allows you to put those files into it... but then i have read on these forums that it sucks... do any of you of an opinon on it?

Nahie

23rd January 2002, 06:15

Originally posted by robinsj
Because I have no clue how to use dvd maestro, and it I have tried, and it is pretty confusing, so now I don't know what to do....

Maestro? Confusing? That's the first time I've heard that. But then again the first DVD Authoring program I learned was Scenarist...

Do I need to make a Maestro Authoring guide for you? It is really pretty simple. Didn't your Maestro come with a manual? All you have to do is:

1) Import your assets (video, audio)
2) Put them on the movie timeline
3) Set the "first play" target in the "connections" panel to your movie. (under view, select workbook mode, and then you should see a tab for connections under your movie timeline window, below where it says 29.97 fps. Select the "command sequences" icon on the top of the upper left window to display the "first play" target in your connections window)
4) Build the project (tools->compile or alt-c).
5) Burn the disc :)

That is all for now,

-Nahie

robinsj

23rd January 2002, 06:22

Hehe... my "version" was missing the manual, maybe you wouldn't mind posting the sprucedvd.hlp file... and consider it a guide?? it would be very helpful....

p-NUT

23rd January 2002, 19:10

Heh, sounds a lot more complicated than what I thought.
Thanks Nahie for the step-by-step.
As soon as I can track down all the software (some look hard to find. :(), I'll give it a go.
Sounds like there are a bunch of pretty bright people in here, thanks for all the tips!!
:)
p-NUT

FirstBorg

23rd January 2002, 19:15

It is so simple...
Demux the 4 files, then join the video files with the copy command, then join the audio files with the copy command, and then multiplex it again. Now you have one big file...

robinsj

23rd January 2002, 22:55

There are a few more steps then that firstborg, you have to make it dvd compliant, and 44.1khz sound isn't, 480x480 resolution isn't either

FirstBorg

23rd January 2002, 23:10

you can put it as svcd on a dvd'r. it has the same quality.
and a resample to 48 KHz is senceless, cause in the svcd stream it is in 44 khz, so it does not have frequecies above it. And if you resample that, you have "room" for 48, but you dont have frequencies in that "room".

p-NUT

23rd January 2002, 23:39

Originally posted by FirstBorg
you can put it as svcd on a dvd'r.

If you could tell me how to do that, you would be a hero in my book.
I have tried this with a few different programs with no luck at all.
Have you done it, and how?
Thanks,

p-NUT

Nahie

23rd January 2002, 23:43

Don't forget we're talking about standalone capability too. You can join the files and put them on a DVD-R as a big MPEG file, but that won't play in any standalone players that I'm aware of, just software and PC hardware decoders.

FirstBorg

23rd January 2002, 23:47

I have not done it yet, cause Im trying to add a german audiostream, and cant get it synchron to the video stream. But with Ulead DVD Moviefactory, you can put the mpeg2 file(if you joined it) as svcd on a dvd-r. You can even set chapters..
and every standalone player which can read a mpeg2, the most player are able, can read this. This is a real SVCD.

p-NUT

23rd January 2002, 23:55

Nope. I tried with Ulead DVD Moviefactory, it doesn't work.
This is my first journey into the DVD-buring world. The more that I have read in the last few days here has convinced me that a SVCD/DVD-r is just not possible.
I think the advice in this thread is the best there is. I am just trying to collect all the software to start the process now.

p-NUT

robinsj

23rd January 2002, 23:56

Firstborg, this thread was about converting it to DVD, not making it so the svcd would fit on a dvdr and play still in svcd format... We were trying (did) accomplish the task, of taking a SVCD format, and making it into a dvd that any standalone will play (not all standalones play svcd) without re-encoding the videostream. So, you say resampling the audio to 48khz is senseless.. No it isn't, because if it isn't 48khz, no DVD Authoring program will recognize it, and I tried Ulead, you can't make it into dvd format with ulead. I have tried several, with dvd maestro being the only one that was successful, all others you couldn't trick into thinking it was a dvd resolution video stream...

Blind Voyeur

24th January 2002, 17:14

Ok to get a few things straight here. I followed the guide and now have everything pretty much perfect. I have a few questions though.

1. When I first compiled my project it was slightly to big to fit on a dvd-r. (I did not convert the audio to Ac-3 I left them as wavs)If
I convert them to ac-3 it should fit, right?

2. Is there good help somewhere on creating nice menus for Dvds. I work as a graphic artist so graphics are no problem, but I haven't used maestro or any other software alot yet.

Thanks in advance to any help that is given this is a nice formum and I am glad I found a place to go with helpful people.

robinsj

24th January 2002, 19:50

Yes, I previously stated in one of the messages you didn't need to encode it to ac3, well, you do, or the wav file is way to big.. like 2gbs or something... when you encode it to ac3 (be prepared, more waiting, takes about 1hr30mins) it will be about 500mb...

Rallemulle

24th January 2002, 20:11

I got the Lord of the rings dvdrip or svcd(dont really know what it is) and its 4cds and every cd is about 760mb to 794mb and i dont have any dvdburner, so i want them to be in 700mb, so heres what i want to do: i want to connect all 4 cd's into one big mpgfile(the cd's are in mpg format) and then i want to split them into 5 cd's, in the same cuality... what program am i gonna need? and how do i do??