DVDREB nor working properly in certain cases

[Megawarp]

Hello!

I would like to ask a few things about DVDREB freezes, or not producing the desired result.

The first thing happened to me only twice (from like 100 movies), with the movies THE ISLAND, and BEOWULF, and using the main movie only option. I live in Hungary so I want to keep this audio track only. I always use NERO RECODE to get a quick info about the reduction percantage, and DVD REB almost reports the same, with only 1,5-2 % greater reduction level. But with this 2 movies the difference was much bigger, at least 6 %, THE ISLAND: NERO 72%, DVD reb 66%. If I kept the HUN audio track only, I have got 66% reduction, if I kept both ENG, and HUN audio track, I have got the same 66% reduction. After the encoding I could not select the english audio track when I kept the HUN only. When I have pre processed the movie with DVDFAB removing the movie only, leaving all the audio tracks, and subtitles in place, and than give it to DVDREB, it was able to produce the correct reduction level, I mean choosing only the HUN audio track it reported a 72% reduction, and keeping both the HUN, and ENG it reported the 66%. The same happened with BEOWULF.

My other problem is the BONUS DISC encoding. So far DVD REB produced 3 kind of endresult. The first is a perfectly working bonus disc, the second is only an almost perfect, usually the picture gallery (slide show) missing, (I have tried just to see what DVDFAB do with this, and the result was the same, missing pictures), it happened with planet of the apes (2001), alien movies bonus discs for example. And the third is the worst, after the preparation phase, DVDREB freezes, it happened with for instance THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW, FIGHT CLUB bonus disc.

One more thing considering THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW BONUS DISC. If i give it to DVDREB without preprocessing it reports 47% reduction, if I preprocess it with DVDFAB using the full disc option without any reduction, and than give it to DVDREB it reports a 55% reduction witch I think is more believable, but still freezes after the preparation phase.

I would like to state, that encoding the main movie only, I have never had a problem, DVDREB never freezed, only with bonus discs.

[zacoz]

Some, if not all, of your problems seem to be coming from the pre-processing being done by DVDFAB. I don't use DVD FAB (RipIt4Me/DVDDecrypter fan) so not familiar with it's options or how it works, but it sounds like your % variance (72 / 66) may be related to how it removes unwanted audio. I wouldn't get hung up on the difference if your getting the right output from DVDRB. Personally, I'd do a full rip and just remove the audio within DVDRB and/or select movie only mode in DVDRB.

As for your extras discs, if you're losing slideshows it seems that DVDFAB may be removing small/insignificant cells as part of it's pre-processing, and getting confused. Therefore don't pre-process. If you're getting a freeze in the same spot all the time, then maybe try ripping with a different ripper to see if it makes any difference. Also check / post your log if there's anything relevant in it.

[Megawarp]

Thanks for the answer zacoz, but I think your missing the point (or maybe its my english 8) )

Some, if not all, of your problems seem to be coming from the pre-processing being done by DVDFAB. I don't use DVD FAB (RipIt4Me/DVDDecrypter fan) so not familiar with it's options or how it works, but it sounds like your % variance (72 / 66) may be related to how it removes unwanted audio. I wouldn't get hung up on the difference if your getting the right output from DVDRB. Personally, I'd do a full rip and just remove the audio within DVDRB and/or select movie only mode in DVDRB.

Normally I never preprocess anything, and I know what jdobbs thinks about preprocessing.

My first problem again (without any preprocessing) the movie only option: THE ISLAND: selecting ENG 5.1 + HUN 5.1 Reduction Level for DVD-5: 66%

selecting ONLY HUN 5.1 Reduction Level for DVD-5: 66%

The reduction Level should not be the same!

As for your extras discs, if you're losing slideshows it seems that DVDFAB may be removing small/insignificant cells as part of it's pre-processing, and getting confused. Therefore don't pre-process. If you're getting a freeze in the same spot all the time, then maybe try ripping with a different ripper to see if it makes any difference. Also check / post your log if there's anything relevant in it.

That my be true with DVDFAB, but DVDRB does the same (NO PREPROCESSING)
Actually as a ripper I use DVD Decrypter (95% is ripped with it, only 5% with DVDFAB decrypter)

[blutach]

You did do 2 prepares on The Island, right? One with both audios selected and the other with only Hungarian. You must do independent prepares if you delete an audio or subbie stream.

Regards

[Megawarp]

No, I used one click mode (99% I use it). I mean thats the interesting thing, and it only happened twice so far, and I did nothing differently than with the other cases where everthing worked perfectly.

[blutach]

Well, you can't compare the two. If you do just a prepare with both tracks selected and another with only one, you'll see a difference, I am sure. Otherwise, the rip has stripped the stream already for you but not deleted it from the VTSI_MAT table.

Regards

[Megawarp]

There is no difference, thats the point! As soon as I can upload images about the DVDRB setup, and compression ratio I made with hypersnap I can show it. And the rip is perfect 1:1 made with DVD Decrypter.

[Megawarp]

As I mentioned before, it happened twice with THE ISLAND, and BEOWULF. Since THE ISLAND is no longer on my HDD, I provide images about BEOWULF, the images respect the timeline, check out the audio tracks, and the %! No preprocessing, just a rip by DVD Decrypter.

Not at all! I think I managed to attach them.

[blutach]

Would you mind editing your post and uploading your images to www.imageshack.us or attaching them to your post? Your server is not displaying them easily.

Regards

[Megawarp]

Sorry abut that, this was the first time I did something like this, and I found this server in google, this was the first. I hope I edited my post correctly and attached the pics.

[blutach]

No problems. Can you do me one little experiment please? Load your source in something like DVD Shrink and see what the size of the various audio streams are.

Regards

[Megawarp]

Of course!

[blutach]

Well, I'm stumped. I thought the stream might have been there but stripped (post 6). But the settings in the 3rd pic in post 8 should give a higher BR than those in the 1st.

Perhaps jdobbs can give a reason.

Regards