dxva with ati 2400 pro hd (AGP) [Archive]

carlo_0000

9th June 2008, 06:40

hi

i have buy a 2400 pro for my mediacenter in agp

it's a athlon thorton 3100+ soket A @2.2ghz
512mb

first i installed the package with the ati cd (driver,catalyst center...)

but with that driver directx doesn't work

so tryed other drivers, without succes

and for the last driver from ati doesn't support the AGP video cards
but with modifying some files, i was able to install them

i olso installed ATI HD Registry Tweaks
http://home.comcast.net/~exdeus/ati-hd2x00/#AGP

but it still doesn't work
i have only dxva with mpeg2 files

and not h264

and before puting the ati 2400 pro into my mediacenter
i test it on a other computer (athlon 64 2800+, and there it work great with the last suported driver for 2400 agp)

i cannot understand why it doen't work on the mediacenter

i have reinstalled windows xp sp3, updated and all
but change nothing, tryed a lot of thing all the night

it s 7.37 am and no succes, this stupid dxva would work at all

:confused::confused::devil:

forgot to say i use the cyberlink powerdvd 8 codec

there must be something wrong with powerdvd 8 but i have dxva with the internal h264 filter of media player clasic homecinema

Cyber-Mav

26th February 2009, 19:41

its an ati problem, i have bought a hd 2400 too but its a PCI card not PCI-Express or AGP and h264 acceleration dont work at all using xp, (not tried vista). never buy ati cards is the story.

DJ Bobo

26th February 2009, 22:40

I would blame PowerDVD here if you say you got it working within MPC HC.
Checked you got the latest version of PowerDVD? or may be you should try an older version (7.3 for example).
Software is getting so crappy these days...

Cyber-Mav

26th February 2009, 23:49

using dxva checker in windows xp on the 2400 pro it doesnt show there to be any hardware acceleration of h264 content. only mpeg2 is listed. guess ati UVD 1 is not as good as they made it out to be.

tetsuo55

27th February 2009, 00:03

You need to take the following steps:

-Update to the latest directx (nov2008)
-Install .net 1>3,5 sp1
-Install catalyst 9.2 AGP hotfix
-Remove The cyberlink h264 dll, the SSE version
-Rename the SSe2 version to SSE version name

Now powerdvd will work

Stil like the other have said MPC-HC is a good alternative

using dxva checker in windows xp on the 2400 pro it doesnt show there to be any hardware acceleration of h264 content. only mpeg2 is listed. guess ati UVD 1 is not as good as they made it out to be.

You need to follow the same steps (cyberlink part is only needed if your cpu does not support SSE2)
The 2400pro is fine for any DXVA compatible content (Mpeg2, VC!, H264) however you must apply the registry tweaks to unlock everything and the card hates jitter, so don't have any other applications running while using it to watch movies

Cyber-Mav

27th February 2009, 02:12

well iv done a fresh install of xp with all .net frameworks and full windows updates, tried 9.2 driver and 8.12 driver with mpc-hc and still no dxva acceleration, i dont even have power dvd installed. cpu being used is a athlon xp, so only has SSE1.

tried windows 7 now too and vista, these 2 os's get closer as in mpc will try to play the file and say DXVA bit stream decoder but nothing will play and its in the stop position and clicking play does nothing.

its something to do with these crappy ati cards that just dont do video decoding at all in hardware.

Cyber-Mav

27th February 2009, 02:21

gonna give this one last try before i give up with ati altogether. putting XP back on the system.

if you can guide me on the exact process i need to do to get dxva working on h264 matroska videos i wouldbe greatful.

what i did before was clean install of windows xp, ati driver 9.2 agp hotfix (even though i have a PCI card (not pci-express)) copied over the media player classic hc file, installed ac3 filter and installed haali splitter from haali site latest version and tried to run a few videos but none have dxva acceleration.

on my nvidia machines the 8600gt, 8800gt, and 9600gso mpc-hc works perfectly fine with dxva acceleration, and thats on vista and XP too.

hence why i believe its an ati limitation of some sort. the ati cards just arent good enough to do it.

tetsuo55

27th February 2009, 13:25

are you sure the files are DXVA compatible?

I have the 2400pro (AGP) and every compatible file i throw at it works perfectly fine

are you using the latest svn version of mpc-hc?

Cyber-Mav

27th February 2009, 15:50

tetsuo55

27th February 2009, 19:14

yes im using the latest version on the top of the software thread svn patched v15.

all the files work perfectly fine on the nvidia 8 series cards i have. iv given up on this now, the 2400 just card do hardware acceleration.

You're failure at getting DXVA working has nothing to do with the 2400's capabilities.

The card can decode any and all DXVA compatible files after applying the registry patches. If you do not apply those DXVA will only work for 720p

The nvidia cards ignore DXVA compatibily and only limit DXVA due to a bug in the maximum number of reference frames.

This means that L5.1 files work on Nvidia cards but fail on ATI cards which only support L4.1

Cyber-Mav

27th February 2009, 23:54

ahh that must be it then, the ati card i have is too crap to decode l5.1 or anything else i have. i even applied the registry patches and it made no difference. do you have a short sample video clip that is known to work on the 2400 to see if it is the videos i have that are the problem.

tetsuo55

28th February 2009, 00:25

None of the ati cards can decode L5.1 because it is not Bluray compatible.

I will look into getting you a L4.1 sample

Cyber-Mav

28th February 2009, 02:15

bah waste of money this ati card was. hopefully others learn from my mistake and dont waste thier money on this crap too. shame im limited to a pci slot only otherwise i would have done the sensible thing and gone with a Nvidia card.

tetsuo55

28th February 2009, 10:46

Wait...

I completely missed the "PCI" part.

We have a chance here (if you are willing to spend the time)

First i will explain how ATI (and nvidia) does it:
-They build a random PCI-Express videocard.
-They add a AGP>PCI-E converter (this replaces the PCI-E pins so you can put it in a AGP slot.

In you're case they added a PCI>PCI-E converter.

Basically ATI has taken its slowest DX10 card and made it bus limited.

This leads to a couple of questions:
-Can the PCI bus (which is a lot slower than AGP, and shared with all other hardware) even handle DXVA streams?
-Does the DirectX allow for DXVA over PCI? (it should but it is still a valid question)
-Does the AGP hotpatch also patch the PCI bus?(It should, i assume it's the same converter)

To find this out you will need to do a couple of things:
-Update your motherboard bios to the latest available version
-Update all your motherboard drivers to the latest available version
-Install 9.2 AGP hotfix
-Install DirectX nov 2008
-Install .net up to 3.5 SP1
-apply latest version of the ATI HD 2XXX reg patches

After a reboot you should use the DXVA checker to see if and which codecs are supported.

If the codecs are not listed the next step would be talking to the reg patch guy, and ofcourse a support ticket with the manufacturer of your videocard

finally, you should know that ATI is marketing the 2400 as a 720P videocard, so if you where expecting full-hd you did buy the wrong card (even if the reg-patches unlock 1080p decoding)

PS
De black screen on playback actually means you're on the right track, if the above steps all fail you can try to google Catayst 8.6 AGP hotfix (which is basically 8.5 with the hotfix applied, this version seems to work for everyone)

Cyber-Mav

28th February 2009, 21:15

black screen on playback only occured in vista and windows 7, in xp it plays video but no dxva is used.

the regular 9.2 drivers work fine in all games i put on the system, opengl and direct3d games work fine. so i guess agp hotfix drivers not needed, although i did try them when i first had xp on.

given up on this now. as far as i can tell h246 hardware decoding is not possibe on ati cards. its a shame on regular pci slot there is nothing better than the 2400 available. there used to be a nvidia 8500gt on pci slot but cant seem to find any shop selling it at all.

tetsuo55

28th February 2009, 22:28

given up on this now.
Fair enough
as far as i can tell h246 hardware decoding is not possibe on ati cards.
Not true, ATI cards have supported h264 decoding a lot longer than NVIDIA. It also does it a little bit better.

The fact that it does not work for you has nothing to do with the capabilities of the cards

Actually ATI cards are better for Compatible files, Nvidia has the ability to decode incompatible files but it has a worse color conversion

its a shame on regular pci slot there is nothing better than the 2400 available. there used to be a nvidia 8500gt on pci slot but cant seem to find any shop selling it at all.

Yeah that's too bad, but you have to admit, in these times its the bus that is severely limiting the videocard.

littleD

28th February 2009, 23:22

Hmm, im also going to recover my old computer, and im waiting for shipping hd 3450 agp right now :) From tutorial found on the net:
For ATI users, those who has the AGP cards (HD 2xxxx and HD 3xxxx) and has problems playing videos in DXVA mode, downgrade to Catalyst 8.5 hotfix
Maybe thats the way? Or change to any older version?
When i get my card, im gonna play with dxva as well:devil:

Cyber-Mav

1st March 2009, 14:15

actually tetsuo55 i dont give up on this yet, you have continued to support me on this problem so its not right for me to just giveup just now, that and the cards cost me 35 quid so want to try and get the most from it and the old machine.

first step i guess is to me to get a screenshot from the other pc with the 2400 in it from dxvachecker so the basics are covered first before we jump into the deep end. i will post again when i reconnect up the other pc and get the screenshot from it.

Cyber-Mav

1st March 2009, 16:40

as mentioned before here are the dxva checker screenshots.

http://lbsshq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pq6vzpvYUWSpvuoDAbU4gNg9gLQpsFyXEKiDdR-80shJduj9X4tUx55jH3pREtYLYaRczg1ds0fSNDFHLysVdng/dxva1.PNG

http://lbsshq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pPyHOYNWcoC1s1uRtqLH5zDNa2o3Oc0pRnPdpXdFg9B_0qDF8iCf711U2DOWRWCAjlQKbY2bLmh8lJAAkwF_Caw/dxva2.PNG

as you can see there is no mention of h264, BUT, when i ran dxva checker in vista there was a h264 entry saying dxva2 or something.

tetsuo55

1st March 2009, 18:44

then the next step is to try 8.5 AGP hotfix

Cyber-Mav

1st March 2009, 21:16

8.5 agp hotfix???

odd this is a pci card and with 9.2 NON hotfixed drivers all games i put on the pc work perfectly fine.

either way if you say so i will download the 8.5 hotfix and give it a try.

Cyber-Mav

1st March 2009, 21:40

no good, i just tried the 8.5 hotfix and the 8.4 drivers too but there is no h264 acceleration available on this card. false advertising from ati i guess. the ModeH264_VLD_NoFGT line is not shown by dxva checker so dxva not gonna wotk for h264. altough the ModeH264_VLD_NoFGT was shown by dxva checker in vista and windows 7 and mpchc did try to run the video with dxva enabled but all i got was a black video which would not play and was stuck in the stop position.

thats the price you pay for cheapskating on ati cards. should have just forked over the 65 quid for a pci 8500gt.

tetsuo55

1st March 2009, 22:51

Okay.

I think we have reached the point where we can clearly say this is a bug/problem.

You should request a support ticket with the company that made that pci videocard.
Tell them that the DXVA portion of the card is not working in WinXP eventhough it says on the box that it should.

Add all the drivers you tried and the fact that it does not show in DXVAchecker, that in vista the h264 option is visable but results in a black screen

Tell them you tried with MPC-HC and powerdvd and that you tried a bunch of driver versions.

Do the same directly with ATI

Cyber-Mav

1st March 2009, 22:57

card was made by powercolour, somehow i doubt this will ever be resolved, since i think its just another ati problem which the only fix for it would be to get an nvidia card.
oh well, a lesson learnt the hard way i guess.

littleD

2nd March 2009, 08:32

Hmmm.. thats weird. But i still advise u to check even older drivers 8.1 or 7.12. Do you test dxva capable video?
And this card should probably need hacks to work with dxva. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=772373&page=43

Cyber-Mav

2nd March 2009, 14:31

cant understand why id have to go back to such an old driver which has problems with some games. its always been driver issues with ati hence why i tend to stay clear of thier cards. somehow i doubt dxva will ever work on this card for me. so its now become a waste of time even trying to make it work.

tetsuo55

6th March 2009, 18:50

I discovered some new stuff

You asked this before, but the 9.2 AGP hotfix is a newer build than 9.2 itself, its somewhere between 9.2 and 9.3 and fixes a bug related to DXVA

try these steps:
-Remove all previous ati drivers
-Reboot into safe mode and run Driver sweeper
-Reboot into regular windows and install 9.2 AGP Hotfix
-Apply DeusEx patches
-Reboot
-Apply DeusEx patches

Now the final step, and this is the the one that will fix it.
-Change your display to 1920x1080@50 or lower refresh rate.
-Lower resolutions can stay at 60hz
-Anything below 60hz will work: 50,30,25,24

Cyber-Mav

8th March 2009, 00:47

only rez i used is 1280x1024. i dont think PCI cards can do this h264 malarky. either way ati cards are limited in what they can decode, with nvidia you just feed it the video and it decodes it in hardware with no questions asked.

too much problems with ati, wont ever bother with them again.

carlo_0000

15th March 2009, 22:56

tetsuo55

15th March 2009, 23:02

I have a non SSE pc myself

carlo_0000

25th March 2009, 00:50

ok nice , all work now on my mediacenter

1080i is now deinterlaced

i tested arcsoft codec

on 1080i

in begin gpu was loaded @ 99% and video was laging

so i change in ccc
uncheck automatic deinterlacing (vector adaptative is to hard for the 2400pro) so i chose adaptative to movements

gpu is now 35%

looney

2nd June 2009, 12:24

I have pretty same problem with my HD3870 Catalyst 9.3 WinXP (not ot mention 8.12 drivers which froze pc) and they sell us HD acceleration

http://imageshack.dk/imagesfree/CDU41291.png

The weirdest thing is that during play 720p files there's gpu acceleration in MPC HomeCinema and HD3870 jumps up to not needed 780MHz core clock (300MHz does the same just fine) but with any 1080p there's no acceleration at all. And with these files with same options in MPC (which thankfully shares regs with MPC-HC) are played with 70% inpact on CPU while in MPC-HC (1.2.908.0) they use 95% and even some video lag occurs after few minutes of play.

MPC-HC shows picture flickering when player window is been moved while UVD is active (no matter how high core runs).

tetsuo55

2nd June 2009, 12:26

tetsuo55

2nd June 2009, 15:13

Well at least you had some progress

Try the latest build of MPC-HC here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1292805#post1292805

I also suggest updating to Catalyst 9.5 (after cleaning everything with "driver sweeper" available # www.guru3d.com)

After that you can run the registry patches available here:

http://home.comcast.net/~exdeus/ati-hd2x00/

looney

2nd June 2009, 15:14

Thanks, this link should be a sticky in MPC-HC thread. I notice this notes before in MPC-HC thread but still i can't believe that we need all that install before possibly enjoy in hardware acceleration of MPC-HC.

I have VC2005 redis but not SP1. Why VC2005 redis isn't removed when i install update do i need both of them in the future?
before restart --- No 1080p acceleration, after restart --- still no acc.
Installed VC2008SP1
after restart --- still no acc
I didn't have installed dotnetfx3.5sp1 but plain old 2.0 but still all mention VCredis while dotnet itself is VS2005/2008 redistributable so it should contain all above VC2005/2008 cpp redistributables in my opinion.
Restart --- No 1080p acceleration.
Had dx9.0c Nov2008 but my card is whole year older than that. Installed latest Mar2009 redistribution.
before restart --- No 1080p acc, after restart --- still no acc but i my hardware get new functionality by DXVAchecker and i get audio hissing pops during MPC-HC playback when stream hits 100% CPU usage.

http://imageshack.dk/imagesfree/4sf50488.png

But still why it did accelerate 720 streams before all my updates and 1080 didn't and still isn't after all recent updates VC2008 and latest netfx35 instead old 20

Weird thing is that also vc1 files doesn't get any acceleration by RV670 UVD

8 streams are ref=3 b-pyramid=0, while 2 have bpyramid ref=4 and ref=5. And from here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1078122#post1078122 (step1) i supposedly conclude these latest one ref=5 doesn't comply with L4.1. I must add i'm little confused with note3 and b-pyramid. A year or more back i learn that -b-ref should be 1 frame less than -ref in x264 is this what it's meant by that "if b-pyramid=1 ref-1", and now if i get right from step1 L4.1 1920x1080 max ref=4 b-ref=3 with b-pyramid=1

Playing around a little more i found out "Video Acceleration Settings". I presume that these are registry tweaks. Is there a FAQ about them and does these tweaks really work or they are just for specific hardware? I saw UVA_H264_(R600) is this related to UVA (pre-UVD of R600 that was newer functional??) or it might help on RV670 maybe? There are really lot of them just to play hit or miss with them. Is it smart to play with it and could we damage hardware or just waste enormous time reinstalling OS.

http://imageshack.dk/imagesfree/2oF50455.png

I played around with that VForceH264/VForceVC1 with value "1" and nothing really improved.

And real buggy thing i noticed why are fgs MPC-HC shortcuts for Navigation->Previous/Next moved from plain good PgUp/PgDown to cumbersome Alt+PgUp/Alt+PgDown

tetsuo55

2nd June 2009, 15:18

You seem to have deleted your post, my reply is above yours.

looney

2nd June 2009, 15:41

I'm sorry for that. You're been too fast responding.

I somehow think these HD tweaks would actually work before all that updates i was going thru and didn't solve anything. :thanks: (And that are prerrogative for MPC-HC. What a programmers) I now know why my on fly changes didnt changed anything. It's FOR creating .vbs script and then run it just changing would mean anything without that save button :rolleyes: They should PUT THAT IN BOLD and not to find out on tweaks page.

Anyway i'm now bugged is there a wa to controll all that vibrance, denois, detail aso from ATI Tray Tools. Cause i'm not going to run that script so that i could be forced to install CCC once again (even when i know it only needs dotnetfx20 to run :mrgreen:) and ATT is last 2yrs in beta and theres no official download for that latest ATT 1.6.9.1386 mentioned on wikipedia with referenc only to official Guru3D page which still links downloads only to latest stable.

So before i run .vbs is there a way of controlling all that from ATT or MPC-HC directly. Or it's just made to be annoyance if we dont have CCC installed? (like that reinvented Alt+PgUp/PgDown)

__EDIT__
About DriverSweeper. It was actually not needed for ATi drivers up to 2006 including. But i actually done that cleaning before i asked around and because 8.12 was problematic 8.12->DS->9.3->DS->9.3. And as for the latest 9.5 goes it seems infavourable by many forums so i'll try 9.4-9.2-9.5 all around 9.4 willprobablybe final but i'll hope it's all in twaks that you conveniently forget to mention and even dxvachecker thread doesent have handling manual for them so "newbie user" like me would logically suppose it could be done on the fly with checking-unchecking and Save-Load button is here for saving settings for migration or share ;)

tetsuo55

2nd June 2009, 15:50

The updates improve little things here and there, the new features available in DXVA checker prove this.

The VBS changes settings, that are hidden from the ati user interface, and these settings are already the best ones, so you don't have to think about enabled/disabled or exact value.

Did you update to 9.5 already? if i remember correctly 9.3 broke DXVA decoder on some systems
__EDIT__
About DriverSweeper. It was actually not needed for ATi drivers up to 2006 including. But i actually done that cleaning before i asked around and because 8.12 was problematic 8.12->DS->9.3->DS->9.3. And as for the latest 9.5 goes it seems infavourable by many forums so i'll try 9.4-9.2-9.5 all around 9.4 willprobablybe final but i'll hope it's all in twaks that you conveniently forget to mention and even dxvachecker thread doesent have handling manual for them so "newbie user" like me would logically suppose it could be done on the fly with checking-unchecking and Save-Load button is here for saving settings for migration or share ;)Those problems you heard about probably will not affect you ( and to be honest they are not problems, ATI fixed a lot of bugs in the base code which causes some features to actually work (they did not work before) and that causes some FPS drop in some games.))

9.5 Fixes so many things with DXVA i recommend everyone who cares about DXVA more than gaming FPS to install it.

Sharktooth

3rd June 2009, 01:34

nope. MPC-HC has a modified ffmpeg decoder that supports DXVA. FFDShow doesnt support it.

looney

3rd June 2009, 01:37

9.5 Fixes so many things with DXVA i recommend everyone who cares about DXVA more than gaming FPS to install it.

I just finished up my jerking around with all that pita driver reinstallment 9.3-9.4-9.5-9.2-goodold8.10-8.8. Well all that doesn't help at all. I even patched HD_reg_tweaks @9.5 didn't help. And drivers still had pretty good uninstall from CP->add remove programs, but still i did DriverSweeper test with 9.2-9.5 after previously uninstalling drivers regular way. Same thing

So is there recapitulating of that thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=132924) cause all that streams use ref=3 bframe=3 bpyramids=0. Found out one ref=4 bf=3 bp=1 that works, and ref=5 bf=3 bp=0 obviously cant be dxva'd. I tested 720p L4.0 ref=4 bf=3 bp=1, 720p L4.1 ref=5 bf=3 bp=1 and no dxva also but other stream on the same settings (720p L4.1 ref=5 bf=3 bp=1) has dxva in mpc-hc.

--edit--
Only common thing for both (1080p,720p) L4.1 that works is that they were muxed with mkvmerge 2.8.0 (standard libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1) and some L3.1 that works were muxed w/ mkvmerge 2.4.1. So could it be that mpc-hc's adapted dxva ffmpeg has problems with stream itself and not with x264 settings.
--/edit--

So from what they paste in that thread concluded that ref should exceed 3 @1080p or is something improved (what x264 build in the last year?) What's a proper procedure for all 1080p/720p cause there's allot inconsistencies as you see from my experience ref=3 bp OFF doesn't work ref=4 bp ON works?

Anyway i just discover why is there much more usage on HD streams in MPC-HD ... it uses, less optimised than CodeAVC, built-in ffmpeg plugin so i'd probably get the same efficiency just by installing 3rd party ffdshow-clsid build and playing it back with good old Gabest's MPC 6490?

Found out that built-in MPC-HD ffmpeg warps 32-48 px on the bottom in Overlay mode and in VMR9 (windowed) additional to that there's huge slowdown to ~15fps while VMR7 just jupms down to default system renderer aka.Overlay for WinXP (no VMR7 for DX90 based GPUs??) with still same warp effect. Seems like something i get when messing with Resize and implying more pixels to be resized than input stream had. Just a hint if anyone is interested in check what they messed up with code (ffdshow/ffmpeg i presume).

--edit--
IMPC-HC shows picture flickering when player window is been moved while UVD is active (no matter how high core runs).

I reffered to UVD/DXVA playback of x264 file, that i later found out ain't decompressed with CoreAVC anymore, but with mpc-hc adapted ffmpeg as Sharktooth said. So that flickering is actually buggy feature that's been around since xvid acceleration by ffdshow and believe that with 220M source trunk they could expunge all that unnececary code and remove some of that vital bugs and that warp feature above.
--/edit--

tetsuo55

3rd June 2009, 07:31

looney

4th June 2009, 15:07

I think it's best if you post a sample of what you are trying to play.

Also the bugs mentioned have been fixed a very long time ago, are you sure you are using the latest SVN build i linked to?

You have to use VMR9 renderless on XP

What bug do you referring to? Yes, as i stated in my first post i use 1.2.908 and sf.com offers that as the latest build for download.

That (http://aleksoid.tosei.ru/mplayerc_1143_test.7z) svn-test build can't be downloaded.

tetsuo55

4th June 2009, 15:13

You can download from my signature

The build you are using is very old, we are working towards a new stable build.

looney

19th June 2009, 02:03

I download 1137 while it was actual still didn't play with 1161 (saw some broken mov settings not that it would matter). Anyway what's still naggong me is that wen i choose VMR9 (win/rel) it always came up with colorbanding (beyond great, more vivid colors) and options under[RenderSettings]->OutputRange] are on 0-255 and grayed also all beneath suboptions are grayed except [Reset]. UVD works just like VMR7 (win) (that auto sets it to Overlay) WinXP. Is this grayed out thing normal and what's up with it?

I saw that i could play with EVR under WinXP with .Net3 installed and found out that UVD doesn't came up into action so poor CPU must do all the job. and nothing looks better than VMR9 (while i hoped it will)

And thing about Matroska and VSfilter built in mpc how i can disable that built-in filters so that external VS carries out my subtitle settings in renderless mode and not to have two same subs overlapping (with this embedded one i cant even control what lang i want to switch)

--edit

Just to add if i choose EVR Custom with D3D Fullscreen option checked i get UVD to work but only in fullscreen that cant be even Alt-tabbed or Alt-Escaped (nasty unusefullness)
--/edit

--edit2
Wrong it's not UVD it's just 3Dmode taking on GPU frequecy

--edit3
VMR7 (rel) also looks nastyas VMR9/EVR just dont use UVD unlike VMR7 (win)