Burning SD Video on Blu-Ray discs?

[Disco Makberto]

Hi, there!

I'd like to ask you, is there any software that allows burning SD (Standard Definition) Video on Blu-Ray discs? All softwares I have been able to find only burn HD (High Definition) Video on Blu-Ray discs.

Please, I am not trying to discuss here whether SD on Blu-Ray discs is a good idea or not. I am just asking a technical question.

Cheers,

Carlos Albert
D-Makberto

[setarip_old]

Hi!

Although I have no specific knowledge of this, I've got to believe that ANY software that's capable of burning BluRay media is capable of burning SD video as "data"...

BTW _ Despite what you've stated, it's still so tempting to ask, "But why?"

[um3k]

Perhaps to have an entire season of a TV show on a single disc? There's other uses as well, I'm sure, but that's the first one that comes to mind for me.

[setarip_old]

@um3k

I'd suggest to you that, at the present comparative costs, it makes far more sense to burn a few standard DVDs than to burn one piece of BluRay media...

[Disco Makberto]

Hi! UM3K is right: the only advantage is capacity, and just capacity. Besides, Blu-Ray specifications allow for SD also, but without HD, the only advantage is, again, capacity.

So, let's say, I can record some SD DVD's onto a SD BD, and save some space. Or I can record many SD TV shows onto a SD BD. Likewise, I can record many MTV or alike SD videoclips onto a SD BD.

But again, I don't want to discuss the merit or lack of merit of a SD BD.

Which softwares do you advise to burn SD on a BD (Blu-Ray Disc)?

Carlos Albert
D-Mak

[Disco Makberto]

Setarip_Old,

Of course, from an economic viewpoint, a few standard DVD's is cheaper than a BD disc. However, from a space-saving point of view, BD discs make sense. I don't know the exact math, and I would interested in knowing, but I think that one SD BD can hold around 6 or perhaps 7 SD DVD's.

Carlos Albert
D-Mak

[setarip_old]

Presently, it looks like the typical price for a write-once SD (25GB, NOT Gb) Blu-ray disc is approximately $15US. Such a disc would be capable of holding 5+ (less than 6) full standard DVDs (4.7GB each, NOT Gb). The 5 DVD-5s (single layer) would cost a total of approximately $1.50US.

Of course, if one of your standard DVD burns fail, you've lost about 30 cents, whereas, if one of your Blu-ray disc burns fail, you will have lost about $15!

Historically, with successful hardware and recordable media releases, the price of media drops in drastic increments as the related products increase in both visibility and market share - and, therefore, production is ramped up and the economies of scale kick in, to the benefit of we, the end users.

It wasn't all that long ago (perhaps 2 years) that one piece of D/L standard DVD burnable media sold for $12US, versus approximately $1.25US today ;>}

[Disco Makberto]

Good points, Setarip_Old! It might be worth waiting for the BD discs to drop in price. But I think I can take all risks now. You see, I don't expect to record many BD discs, for I still intend to keep some DVD (or DVDR) media, but not in all cases, of course. For instance, I can name "The Beatles Anthology". If I recall correctly, this was released on 10 DVD's. In this case, I prefer to have 1 50GB BD disc (or 2 25GB BD discs at the most) as opposed to 10 DVD's. But I still haven't found a software that can help me in this regard.

Until soon,

Carlos Albert
D-Mak

[Video Dude]

SD video on BD:
http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1115715&postcount=29

SD is valid according to the spec. Did you try tsMuxeR to generate a Blu Ray structure with SD streams? Never tried it myself yet.

[setarip_old]

@VideoDude

Yes, SD is valid but the question being asked is, can MULTIPLE SD DVDs be played back from one Blu-ray disc?

[Disco Makberto]

Hello again, Setarip_Old!

I don't really understand your question, but perhaps this scenario can help smooth things out a little bit. Let's assume that I want to have 3 SD DVD's on 1 SD BD. The first SD DVD has 3 chapters, the second has 4 chapters, and the third has 5 chapters. Once I combined them into one SD BD, the chapters will be 12 (and not separate 1 to 3, 1 to 4, and 1 to 5).

About the menu, I am not sure if it can be re-constructed based on the original, or if it has to be created from scratch.

One way or another, analyzing menus possibilities is something I prefer to deal with later. This is because I have some promo DVD videoclips without menus that I would like to combine into 1 SD BD disc. Obviouly, the resulting SD BD will have no menus as well.

Carlos Albert
D-Mak

[Video Dude]

Yes, SD is valid but the question being asked is, can MULTIPLE SD DVDs be played back from one Blu-ray disc?
Yes, but you need to demux all the streams and re-author them into one BluRay structure.




The link I posted above shows how to check if the dvd video stream is valid. tsMuxeR can create a BluRay disc (movie only) to be played on a standalone.

[Disco Makberto]

Video Dude,

When you say "re-author", do you mean "re-author" as in losing quality?

Carlos Albert
D-Mak

[Eric69]

Scenarist or Blu Print are the only tools I know of that will accept a 720 x 480 stream and build a disc.

[setarip_old]

@Disco Makberto

Sorry, I misinterpreted what you want to do. I understood you to mean you wanted to put, as SEPARATELY ADDRESSABLE items (chapters "1 to 3, 1 to 4, and 1 to 5), multiple DVDs with menus for each, on one Blu-ray disc...

[Disco Makberto]

Ah, okay! Now I see, Setarip_Old.

Carlos Albert "D-Mak"

[Disco Makberto]

Eric69,

I appreciate your advice, but Scenarist and Blu-Print are way, way out of my budget.

While we are at it, I can inform that DVDit Pro HD accepts SD video, but it converts it to HD prior to burning a BD disc. My intention is to burn SD on a BD disc and not HD on a BD disc.

Carlos Albert
Disco-Mak

[mmace]

Nero and Adobe Encore work fine for me (I recently made a disc of home movies, from cine film and old DV stuff in SD to recent stuff filmed in HD)

[Eric69]

I appreciate your advice, but Scenarist and Blu-Print are way, way out of my budget.

While we are at it, I can inform that DVDit Pro HD accepts SD video, but it converts it to HD prior to burning a BD disc. My intention is to burn SD on a BD disc and not HD on a BD disc.

Yeah...thats pretty much the point of my post. :) Scenarist and BP are your only options.

[Disco Makberto]

MMMace,

You recorded your final SD product on a BD disc, right? If so, then I think we are approaching a solution.

Let me see what I can find out about the softwares you are mentioning. I will post back with more comments.

Thank you for your support!

Carlos Albert "D-M"

[Disco Makberto]

Eric69,

Thumbs up!

CAL
DM

[mmace]

MMMace,

You recorded your final SD product on a BD disc, right? If so, then I think we are approaching a solution.

Let me see what I can find out about the softwares you are mentioning. I will post back with more comments.

Thank you for your support!

Carlos Albert "D-M"yes, I put SD 4:3, SD 16:9 and HD 1080p onto a Blu-ray Disc as a BDMV (with menu etc) which works on Blu-ray players

the easiest one to use is Nero (with HD-DVD/Blu-ray Plug in)

[Disco Makberto]

MMace,

Good to hear from you.

Please let me know, does Nero allows for importing of a menu prior to re-authoring so as to use a pre-existing menu? Also, which flavour of Nero are you talking about? You know, Adobe Encore allows for importing of a menu.

Carlos Albert
Disco Mak

P.S.: SD 4:3 on Blu-Ray disc is what I am after! (Playable on standalone devices, I must add).

[Disco Makberto]

MMace and bunch,

Apparently, "Nero 8" (the latest as of May 2008) cannot import pre-existing DVD menus. By contrast, "Adobe Encore CS3" (the latest as of May 2008) can import pre-existing DVD menus. Hence, if what one wants to do is just to sort of "mirroring" a SD DVD into a SD BD, I think that "Adobe Encore CS3" is the way to go. Please note that some work needs to be done with the menu, like re-connecting stuff and alike, so this is not a "1-to-1" solution. However, in the end, the resulting SD BD disc will be pretty much the same as the original SD DVD.

On a related note, adding more than 1 SD DVD into the SD BD would then be a matter of adding (or modifying) some buttons and stuff in the original (already imported) menu on "Adobe Encore CS3".

It is encoraging to know that as of now there is at least a way to do this "mirroring" of SD DVD into a BD DVD. This leads me to think that, at least technically, it would be possible to create a software with a "1-to-1" solution....but "Adobe Encore CS3" is a big step.

In closing, please let me know your comments as I hope to be correct in my assumptions.

Last but not least, big thanks to MMace for bringing to our attention the sotwares that work with SD on BD discs.

Carlos Albert
Disco Mak