tsmuxer + AVCHD ME on External HD doesn't work for me

[survivant001]

I hava a bluray output generated with tsmuxer. I used AVCHDME to rename the structure.

I put BDMV and CERTIFICATE in the root on my external hd (usb) and when I plug the hard disk on the PS3, it not detected as AVCHD :(

when I click on the device, the PS3 show me the content in the VIDEOS folder.

What I did wrong ?

ps.. the movie and audio are compatible with the ps3.. is not that the problem.

[B4tm4n]

Put BDMV and CERTIFICATE in a folder named AVCHD in the root of your drive.

[survivant001]

thanks. I just try that. The ps3 start in bluray player mode.. but I have no video and audio. Look like a blank disc.



I try this : browse the AVCHD in the PS3, and if I select the stream manually it play OK. (video+audio).

What I did to generate the AVCHD is : tsmuxer 1.8.4 (split file 4gig) after that AVCDHME.exe .

maybe there is a bug in tsmuxer when splitting the files ?

[tyee]

I tried this last night and it works, except my movie only had trueHD english audio so I had to select that for tsmuxer. When tsmuxer finished I renamed the files to 3 letter extension then copied to USB HDD into AVCHD folder. Video playback was fine but there was no audio. Can anyone confirm that trueHD will/will not playback from USB HDD with AVCHD structure. I know DTS-HD MA will according to a few guys on this forum, so either the PS3 does not support trueHD from HDD or there is a bug in tsmuxer.

[survivant001]

@tyee

did you use the split option in tsmuxer ?

[gav1577]

Tried this ?

.index.bdmv -> INDEX.BDM
.MovieObject.bdmv -> MOVIEOBJ.BDM
.mpls -> *.MPL
.clpi -> *.CPI
.m2ts->*.MTS

[tyee]

Yes, I did use the split option and I did rename the files to 3 letter extension but still no luck at playing trueHD.

[survivant001]

for TrueHD I think you need another step. Look into the latest post in the tsmuxer thread. I think they talk about it and there is a software for that.

I try with a new video.. and it's still doesn't start.

here what I put on my usb key.


+---AVCHD
+---BDMV
¦ ¦ INDEX.BDM
¦ ¦ MOVIEOBJ.BDM
¦ ¦
¦ +---AUXDATA
¦ +---BACKUP
¦ ¦ ¦ INDEX.BDM
¦ ¦ ¦ MOVIEOBJ.BDM
¦ ¦ ¦
¦ ¦ +---BDJO
¦ ¦ +---CLIPINF
¦ ¦ ¦ 00001.CPI
¦ ¦ ¦ 00002.CPI
¦ ¦ ¦
¦ ¦ +---PLAYLIST
¦ ¦ 00000.MPL
¦ ¦
¦ +---BDJO
¦ +---CLIPINF
¦ ¦ 00001.CPI
¦ ¦ 00002.CPI
¦ ¦
¦ +---JAR
¦ +---META
¦ +---PLAYLIST
¦ ¦ 00000.MPL
¦ ¦
¦ +---STREAM
¦ 00001.MTS
¦ 00002.MTS
¦
+---CERTIFICATE
+---BACKUP

[B4tm4n]

Seems to be right, the only other thing I can think of is are you running the latest firmware ?

[idbirch2]

According to your diagram, you still haven't put the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders inside the AVCHD folder. Or is the diagram wrong?

[B4tm4n]

According to your diagram, you still haven't put the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders inside the AVCHD folder. Or is the diagram wrong?

I didn't notice that.

[survivant001]

I didn't notice that.

Yes they are in the folder AVCHD.. I move them on my computer just to insolate the structure.. maybe I put them in the same folder.. but it's not the case on my usb drive.


Yep I'm running the latest firmware. and if I play the file manually (browse to the m2t) it will playiin the XBM.

I suppose the next step is to burn it on a dvd-r and check if it works

[B4tm4n]

Yes they are in the folder AVCHD.. I move them on my computer just to insolate the structure.. maybe I put them in the same folder.. but it's not the case on my usb drive.


Yep I'm running the latest firmware. and if I play the file manually (browse to the m2t) it will playiin the XBM.

I suppose the next step is to burn it on a dvd-r and check if it works

I've packaged a 66MB archive that I've tested and it plays as an AVCHD from a USB Flash drive.

Survivant001 can you test it and see if it works on your setup.

http://www.divshare.com/download/4614116-4da

[survivant001]

@B4tm4n

thanks I'll try that tonight.

OK.. your files works perfectly.

so what I try is to replace your movie by mine and it almost works.. the player started in 1080p, 1 sec later, switch to 720p, 0.5s later switch to 480p and it works.. that's wierd.

I try with my movie in 2 parts.. never started. So I'll try to burn it tonight.. and see if it work like that

[survivant001]

I try with a new movie 1080p, split in 2 part with 2 audio track. The results are specials. I copied it in AVCHD on my external HD. When I play it, the movie astart with audio.. I can switch audio.. everything perfect.. except a little detail.. instead of having black borders at the top and bottom, I have I big green bar a the bottom and the movie is in top of the screen.

if I play the movie in XBM by selecting the stream, the movie is perfect.. but I can't swtich audio..

[tyee]

Hi guys
I found a funny qwerk, when I make the BR stucture and copy it to the AVCHD folder of my USB HDD, then play it back, the PS3 switches resolution to 720p, which is the encoded movie resolution. I have set the PS3 to output 1080i resolution, in it's setup, which it stays at for BR discs. Now when I rename the movie files to the normal 4 letter extension (from .mts to .m2ts) and move them to the VIDEO folder on the same USB HDD, then play it back, the PS3 stays at 1080i resolution! It looks like when it thinks it is detecting a real disk (AVCHD folder) it switches to that disc's resolution,no matter what you set the output for??

Is this normal??

[B4tm4n]

I try with a new movie 1080p, split in 2 part with 2 audio track. The results are specials. I copied it in AVCHD on my external HD. When I play it, the movie astart with audio.. I can switch audio.. everything perfect.. except a little detail.. instead of having black borders at the top and bottom, I have I big green bar a the bottom and the movie is in top of the screen.

if I play the movie in XBM by selecting the stream, the movie is perfect.. but I can't swtich audio..

If you use cropped videos the cropped part will be green, you have to use full (1920x1080, 1280x720) resolution videos.

[survivant001]

If you use cropped videos the cropped part will be green, you have to use full (1920x1080, 1280x720) resolution videos.

yep It's what I think. THe movie are OK in XMB even if there are not fully 1080p, but in the player it don'T fill the video to fit 1080p

here the dimensions :
Width : 1920 pixels
Height : 800 pixels

so if I want to burn it later, I will have to add borders, if it's only to watch.. I'll split it, and watch it in 2 parts.. no choice. but down I understand why my videos weren't working correctly.

[jagaskywalker]

I am a little bit lost in this thread... is it possible to play TrueHD within AVCHD in HDD ?

Anybody found a way to remove the "gaps" when passing from one 4 Gb (FAT32 compliant) chunk to the next ?

THXs

[Digi]

I am a little bit lost in this thread... is it possible to play TrueHD within AVCHD in HDD ?

Anybody found a way to remove the "gaps" when passing from one 4 Gb (FAT32 compliant) chunk to the next ?

THXs

Yes you can play TrueHD in AVCHD folder you have to use TSmuxer to get you 4gb files then TSRemux to do each individual file as Blu Ray, And thats the bug bear because you have to play each individual file seperately and you cannot use the .mpls file from TSmuxer because it does not work.

If we had a Split/Cut function in TSRemux then all the problems would be solved.:)

[survivant001]

Yes you can play TrueHD in AVCHD folder you have to use TSmuxer to get you 4gb files then TSRemux to do each individual file as Blu Ray, And thats the bug bear because you have to play each individual file seperately and you cannot use the .mpls file from TSmuxer because it does not work.

If we had a Split/Cut function in TSRemux then all the problems would be solved.:)

#1 - why use tsmuxer and tsremux ?

I suppose trueHD are not supported in tsmuxer right ?

I don't use tsremux since tsmuxer is out...

[Digi]

#1 - why use tsmuxer and tsremux ?

I suppose trueHD are not supported in tsmuxer right ?

I don't use tsremux since tsmuxer is out...


1. TSmuxer lets you split the files into 4gb chunks, If you want to burn one of these chunks to disc from TSmuxer in blu ray structure it works on PS3 100% but the same chunk will not work from external hard drive inside AVCHD folder and before you ask i dont know why.


True HD is supported in TSmuxer but only when you choose output as Blu ray.

[survivant001]

works on PS3 100% but the same chunk will not work from external hard drive inside AVCHD folder and before you ask i dont know why.

I had the same problem, but you need AVCHDME.exe that will rename the output of tsmuxer into valid AVCHD.

try that.

[Digi]

I had the same problem, but you need AVCHDME.exe that will rename the output of tsmuxer into valid AVCHD.

try that.


Thanks i already know that as i have been watching loads of blu rays from an external hard drive with DTS-HD MA converted and split by TSmuxer.

The problem is if you try the same with a file that has TrueHD for audio and you wish to keep that audio the resulting split file will not play from an external hard drive into the PS3 you get Video no problem what you do not get is TrueHD audio it is not there.

I believe it is how TSmuxer reacts with the TrueHD audio stream, Because if you do the same with TSRemuxer the file plays with TrueHD audio from hard drive, The problem is TSRemuxer has no file split option and so you cannot fit the resulting 20+gb file on a fat32 PS3 readable hard drive.

Until this is solved i now use eac3to and Pcm2Tsmu to create a Lossless PCM track from the TrueHD track and use TSmuxer to combine them both for playback from an external hard drive into the PS3.

[jagaskywalker]

Thank you Digi for the feedback...

Do you still have those annoying breaks when passing from one file to the next ? (when playing AVCHD in the hard disk)

THX

[shv]

It is a nice feature that every audio and video format which is supported on Blue Ray can also be played from hard disk. It tooks not longer to use tsMuxeR to create the Blue Ray structure with the video splitted into 4GB chunks than a normal copy which means it is very fast. But the current problem is that the switch between two chunks is not seamless and about 3s of the movie will get lost. I was told that video files coming from HD camcorder are played seamlessly. So possibly it is a problem of tsMuxeR but I have not found another way to create the necessary Blue Ray structure.

Here you can find a tutorial: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/686998#4179444

[tyee]

I have the same problem. I have a question. I wonder if somehow someone had the utility that formats the PS3 internal hard drive (sony proprietory), and used it on an external drive, then we connected that drive via USB to the PS3 and see if could be read?

Well we can try it, why not install a new HD in the PS3, have it format it, then remove it reinstall the old one,and then install this new formatted one in an external case and connect via USB. This method would allow greater than 4GB file size limit.

I wonder ........hmmm.

[n0mag!c]

Well we can try it, why not install a new HD in the PS3, have it format it, then remove it reinstall the old one,and then install this new formatted one in an external case and connect via USB.
I tried this. PS3 rejects to recognize formatted hdd in external case connected via USB.

[shv]

I tried this. PS3 rejects to recognize formatted hdd in external case connected via USB.

At first you should try if the Fat32 harddisk is recognized from the PS3. You can create some folders in the root directory in UPPER CASE letters:

VIDEO
PICTURE
SOUND

Afterwards you should put media into the folders possibly where you know that they work e.g. from CD or DVD media, internal harddisk or memory card. Now you could check if the drive is recognized from the PS3.

If you have done this you could put a blue ray strucure generated with tsMuxeR into the folder AVCHD or PRIVATE/AVCHD and use the tool AVCHD from this folder.

[fico99]

At first you should try if the Fat32 harddisk is recognized from the PS3. You can create some folders in the root directory in UPPER CASE letters:

VIDEO
PICTURE
SOUND

Afterwards you should put media into the folders possibly where you know that they work e.g. from CD or DVD media, internal harddisk or memory card. Now you could check if the drive is recognized from the PS3.

If you have done this you could put a blue ray strucure generated with tsMuxeR into the folder AVCHD or PRIVATE/AVCHD and use the tool AVCHD from this folder.

Did anyone try this yet?

I have also the annoying problem with the breaks between the different 4GB m2ts files. The last movie I tried had at least 8 seconds of missing video during the file break. Since the file structure of an avchd camcorder plays flawlessly, I hope this gets sorted out very quickly.

Are there any other tools like tsmuxer that we can try out?

[scott1256ca]

The last movie I tried had at least 8 seconds of missing video during the file break. Since the file structure of an avchd camcorder plays flawlessly, I hope this gets sorted out very quickly.

Are there any other tools like tsmuxer that we can try out?
I was also looking to see if there was a way past the pause and came across this thread. So are you saying that a recording from an avchd camcorder can be split into multiple files and played back seamlessly from a FAT32 USB drive?

[tyee]

I thought I read somewhere recently that if we tell tsMuxer to split not at 4GB but at 2GB file size there will be no delay when playing back. Can someone try this!

[kaid]

Seriously, I don't understand the general fascination with storing movies on FAT32 HDs. It's rather ugly with all the 4GB-Splitting etc. A 320GB HD cost me $70, installing it in the PS3 an amazing 2 minutes. So does anybody besides me actually use the rather simple method of network copying movies to internal HD via DLNA/uPNP/FTP/HTTP?

[tyee]

I haven't even connected my PS3 to my network since I bought it! It's so simple to just plug in my ext HDD and select a movie to play. If I used the PS3 internal drive sooner or later I would fill it, just like now my external is nearly full, then what do I do? Store it all on my desktop drive and just copy the movie I want to watch, then erase it? That could be tedious to me. Or I could do what I did this morning and buy an new 500GB drive and install that in the PS3, or just plug it in like I do now. I think I've convinced myself to just keep doing the plug in method.

Of course Sony could fix all this but once again I think money is at the root of why they don't use NTFS. Don't they have to pay microsoft if they use NTFS??

[kaid]

I haven't even connected my PS3 to my network since I bought it! It's so simple to just plug in my ext HDD and select a movie to play. If I used the PS3 internal drive sooner or later I would fill it, just like now my external is nearly full, then what do I do? Store it all on my desktop drive and just copy the movie I want to watch, then erase it? That could be tedious to me. Or I could do what I did this morning and buy an new 500GB drive and install that in the PS3, or just plug it in like I do now. I think I've convinced myself to just keep doing the plug in method.

Yeah, but doesn't all this splitting, the pauses between the chunks (or running every segment individually) annoy you? PS3 has Gigabit Ethernet. This means you could even stream a movie with 1000MBit in realtime (well - let's say 800 minus overhead! ;-) over DLNA/uPnP without even having to copy it! Or just get one of those NAS-HDs with uPnP if you don't want to/can't hook up your computer, these NAS-boxes could very well be the ideal "external HD" everyone is waiting for! ;-) And hey, GBit-EN is faster than twice the speed of USB2, hehe!

Of course Sony could fix all this but once again I think money is at the root of why they don't use NTFS. Don't they have to pay microsoft if they use NTFS??

Most likely, yes. M$ tried to charge the world and their dog (Flash-makers, mp3-player-makers, USB-stick-makers etc) for using FAT already, but the court told them to shove it. They probably won't allow this to happen a second time, so they prolly protected NTFS with shitloads of patents and copyrights in order to force people to license it!

[tyee]

Yeah, all that manual intervention for multimedia playback (XMB) and the loss of a couple of secs during the split is frustrating for sure.

I was considering one of those NAS devices a few months ago but ultimately decided against it after reading peoples' troubles with them but I guess I should take a chance and try one. Do you know if there is any NAS device that I can connect an external SATA HD into it. I have this huge HD case with space for 8 HD's so I'd like to fill it up then have it seen by the PS3. Is there an easier way for the PS3 to see my external case without me having to install some special software, like TVersity????

[kaid]

Or just get one of those NAS-HDs with uPnP if you don't want to/can't hook up your computer, these NAS-boxes could very well be the ideal "external HD" everyone is waiting for! ;-) And hey, GBit-EN is faster than twice the speed of USB2, hehe!


I just googled around a bit for PS3-compatible uPnP NAS-boxes. So far I've only found the QNAP TS-109/209, which are explicitly sold (http://www.qnap.com/PressRelease_detail.asp?pr_id=62) as PS3 and X360 compatible. The 1-drive TS-109 goes for about $150 bare without HD...
Also, the Netgear ReadyNAS series is supposed to be officially compatible. Anyone else know any other compatible ones?

[kaid]

Yeah, all that manual intervention for multimedia playback (XMB) and the loss of a couple of secs during the split is frustrating for sure.

I was considering one of those NAS devices a few months ago but ultimately decided against it after reading peoples' troubles with them but I guess I should take a chance and try one. Do you know if there is any NAS device that I can connect an external SATA HD into it. I have this huge HD case with space for 8 HD's so I'd like to fill it up then have it seen by the PS3. Is there an easier way for the PS3 to see my external case without me having to install some special software, like TVersity????

Well, 8 is a bit much, but the (bare) $150 QNAP TS-109 has 3xUSB2.0 and 1xeSATA for connecting even more HDs! ;-) So knock yourself out, hehe!...

And yes, there's an easier way. If you happen to run an OS that has a HTTP- or FTP server built in, like Linux or MacOS X! ;-) Because download of large files also works over the webbrowser!... Though I have to admit i have not tried downloading *really* large files over the webbrowser, but technically it shouldn't be a problem...

[tyee]

Kaid
Those two you mentioned are just the ones I was trying to decide on! Are these what you're using??

I see Newegg has the WD3200BEVT for $90. Where did you get your deal??

Hey I noticed you made that AVC menu generator script, sounds cool. I'm on windows but like you said if I just have the cygwin1.dll in the folder with your script it should work shouldn't it??

[kaid]

Kaid
Those two you mentioned are just the ones I was trying to decide on! Are these what you're using??

No... not yet! ;-) Akshully the idea to use an uPnP-NAS came to me the first time when i wrote the answer above! ;-D But now I'm seriously considering getting one, the 209 and the ReadyNAS are a bit too large to take along to friends etc. and with 1.5TB HDs now and extra external HDs via USB/eSATA, who really needs such large boxes?


I see Newegg has the WD3200BEVT for $90. Where did you get your deal??

WD? is that a NAS from WD? Dunno if that one's compatible with the PS3, the PS3 uPnP seems to be a bit picky from what I gathered when browsing the web a few minutes, software implementations seem to work fine mostly, but compatible hardware-uPnP-servers seem to be harder to find! I would not recommend getting one unless you have definitive confirmation it works with the PS3!


Hey I noticed you made that AVC menu generator script, sounds cool. I'm on windows but like you said if I just have the cygwin1.dll in the folder with your script it should work shouldn't it??

Yeah, cygwin is supposed to pose as an unix-compatible environment under windows. Therefore it must be able to run bash-scripts and also come with tar. The only thing you might have to install extra is perl, i need this for the binary editing...
I haven't played around with cygwin myself, neither have i tested my script with it i must admit, but I have friends wo use cygwin problems...

Please do let me know if you get it to run with cygwin! ;-)

[tyee]

Kaid
That WD3200BEVT was the 2.5" 320GB HD! You mentioned $70 so I wondered where from, or was that a 3.5" HD you got?

I'm researching now about best PS3 NAS units so it may take a while.

[kaid]

Kaid
That WD3200BEVT was the 2.5" 320GB HD! You mentioned $70 so I wondered where from, or was that a 3.5" HD you got?

That was just a rough guesstimate based on the euro price i paid (63 Euro) and the general tendency of everything being a little cheaper than direct conversion in the USA! ;-)
I did get a Samsung for my PS3, as I have for all my other computers. I love Samsung-HDs (and other stuff), they are cheap, silent, run cool and I've never seen a single one fail! So it's pretty much the opposite of Maxtor (!Maxtor) if you will! ;-D


I'm researching now about best PS3 NAS units so it may take a while.

Please do let me know of your findings!

[B4tm4n]

You should checkout Mediatomb (http://mediatomb.cc/pages/devices) its a PS3 friendly UPnP MediaServer that can be run on NAS devices and routers.
I run it on my Macbook and stream all my movies to the PS3 unless they need subtitles then I use the AVCHD Fat32 method.

[kaid]

You should checkout Mediatomb (http://mediatomb.cc/pages/devices) its a PS3 friendly UPnP MediaServer that can be run on NAS devices and routers.
I run it on my Macbook and stream all my movies to the PS3 unless they need subtitles then I use the AVCHD Fat32 method.

Thanks, that's definately very intriguing! ;-)
I checked out some of the compatible devices, the most affordable ones seem to be the Buffalo LinkStations, though it does not say which model (all of them)...

[B4tm4n]

ARCH TESTED DEVICES
i386 PC, Airlink WMU6500FS
mips2el Maxtor MSS-I, AVM FRITZ!Box Fon WLAN 7270
mips32el Asus WL500g, Syabas Popcorn Hour/A-100, Linksys WRT350N, Emtec Movie Cube R500
armv4 Raidsonic IB-NAS4200-B, Buffalo LinkStation Live, Thecus N4100Plus
ppce300c2 Promise NS4300N, Encore ENNHD-1GS, Conceptronic CH3WNAS

Heres some of the tested devices, don't know if that helps.
http://mediatomb.cc/pages/download#static

[Deepstar]

Hi,
my english is not so good. I hope you can read it.
I have found something interesting about the 3-4 sec. Problem.
The PS3 plays the AVCHD Video without Problem, if on the end of the Files a Scene with Black Picture. Also: you have two Files: 00001.m2ts and 00002.m2ts. On the End of 00001.m2ts must a 1ms Black Scene.
Test it first with 2 Files.
Also, i cut with tsmuxer 1 ms from the beginning of the Film. Save it as m2ts.
There is no picture or Sound. Mix the Film as Blu Ray Structure.
Then append the 1ms.m2ts to the 00001.m2ts File. This is a little bit complicated with more than 2 Files. But will work too.
Mix it again. And replace the 00001.m2ts and 00001.clpi with the first.
Copy it on a USB Stick or Hard Drive and rename it with AVCHDME.
And Play it with the PS3. And the Video will Play fine.
You see a black frame, instead off 3 -4 sek. no Video.

Test it!

Mfg Deepstar

[B4tm4n]

Hi,
my english is not so good. I hope you can read it.
I have found something interesting about the 3-4 sec. Problem.
The PS3 plays the AVCHD Video without Problem, if on the end of the Files a Scene with Black Picture. Also: you have two Files: 00001.m2ts and 00002.m2ts. On the End of 00001.m2ts must a 1ms Black Scene.
Test it first with 2 Files.
Also, i cut with tsmuxer 1 ms from the beginning of the Film. Save it as m2ts.
There is no picture or Sound. Mix the Film as Blu Ray Structure.
Then append the 1ms.m2ts to the 00001.m2ts File. This is a little bit complicated with more than 2 Files. But will work too.
Mix it again. And replace the 00001.m2ts and 00001.clpi with the first.
Copy it on a USB Stick or Hard Drive and rename it with AVCHDME.
And Play it with the PS3. And the Video will Play fine.
You see a black frame, instead off 3 -4 sek. no Video.

Test it!

Mfg Deepstar

Interesting, will try this at some point.
Thanks.

[sp99]

Mediatomb on a Dlink DNS-323 works really well. The 323 has a large modding community with lots of different linux programs available via the fun plug addin.

http://forum.dsmg600.info/f3-DNS-323-General-Discussion.html

The only drawbacks with streaming HD video are the PS3 won't accept VC1 or any HD audio. h264/AVC and DTS/DD 5.1 are ok

[jagaskywalker]

Interesting, will try this at some point.
Thanks.

Did you try it ?

If it solves the problem, is there a way to automatise it ?

I read many people "complaining" about why we cut in chunks, FAT32, etc... the only reason is to have the capability of having multiple audio tracks, subtitles and in some cases advance audio encodings.... as far as I know none of this is available when you stream using TVersity or similar software (and VC1 does not work either).... with this method you can nearly play a bluray on hard disk (without real menus of course)...

Somebody also mentioned that splitting in 2 Gb chunks might be better.. any confirmation ?

Thanks

J

[B4tm4n]

Did you try it ?


No, been pretty busy, Sorry.