Getting undersized output with CCE (3.89GB)

[scoob19]

I know that there are alot of undersized threads out there, but I couldn't quite find one that solved my problem...so I apologize for another undersized post.

First of all, I am using DVD Rebuilder Pro 1.26.6 and CCE SP 2.70. Pretty much all my settings are standard, I do not have bitrate distribution enabled, using Full Backup Mode. I am using anywhere from 3-5 passes, depending on how much it needs compressed.

All the DVDs that I have encoded with DVD Rebuilder have come up with the corect output size (4.35GB). However, this one movie I am encoding came out at 3.89GB, I was using 5 passes. So I ran it again and came up with 3.89GB. I can't figure out what is wrong.

Here is what I do:
- Use DVD Remake to remove all extras, trailers, edit menus, etc..
- Run it through DVD Rebuilder, using Prepare, Encode, Rebuild (not using 1-click mode)

Thats it, and I do the same thing every time and have never had it come out undersized. After I export with DVD Remake, before encoding the size is 6.10GB.

I will include my rebuilder.ini and rebuilder log:

[Options]
Mode=1
OneClick=0
ReduceOpt=0
NoWarn=1
AdditionalOutput=1
LogFile=1
QuEncHQ=1
EncoderMinimized=1
RemoveDTS=1
HC_Quality=1
HC_Matrix=1
SkinVersion=12
AudioDub=0
QuEncodeType=0
iDCT=0
GOP=0
DCPrec=0
MainMatrix=Encoder Default
LowMatrix=Same as Main Feature
VLowMatrix=Same as Main Feature
ExtraMatrix=Same as Main Feature
ProCoder_Quality=4
DVD_Label=ALPHA DOG
DVD_Name=ALPHA DOG.ISO
MovieOnly=0
HalfD1=00
Convert_16_9=00
DisableInterlace=00
ConvertToYUY2=1
CCE=1
Skin=Teck Original
HighMatrix=Same as Main Feature
MedHighMatrix=Same as Main Feature
MedMatrix=Same as Main Feature
RemoveDC=1
NewEditor=1
Backcolor=14215660
HalfExtras=0
Encode_Menus=1
Completed=43
ISO_Output=0
ImgBurnWrite=0
ISO_Delete_Option=0
Decrypter_Write=0
Delete_Image_Option=0
closed_captions=0
[Paths]
QuEnc=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\QuEnc\QuEnc.exe
ReJig=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\ReJig\ReJig.exe
HC=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\HC Encoder\HCbatch.EXE
FFMPEG=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\FFMpeg\ffmpeg.exe
CMDLINE=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\CMDLINE\mencoder.bat
ProCoder=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\EclPro\EclPro.exe
DECOMB=C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Decomb521.dll
NICAUDIO=C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\nicaudio.dll
MPEG2DEC=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\DGDecode.dll
Working=C:\DVD-RB\
Output=C:\DVD-RB\OUTPUT\
CCENew=C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\Cinema Craft Encoder SP\cctsp.exe
Source=C:\DVD DOWNLOADS\OUTPUT_DVDREMAKE\ALPHA DOG\
[Audio]
Selected=10
Remapping=
[Subpictures]
Selected=1000
[Setup]
Languages=1111111111111111111111110111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
sLanguages=1111111111111111111111110111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=25
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=5

[13:33:47] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- DVD-RB v1.26.6
- AVISYNTH 2.5.6.0
- CCE 2.70.2.12 encoder selected.
- Source: ALPHA DOG
- VTS_01: 3,190,415 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 169,439 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 67.7%
- Overall Bitrate : 5,827/4,661Kbs
- Space for Video : 4,021,250KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 5,579/786/4,661 Kbs
[13:39:02] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 6 minutes.
[14:34:37] Phase II ENCODING started
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 1
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[20:02:40] Phase II ENCODING started
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- Extracting STILLS for VTS_01 segment 36
[21:01:44] Phase II ENCODING completed in 59 minutes.
[22:12:34] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_01
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
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- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_02
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_01_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Correcting VTS Sectors...
[22:31:46] Phase III, REBUILD completed in 19 minutes.

Done.

Thanks in advance.

[kumi]

1) Why 1.26.6? Why not 1.27.3?

2) Maybe you should perform your pre-processing in a different program than DVD Remake Pro. I suggest PgcEdit.

[scoob19]

1) Didn't realize there was a newer version, 1.26.6 is just what ive been using. I will get the update.

2) I will try it out, but ive done a bunch of DVDs in Remake Pro and then Rebuilder and have never gotten an undersized output until now.

[blutach]

1) Didn't realize there was a newer version, 1.26.6 is just what ive been using. I will get the update
An email is sent to all VIPs when an update is available - you have missed several. Check your junk mail filter.

Regards

[jdobbs]

Any chance you changed the audio configuration (removed a track) after you'd already run the PREPARE phase? That's a certain way to cause an undersize. I noticed you are running in 3-Click mode.

Another possibility would be encoder saturation on certain segments. This often happens when producing a "movie-only" encode. I have to say, though, that the fact that you are encoding at 67.7% reduction makes that less likely. Interesting that you could remove all extras and trailers but still have to reduce that much, though.

What happens when you don't preprocess?

[scoob19]

An email is sent to all VIPs when an update is available - you have missed several. Check your junk mail filter.

Regards

Thanks, will do.


Any chance you changed the audio configuration (removed a track) after you'd already run the PREPARE phase? That's a certain way to cause an undersize. I noticed you are running in 3-Click mode.

Another possibility would be encoder saturation on certain segments. This often happens when producing a "movie-only" encode. I have to say, though, that the fact that you are encoding at 67.7% reduction makes that less likely. Interesting that you could remove all extras and trailers but still have to reduce that much, though.

What happens when you don't preprocess?

I don't believe that i changed any audio configuration after the prepare phase. I usually remove all audio tracks except English DD5.1 in DVD Remake, so theres nothing else to get rid of. The movie is right around 2 hours long, and after editing the menu, the menu took up only about 25 MB, and the video alone was a little over 6 GB. When I clicked the "Preview/Edit" tab and adjusted the sliders a little, I believe the estimated bitrate was around 4400 or so.

When you say don't preprocess, should I just load the original VIDEO_TS folder into Rebuilder and run the encode?

[scoob19]

actually i was slightly off on the numbers/bitrate, but here is an image of the preview/edit window before encoding:

http://www.mlbcleague.com/dvdrb.jpg

[scoob19]

Since the output was continously coming in about .45GB short, I just set my output for 4.8G and it came out pretty close (about 4.30GB). Im not sure what the problem is/was, but this works good enough for me this time. Thanks for the help and suggestions.

[Anime]

i also got 400mb or more undersized issue when using same combination as thread author scoob19 `DVD Rebuilder Pro 1.26.6 and CCE SP 2.70`

main + movie + extra on Disc R2J EVA movie 1.01 (my dvd already gone thru other free authoring program "dvdecryptor, pgcdemux, muxman, voblanker, pgcedit) to blank and added subtitle)

undersize test
in 1 click mode or 3 click mode
most of the settings are quite default, already tried 1pass, 2pass, bitrate redistr/or not,encode menu or not, no steal nothing help,

the only changes that make output nearer to 4478mb/4.37GB is guessing the oversized target after a few tries.
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i also tried 1.27.3... but rebuilder auto close the moment started encode status

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just incase program author like to know
alot earlier before above tries rebuilder couldn't start `runtime error` in windows default program encoding = JIS
so have to switch to US english to run normaly

1.27.3
weirdly got a double slash path in output folder
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well reason for me using rebuilder is because i don't know how to get cce output m2v