Hi-quality Color Conversion

[Dragoneer]

I've tried using Windows Movie Maker to fix the red over-saturation of a large wmv file that I downloaded from a paid website. The file was composed from a DVD. Unfortunately, I can't find a program that can fix it while keeping the high-quality of the oriiginal file. I'm wondering if the problem may be a conflict issue. I recently tried the latest Nero program too, no luck.
I currently have these possiblly related programs installed:

Intervideo WinDVDCreator------CAME WITH COMPUTER---Best program I could find that appends/joins wmv files, and has excellent wmv to mpeg 2 conversion for making a DVD, but does not have color correction capabilities. Tried their upgrade to make chapters from wmv files, but it would lock-up. Did fine with making chapters from VHS to DVD.

Super DVD Creator-------------BOUGHT PROGRAM--------Only program I could find that can make chapters once the files were appended/joined by WinDVD Creator without locking-up. No color correction capabilities.

Windows Movie Maker----------CAME WITH COMPUTER---Has color correction capabilities, but quality of conversion is poor.

ArcSoft Showbiz---------------CAME WITH COMPUTER---Has color correction capabilties, but quality of conversion is poor. Shows ffdshow "not in blacklist or whitelist" notificatoin when opened.
Tried the feature to use ffd, but it didn't help. Don't know if the correct codecs were used, and don't know to force it to select a particular codec. Also, I don't know if the version I have can't make a hi-quality file. There is an upgrade, but it costs too much just for me to use for this reason, and doesn't have a trial version.

ffdshow rev-1860--------------FREE DOWNLOAD---------Codecs

Super-------------------------FREE DOWNLOAD---------File Convertor

1Click DVD Convertor----------BOUGHT PROGRAM

Easy MP3 Sound Recorder------FREE

Record Now!----------------- -CAME WITH COMPUTER

Nero Smart Start--------------RECENTLY BOUGHT EXTERNAL DVD DRIVE, IS THE SOFTWARE THAT COMES WITH THE DRIVE



I have 2 text files generated by Sherlock, one for Video codecs, and one for Audio codecs installed on my computer. To whom should I send it to have it analyzed to see if there is a way to use the codecs installed to keep the color corrected file hi-quality? And, if there is a conflict with the codecs and/or programs. Probably not that important, Sherlock reports I have one broken Divx Decoder Filter. It states the driver was not found, & was probably uninstalled incorrectly.

Lastly, does anyone know of a program or additional codecs that can accomplish this? Preferably a free one.

[Guest]

I've tried using Windows Movie Maker to fix the red over-saturation of a large wmv file that I downloaded from a paid website. We're a little careful about helping with downloaded files. What was the movie and where did you download it from? I give you the opportunity to clarify it, while I could just close the thread per forum rule 6 and the announcement in the Newbies forum.

[Guest]

[The poster has shown in a PM that the file is legit, so we may try to assist him.]

What format are you trying to end up with? Generally, the quality can be preserved pretty well if you use approproate settings for your encoder. But to advise you, we need to know what format you are trying to encode to.

[Dragoneer]

I'm trying to keep it as a WMV file, but if it has to be converted to something else that's fine. I should be able to view and further edit the file with the programs available to me, or use a another program suggested by you or someone else that can accomplish everything.

Dragoneer

[Guest]

Are you looking for a 1-click solution or are you willing to go pedal-to-the metal?

[Blue_MiSfit]

I think AviSynth and VirtualDub in combination would work pretty well. You're going to have to re-encode no matter what path you choose, so you could do an Xvid AVI or an x264 MP4 / MKV.

Virtualdub has a pretty good color correction filter, and this whole workflow is free.

Basically:
Install said programs
Write a simple script like this:

DirectShowSource("movie.wmv")

Drop script into Virtualdub, and play with color correction filter
Re-encode to whatever format you want.
~MiSfit

[Dragoneer]

neuron 2, as I am the owner of 1970 Nova with 400+ HP, I'm inclined to say yes, pedal to the metal! But I'm going to say so with caution as I'm delving into largely uncharted waters.
If there is a large difference between the quality of the two that's worth the blood, sweat & tears I may be facing, I'll go for it.


Blue_Misft, I'm totally green on this sort of thing. You'll have to walk me through it. For example, I don't know how to open VirtualDub to enter the info you gave, or how to make a particular program use a non-defaulted codec, or how to tell which codec(s) to use for a particular type of editing/conversion with ffdshow.
I have VirtualDub and AviSynth installed via ffdshow, but I don't think they're activated. The only reason I saw these sort of codecs was because some time ago I installed and regularly use Real Alternative w/MPC, and as you know, you need ffd for it to work.

[Guest]

Blue_Misfit, I'm totally green on this sort of thing. You'll have to walk me through it. There are many, many guides to using these programs available and easily findable with Google. We're not going to repeat that excellent material here again for you.

Just as you would read the Chilton's manual for your Nova, you need to do your video homework. If you run into a specific issue you can't get past, then post about it.

[Dragoneer]

neuron2, what happened? I thought at very least since I'm not worth the headache (because of my ignorance) to explain the now assuredly complicated method of the "pedal to the metal" way, you would have given me the 1 click solution. I'm assuming you didn't mean the 1ClickDVD Copy company.

[Guest]

Don't jump to conclusions, friend. The method I had in mind was already described by Blue_MiSfit.

[sidewinder711]

Dragoneer,
no mercy for newcomers ;) ... go here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=115727&highlight=duncan) for a start. I went through all of this a few months ago. It's worth to go for it... at the end you'll have mighty tools to improve your videos!

Greetz

[Guest]

That may confuse him, as his source files are WMV.

But jeez, just google "virtualdub guide". Is it so hard?

[Dragoneer]

Yes, it is hard. I’ve now spent about 12 hours (since my last post) of researching material and programs to figure out how to accomplish this color correction and have gotten nowhere.
What’s really starting to bother me is the cryptic nature of all of the information. It’s like visiting a foreign country you know very little about and everyone is expecting you to give a speech. Learning how to do such a simple task has turned me into feeling like a dog chasing their tail.
Is there a way to simply say for example, install X program>to open X program, click on A>click on B> after clicking B>enter XYZ, click D to close> click E to open area to change color to remove red> click F to change blue>click on G to select W filter…? I haven’t seen anything that explains how to do it this way.
I even found and downloaded a trial version of a program that purports to be able to do it simply and effectively, but the problem with the trial version is that it won’t allow you to see the change while you’re correcting the color which makes the whole process useless. You have to change the setting, close out that area, THEN go to another area to see the change.
With Windows Movie Maker, I can make the color correction in about three minutes because I can see what it’s doing. I spent 3 hours guessing at the right settings and then ran into a problem. I started the conversion and luckily decided to stop it after 5 minutes to see the results. I was shocked to see that it cropped the top and bottom , obviously I fooled with the wrong thing.
I started over and then had a new problem of the correct codecs/filters being able to convert the file even though I installed a codec/filter pack of 20 that was recommended with the program. On the site, it also gave a list of more than one-hundred codecs/filters that can be installed to work with it, all of which need to be installed one at a time! How the heck I’m I supposed to figure out which one works with what? I understand with this thing there is some trial and error involved but …over 100? You would think there would be a combo guide that would say for example, if you use X filter, don’t use Y, etc.
After all of this, I’m just about ready to give up on the whole thing.

[Guest]

We suggested VirtualDub, not Movie Maker. What problem are you experiencing in using VirtualDub to accomplish your task?

[Dragoneer]

I mentioned Movie Maker only to illustrate the difference between the ease of use with it and the trial version of Video Enhancer. I haven't used it since before my first post.
Now with Vdub. I downloaded 1.7.8 and Extracted All. The problem I now faced was that it has several Installers, VirtualDub, vdub and auxsetup. I think I chose auxsetup. I went back to see what would happen if I tried to use the other 2, and they both showed a message that read it already had the file installed.
What I am left with is another set of Installers with the same names, but the icons are a cog with filmstrip around it.
I opened auxsetup. I was too afraid to fool around with Install handler, so I clicked on Run VirtualDub which as you know is the same as clicking on the VirtualDub cog>click File on Toolbar>Open Video File>browsed for file>had to change File Types to All types>Open>I then got error message: ASF files are not supported.
I don't know how to use the Command Line Script. I suppose the command line that was given earlier should work, but HOW does it work? How does it link to the file and where do you work on the file? Does it work through another program? I have ffdshow installed and it already has vdub but isn't enabled. I have AviSynth also, via ffdshow. I think at least some of AviSynth is enabled. I read somewhere in my research that AviSynth was better at color correction than Vdub.
I'm also guessing that AviSynth procedures are exactly the same or at least similar to vdub.

[Southstorm]

Open up Notepad, then type DirectShowSource("Your movie here.wmv") save as Test.avs, then open that file up in VirtualDub. Then go to filters...

[Guest]

Now with Vdub. I downloaded 1.7.8 and Extracted All. The problem I now faced was that it has several Installers, VirtualDub, vdub and auxsetup. Those are not installers and VirtualDub does not need to be installed in the conventional sense. Just unzipping it to a directory is all that is needed. Then, to start VirtualDub, you execute VirtualDub.exe.

Then do as Southstorm advised.

[Dragoneer]

AWESOME!! It worked!! Thanks guys for all of your help. I can't believe how easy it was to use the utility, how fast it processed the whole file, and with excellent color correction! Now I have only two questions.

1. Does it matter where the destination is of the unzipped file is? Will it still work, will it affect speed, and quality? I'll clarify my question. At first I made a typo (which I didn't realize at first) and again got an error message similar to my previous post. I thought maybe the problem was because my file is on my external hard drive and I unzipped on my C drive. I then retyped the instruction and placed everything in the same folder on my external hard. After doing so is when I realized the typo. Since everything was there already I continued. This was just an afterthought about the file and destination locations, and made wonder if having everything in the same folder makes any difference.

2. Where can I get a list of or learn commands for using this highly powerful tool?

Again, thanks very much for helping and I'm sure that I'm now not the only one that's grateful!

[Guest]

It doesn't matter where you place the VirtualDub directory.

As I said before, just google "virtualdub guide".

[Dragoneer]

Cool, I'll get right to it. It should be easier for me to comprehend now that I know and understand the steps.

[sidewinder711]

Dragoneer,
congrats... don't give up! :)

Maybe these links are of help for you... at least they were for me very useful at the beginning.
Link1 (http://forums.virtualdub.org/)
Link2 (http://forums.virtualdub.org/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=14396)

Greetz

[Dragoneer]

In my exuberance over the ease of use, speed, and color correction quality of the output file using Vdub, I failed to notice one little, no, I should say…LARGE problem! The LARGE problem is file size,. The size of the input file is 284MB. The size of the output file?…19.8GB! No wonder the quality was excellent. Now it was back to the drawing board so I began researching again to find a way to compress the file. I found some info that said once you open VirtualDub you click on Video>Compression>select Divx filter>Configure.
I tried this on the 19.8GB file, but after several attempts after about 5 to 6 mins of conversion I kept getting an error message that reads: Audio samples 14817600-14835886 could not be read in the source. The file may be corrupted.. I then went offline shut down my anti-virus/anti-spyware program, Set Point which is for my Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard, and some other running programs to free up the RAM and prevent any possible conflicts.
By the way, I didn’t use the command line because I assumed that it was only designed for a wmv file and not an avi file. I didn’t want to try to guess and make my own. I thought about simply replacing .wmv with .avi, and enter: DirectShowSource ("my file name .avi") in the command line but decided I better ask first. Would that work if you input an avi file? PLEASE DON’T FORGET TO ANSWER THIS.
I then decided to start over and color correct and compress at the same time. This worked, but the quality was good, not excellent, and surprisingly the file size was only 250MB. I tried several filters that were listed but either they resulted in poor quality or the quality was really good to excellent, but the file size was far too large.
So I went back to using the Divx filter Community Codec v.6.8 and decided to play with the quality settings and came up with one that was somewhat acceptable. After clicking on Configure>move slider as far right as possible>change Rate control Mode pull-down to, 1pass-quality based, and right next to it, change Target Quartizer to 2. I left the default setting of Home Theater Profile under Certification Profile. This took approx. 45mins to convert and the resulting file is 501MB. The quality was to my liking but I wish I could find a way to have a smaller file size with a faster conversion time.
My question is, is my method the wrong way to accomplish getting an excellent result with the color correction quality, speed and file size, or did I figure the out the best solution to accomplish this? Is there a specific filter that I should be using, or command line along with the one I’m using?
I’ve done a lot of research and trial and error and this is the best I’ve come up with.


EDIT: P.S. sidewinder711, didn't notice your post because it was on the next page and thought mine was the last. Thanks, will check them out.

[Guest]

If you want to load an AVI file via Avisynth, then use this:

AVISource("file.avi")

You're right to just start over though.

WMV compresses more than DivX, so you will have a larger file than your input file with equivalent quality.

You have the option to encode back to WMV or perhaps H.264. It depends on your requirements.

[Dragoneer]

I think I should clarify more precisly what I did. I just re-read my post and I noticed that it may be misinterpreted the way I stated it. When I said that I started over I meant that I used the original 284MB wmv file, not the converted 19.8GB avi file to get my results. I was never able to get a completed conversion using the avi file.
Thanks Neuron2, another piece of valuable info enabling me to eventually pull myself out of the mire!

[Guest]

I think I should clarify more precisly what I did. I just re-read my post and I noticed that it may be misinterpreted the way I stated it. When I said that I started over I meant that I used the original 284MB wmv file, not the converted 19.8GB avi file to get my results. That's what I thought you meant.

[Dragoneer]

Big problem. I installed AviSynth_070919 but couldn't find a way to open it the way Vdub is opened. I entered the comand line AVISource("name of file.avi")
into Notepad with the target filename, then the file turned into a 26byte file that Properties shows as a Video Clip that displays a wmv icon that won't play with either WMP or MPC.
Is the file now permanently corrupted, or can it be reversed and worked on again?
What did I do wrong? What do I do to remedy this problem?

[Southstorm]

The file you save from notepad should always have an .avs extension.

[Dragoneer]

Southstorm, I changed the extension to .avs and tried it on other converted to avi iles also, but nothing happened. I copied and pasted the command line given by neuron2 which had .avi, so I'll see what solution he can come up with.
What is supposed to happen once the Notepad file is saved with the .avs extension? I even tried to use VDub to open it, but it doesn't see it, and if I change it to All types so it sees it, I get an error message that it cannot detect the file type.

[Guest]

Go to www.avisynth.org and follow the beginner instructions.

Could be that your editor is saving as RTF or something.

You should have installed Avisynth. It sounds to me like you haven't done that. Explain what you did to install Avisynth.

Then make a text file called "version.avs". In it is one line:

Version()

Then open VirtualDub and use File/Open video file to open the version.avs file. Tell us what happens.

[Dragoneer]

When I installed AviSynth_070919, I left it on my C drive and the file on my External Hard Drive. There are some options that I did not check while going through the installation process. They are as follows:
Associate AVS with Media Player 6.4 (play)
Add AviSynth Script to New Items menu
Select Extra Files. >Next>Install.
I then went to All Programs and looked for a way to open it, but there isn't a way to open anything resembling VDub.
Was I supposed to check these? I will wait for your answer and proceed with the last command line you posted.

Neuron2 you stated: In it is one line:

Version()

I don't understand what you mean.

[Dragoneer]

I entered "version.avs" into Notepad with quotations, saved it then opened it with VDub and got an error message: AviSynth open failure: The script's return value was not a video clip.

[Guest]

I entered "version.avs" into Notepad with quotations Read what I wrote again and try to follow the directions.

Your script file's name is version.avs. The contents of that file is a single line:

Version()

Is it so hard to understand?

[Dragoneer]

AviSynth 2.58, build:Sep 19 2007 [22:10:51]

[Guest]

Ok, so now you know how to use Avisynth.

Now make a new script that contains this:

AVISource("myfile.avi")

Open that script in VirtualDub and you should see your video. What happens?

[Dragoneer]

This is exactly what I entered into Notepad, AVISource("Test BQ.avi") and Saved As, Test BQ.avi. It generated a 29 byte video file with the wmv logo. I opened

Vdub and entered that file and it gave an error message: Cannot detect type of file of... I sent the file generated by Notepad to my Desktop, and the avi file is

on my external hard drive.

Shouldn't it make a Avisynth Script file like it did when I made the color correction (and the Version Script file) before it changed to an avi file?

Does it matter what the file name is for this script? Of course Test BQ is name of the file which is a slight variation of the original name (Test) from which I made

many test files to get the best quality and file size.

[Guest]

This is exactly what I entered into Notepad, AVISource("Test BQ.avi") and Saved As, Test BQ.avi. Are you saying you saved the script from Notepad to a file name "Test BQ.avi"??? Haven't we told you several times that you have to use the extension 'avs'? So you have to save it as "Test BQ.avs".

Does it matter what the file name is for this script? Is "the extension must be .avs" not clear enough?

Make sure you have Windows configured to show file extensions, so that you can be sure your script file has the AVS extension. Some stupid editors can put an unexpected extension and you don't see it because Windows hides it.

[Dragoneer]

Actually I did try the .avs extension for the file name, but for some reason it didn't work. I have restarted my computer since that time. Maybe it was locked in

the wrong extension mode after I entered it incorrectly.

Thanks, it now works. Now that we finally have that issue out of the way, now we can move on to the step we are after. I thought I would see a setting to

change it back to wmv as you proposed in an earlier post. How is that is done via VDub/AviSynth, or is that not possible?

[Guest]

You can't encode WMV from inside VirtualDub (that I know of). You need the encoder:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/encoder/default.mspx

Are you sure you need WMV? Because this is not an easy thing and you've already demonstrated that you are at an early phase of the encoding learning curve. Can you live with DivX? If not, what exactly is your end goal and why?

[Dragoneer]

The point of changing back to wmv after the color correction was to reduce the file size. If you remember some of the previous posts, a major concern to me is the quality, speed and size of the completed file. I used the DivX Community Codec v.6.8 filter to compress the wmv file while color correcting with the HSV adjust filter at the same time. What I got with a lot of trial & error was a 501MB avi file with very good quality that took about 45mins to convert from a 284MB wmv file.
Also, if you remember you stated:

WMV compresses more than DivX, so you will have a larger file than your input file with equivalent quality.
You have the option to encode back to WMV or perhaps H.264. It depends on your requirements.

If it's too difficult and not worth the hassle, I'll just try and figure out some other way. Maybe I can use a conversion program I have to see if will reduce the size, but typically any conversion I've done with it produces a much larger file.

If you (or anyone else) knows of a particular codec/filter for VirtualDub and/or AviSynth that compresses quickly with excellent quality from wmv, please let me know ASAP. There are literally hundreds of them out there, so any help on this matter is greatly appreciated. I'll still be checking myself.

Thanks,

Dragoneer

[Guest]

You may find a (deprecated) VFW implementation of x264. E.g.:

http://teek.info/guides/video/x264encode.html

That is your best bet for compression comparable to WMV.

Have you considered just correcting the color at playback time, using a filter in ffdshow? It would save you a lot of hassle.

[Dragoneer]

I did a quick perusal of the site you gave the link for. For the moment I'll try the playback method using ffdshow that you suggested. Please explain how to accomplish that. I've always wondered how to use ffdshow manually, but never tried because the programs I have to do the tasks I wanted up until now automatically tapped into ffdshow.

[Southstorm]

And they will continue to automatically "tap" into ffdshow. When you play a video file, do you see the ffdshow icon in the tray, next to the clock? Right click on it, or even double-click, and go nuts.

[Dragoneer]

Thanks, but unfortunately there are two problems.

1. When the original wmv file is played with either WMP or MPC, the ffdshow icon doesn't appear on the System Tray. It only appears when I play the decoded avi file.

2. When playing the avi file, I don't see anything in the pulldown menu for ffdshow on the System Tray that is for compressing and/or converting the file to wmv. I checked in the video area but found nothing that will compress or convert.

At this point, compression and conversion is my main focus. If I can color correct & compress the original wmv file in playback mode with excellent speed and quality, great!

I'll even settle for using a color corrected & compressed avi file, and then use the aforementioned playback method to recompress and convert it back to wmv.

What to do now?!:confused:

Southstorm, any further info to reach this goal would make my day!

Thanks again.

[Guest]

At this point, compression and conversion is my main focus. If I can color correct & compress the original wmv file in playback mode with excellent speed and quality, great! You've been told everything you need to do that.

[Dragoneer]

I have not been told HOW to manually use ffdshow. Only where to find the manual use of it.
Again, I don't see where the compression, and conversion to wmv is.
Can you please tell me what to click on so I can use it manually?
I chose this method first because it appears it's much simpler than the site I perused earlier of the teek.info link.
Also, I didn't download the Windows Media Encoder because it states that it's for WMP 9, but I have 10 with Media Center Edition. I'm afrraid of conflicts because I've had a problem in the past with trying to for example upgrade to 11. It crashed my Media Center & WMP. I eventually had to use the Recovery Disc. So, if you're absoulutely sure that I won't have a problem, I'll install it if that will make the ffdshow work manually.

[Southstorm]

If you're using VirtualDub as discussed earlier, Under the video menu, goto compression, select ffdshow, select the encode TAB, select codec of choice...

[Dragoneer]

Southstorm, I just followed your excellent directions doing a "dry run" to make sure I was able to see what I was looking for. I'm going to do some serious testing of various configurations to see what I can come up with.

Again thanks a lot, and dagummit, you did make my day!!

[Guest]

In the ffdshow config window, click and highlight Picture Properties, you then have adjustments available.

[Dragoneer]

Thank's Neuron2, that really helps. I wouldn't have checked there because I thought it's only for pictures after a video capture and not video. I'm about to start my testing now.

[Dragoneer]

Southstorm, thanks again! I was able to get a better result than the last configuration I posted using Divx while doing a color correction and compression together. Choosing the ffdshow option under Video>Compression>ffdshow Video Codec works a lot faster than using the Divx option.
In fact, it was a huge difference. Here is the difference between the one I did before using ffdshow and after.

AFTER---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BEFORE


Encoder- MPEG4 FOURCC- XVID, MODE-one pass-quantizer--2 (defaults at 2)---------------------Using the Divx filter Community Codec v.6.8 click on Configure>move slider as

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- far right as possible>change Rate control Mode pull-down to, 1pass-quality

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------based, and right next to it, change Target Quantizer to 2. Left the default

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------setting of Home Theater Profile under Certification Profile.


Original file=284MB-Converted File=396MB-------------------------------------------------------Original file is 284MB-Converted File: 501MB

Conversion time: 17mins Quality: VERY GOOD----------------------------------------------------Conversion time: 45mins. Quality: VERY GOOD

There are a couple of nagging questions I still have. I still can’t use Picture Properties with a wmv file in playback mode.. The setting is available with an already completed avi file (that I already color corrected), but even then if I wanted to, I still would not be able to color correct because nothing happens when I move the sliders.

I then thought about Neuron’s suggestion that I install some wmv codecs from the link he posted. Then I thought I remembered that just before my first post on this site I saw that Sherlock reported that I have some wmv 9 codecs installed. I then ran Sherlock again and sure enough, there are some codec that look like they could be the aforementioned codecs. Here’s a redacted list of the codecs that seem

relevant:

Mpeg4 Decoder DMO
FileVersion = 9.00.00.3250
FileDescription = Corona Windows Media MPEG-4 Video Decoder

Mpeg43 Decoder DMO
FileVersion = 9.00.00.3250
FileDescription = Windows Media MPEG-4 Video Decoder

Mpeg4s Decoder DMO
FileVersion = 9.00.00.3250
FileDescription = Corona Windows Media MPEG-4 S Video Decoder

MSScreen 9 encoder DMO
FileVersion = 10.00.00.3646
FileDescription = Corona Windows Media Screen Encoder

I used the link and after fishing around a bit, downloaded what seemed to be correct and looked at the installer and immediately recognized that I may already have it. I checked, and yes I already installed it a long time ago.

My other big question is about XVID. I thought that I had installed it a long time ago, but checked and remembered that my anti-spyware program flagged it as malicious and I uninstalled it. I still have the installer. So today I went looking for another one and started finding out that this is purportedly for MACS. I was starting to wonder what was going on because every time I tried to download one it wouldn’t work. Then, finally I came across one that states it’s designed for Windows /Vdub and DL it.
I haven’t installed it as yet because I want to find out from someone knowledgeable about this if I should.

The codec is XviD-1.1.3-28062007 and has a large fancy X as the installer icon.

Will installing XVID make any difference? This really peaked my curiosity because of the Encoder settings I used.

I know this is a lot to digest, but please bear with me. Remember, I’m just a lowly newbie, and all of this isn’t in vain.

Thanks for your patience,

Dragoneer