First whack at that uncompressed source clip

[Inventive Software]

What do people know about adding trackers, i.e when you've downloaded it? Would be useful if it goes down again. Not ribbing, just looking to make it a lil more reliable.

[benwaggoner]

What do people know about adding trackers, i.e when you've downloaded it? Would be useful if it goes down again. Not ribbing, just looking to make it a lil more reliable.
I thought I set up the file to use distributed trackers, so it should have kept working after the server went down. Not sure what went wrong there.

[Inventive Software]

*bump*

I figured out how to use the uni's enormous internet speeds for my use on BitTorrent, but the tracker again seems to be down, and I can only see 1 peer........:confused:

[benwaggoner]

*bump*

I figured out how to use the uni's enormous internet speeds for my use on BitTorrent, but the tracker again seems to be down, and I can only see 1 peer........:confused:
Hmmm. I'm not at home right now, but I can't ping that machine, so it's down. That power switch is very toddler-compelling...

I'll kick it off again tonight.

And anyone better at hosting than me is welcome to share it as well!

[benwaggoner]

I'll kick it off again tonight.
...and it's back up!

[TEB]

I have it on at work constantly.. @ 85% now i belive @ on a 50mbit link

[benwaggoner]

Glad to hear it's working again.

And again, the license on the last page is for "any use whatsoever" - anyone's welcome to transcode it into another source format, distribute it on their own, or whatever.

[benwaggoner]

Hey all,

I got a DSL update that (yeah!) has taken me up to 12 Mbps, but (no!) took away all my static IP addresses. Thus the tracker is down.

Anyone still trying to download? I presume there's some way to do it via NAS, but I haven't looked into it yet.

Anyone else is welcome to share the file out, of course.

[Sharktooth]

use a dynamic dns ... :p
http://www.dyndns.com/

[benwaggoner]

use a dynamic dns ... :p
http://www.dyndns.com/
Medium-term I'll just stick it up on connect.microsoft.com when I'm on campus and can upload it.

[Inventive Software]

@Ben: please do that. You have no idea how fast our university can download from Microsoft's website! :D

[CruNcher]

Argh i missed it, does someone have a torrent to it that's still seeded ?

[benwaggoner]

Argh i missed it, does someone have a torrent to it that's still seeded ?
Ugh, I still haven't set up dynamic DNS here, sorry.

I'll try to get around it in a few days. Anyone else is welcome to seed it, of course.

That said, I've been staring at the clip a bunch the last few weeks, and I'm thinking about going back and doing some color correction. Some parts are too dark, and others are inexplicable magenta-tinged.

[CruNcher]

Thx Ben for your help :)

[benwaggoner]

Thx Ben for your help :)
Did you find it yet?

I didn't get a chance to get it done before I left on this week's trip to Boston. Alas, I didn't find a good place to stick something that large on Microsoft.com.

Any preference between me getting the current one hosted versus doing a new tweaked version from the 10-bit source?

[CruNcher]

Did you find it yet?

I didn't get a chance to get it done before I left on this week's trip to Boston. Alas, I didn't find a good place to stick something that large on Microsoft.com.

Any preference between me getting the current one hosted versus doing a new tweaked version from the 10-bit source?

It doesn't hurry :) take your time and paint it like you want it to be first ;) i actually have the TallShip_1080i_ATSC.ts one if that is also the uncompressed version could you maybe look for a longer lasting closeup scene of one of the Crew Members @ 2:23 there is not a super closeup but in that direction (perfect would be a conversation like http://s7.directupload.net/file/d/1499/dzr87ssc_png.htm closeup), tough this one is to short and the one that follows it of that woman @ 2:24 is underexposed and again to short :(

[benwaggoner]

It doesn't hurry :) take your time and paint it like you want it to be first ;) i actually have the TallShip_1080i_ATSC.ts one if that is also the uncompressed version could you maybe look for a longer lasting closeup scene of one of the Crew Members @ 2:23 there is not a super closeup but in that direction (perfect would be a conversation like http://s7.directupload.net/file/d/1499/dzr87ssc_png.htm closeup), tough this one is to short and the one that follows it of that woman @ 2:24 is underexposed and again to short :(
I don't have any different edits of the 1080i source, and given how long it's taken me to get around to finishing the 1080p24 source, I wouldn't want to have to go back to tape :).

The main thing I'd do in a "remaster" would be to add a title sequence, rerender the end credits, and fix some exposure and color timing issues in the 10-bit master.

[CruNcher]

I don't have any different edits of the 1080i source, and given how long it's taken me to get around to finishing the 1080p24 source, I wouldn't want to have to go back to tape :).

The main thing I'd do in a "remaster" would be to add a title sequence, rerender the end credits, and fix some exposure and color timing issues in the 10-bit master.

OK thats fine then any estimation when we can expect the release of the 1080p24 version :) ?

[benwaggoner]

OK thats fine then any estimation when we can expect the release of the 1080p24 version :) ?
Ugh.

So, here's a quick question:

What's an appropriate percentage of the file to be spent on the credits? Also, anyone know what's ballpark "standard" for font size and scroll speed in film credits?

I also should do some opening credits something. Any thoughts as to what that could be?

Those are the things I think about when I sit down to start working on it, before I get distracted and do something else :).

[Sharktooth]

use helvetica (Arial). it's readable. Or a free readable font.
credits lenght depends on you. usually movies have from 1 to 10 mins of credits.
if you put all the credits on opening then the shorter the better.

[benwaggoner]

use helvetica (Arial). it's readable. Or a free readable font.
credits lenght depends on you. usually movies have from 1 to 10 mins of credits.
if you put all the credits on opening then the shorter the better.
I want to have about the same proportion of credits/main content in the clip as in a typical movie, of typical movie style.

[Koadic]

Doing some quick research on what I have available, I have found that credits make up around 10% of a 2 hour movie. 1.5-2 minutes at the begining (about 1.5%) with some sort of studio identifier(s) of around 30 seconds and then video overlaid with text fading in and out for another 1 to 1.5 minutes. Then about 10 minutes (about 8.5%) of scrolling text on a black background at the end with a scroll rate of about 10% per second (full 16/9) or about 13% per second (2.35:1).

If I have read correctly, this is the kind of information your looking for.

[Sagittaire]

I want to have about the same proportion of credits/main content in the clip as in a typical movie, of typical movie style.

Well 5% is a good deal ...

[TEB]

Hi. I was tinkering with avisynth and this clip for feeding x264 with.
I see that the clip is YUV2 1080i30 right? Could a good soul here with avisynth knowledge print out an example on how to properly make this clip progressive and in the right colourspace handled by x264?

thx

TEB

[Sagekilla]

Easy:

Deinterlacer()
ConvertToYV12()


Replace Deinterlacer() with any one of the number of deinterlacers available: Yadif, mcbob, TGMC, etc.

[benwaggoner]

Oh, and am I ever embarassed that I haven't done anything on the 24p version in ages. Nice to see someone working with the 1080i, though.

I wish I could promise something soon. But I've got 1 and 1/3rd books to get written in the next six months...

[Biggiesized]

It sounds like this is never gonna happen.

[benwaggoner]

It sounds like this is never gonna happen.
I delude myself that I'll get to it one of these days...

The good thing is Moore's Law makes it easier to do the longer I wait :). Once the new Cineform Prospect integration with Premiere Pro CS4 is done, it should be an afternoon's work instead of a week's work.

[Biggiesized]

And what tools do you need to get your second book out in a month's time rather than the better part of a decade? :p

[benwaggoner]

And what tools do you need to get your second book out in a month's time rather than the better part of a decade? :p
I've actually completed the book, and it should be in stores in November!

[Lyris]

Let us know when/where to get it!

[Biggiesized]

How revised is it compared to your first edition? I remember reading about codecs that, for all intents and purposes, no longer exist in today's production use.

On-topic: that clip is great, but we need the film only version :p

[benwaggoner]

How revised is it compared to your first edition? I remember reading about codecs that, for all intents and purposes, no longer exist in today's production use.
It's pretty radically different; probably 80% of the text is new.

On-topic: that clip is great, but we need the film only version :p
Yeah...