Divx does it again with Stage6 (community supportive company?)

[grumpy]

There is a tread a to discuss netflix and the merits of their decision to go blu-ray, so I thought why not one on stage6.

I'm sure it was expensive for them, and completely unsustainable without a lot of ad revenue. That I completely understand. I was hoping, however, someone here could help me better understand their business decision to give their community less then 3 days notice (I have heard that they are already deleting). For a company that seems to rely so heavily on the enthusiast community, It seems counterintuitive to suddenly treat them as an after thought.

[Shinigami-Sama]

I have a feeling it has to do with some bitchy company sending CnD orders, or some similar BS

[grumpy]

I have a feeling it has to do with some bitchy company sending CnD orders, or some similar BS

That sounds about right, and if their search tool is any indication, they are probably not capable of any kind of policing that would appease a bitchy company. Still 3 days notice for the termination of the whole project? I would hope we hear more on this from them in the very near future.

I would think that they would now try to push for people to host files on their own sites in divx, but with flash and other video services already filling that niche, and with them not really offering anything new in the file transfer method, or file size(although HD is still pretty rare), or infrastructure to support monetization to support hosting through subscription or ad support (that would allow for the hosting of HD), All I can say is good luck on that front.

[ChronoCross]

I have a feeling it has to do with some bitchy company sending CnD orders, or some similar BS

Honestly I doubt it. Even with CnD orders it's a very simple way to comply. The main factor is definitely cost. Stage 6 is a bandwidth intensive application that uses probably 6-7 times the amount of bandwidth per video than youtube. so even if they were bringing in the same amount of money, the amount of money leaving would be substantially greater.

[grumpy]

Honestly I doubt it. Even with CnD orders it's a very simple way to comply. The main factor is definitely cost. Stage 6 is a bandwidth intensive application that uses probably 6-7 times the amount of bandwidth per video than youtube. so even if they were bringing in the same amount of money, the amount of money leaving would be substantially greater.
The thing is a Cnd with the threat of imminent court intervention is the only justifiable reason I see for them to be doing it as abruptly as they are, unless they are on the verge or bankruptcy, in which case they still should have know in advance.

[Shinigami-Sama]

The thing is a Cnd with the threat of imminent court intervention is the only justifiable reason I see for them to be doing it as abruptly as they are, unless they are on the verge or bankruptcy, in which case they still should have know in advance.

in which case they should have announced termination when they bought MC
:rolleyes:

also
bandwidth is cheap...

[Guest]

bandwidth is cheap... No it's not! Have you ever priced that large a service with an ISP?

I used to have a piddling little site where I served swimming videos. As soon as traffic built up, the ISP required me to upgrade to a premium account at very premium prices. I had to drop the venture.

[Shinigami-Sama]

No it's not! Have you ever priced that large a service with an ISP?

I used to have a piddling little site where I served swimming videos. As soon as traffic built up, the ISP required me to upgrade to a premium account at very premium prices. I had to drop the venture.

you just need a little shopping around to find a good ISP

I can get a very good co-location deal in Vancouver
or at least it used to be good, I havn't checked a few months so it may have changed..

[Guest]

you just need a little shopping around to find a good ISP Like I didn't shop around. LOL. Tell us the link to this cheap provider you're talking about.

[Shinigami-Sama]

Like I didn't shop around. LOL. Tell us the link to this cheap provider you're talking about.

hmm I can't find the provider anymore
odd

[ChronoCross]

bandwidth is cheap...

It's not that cheap. Plus infrastructure costs and IT personnel needed to maintain it.

[chilledoutuk]

In all honesty if you have your own content then something like
www.vimeo.com

Its better than stage6 anyways especially if you upload content in 1280x720 24p.

like this
http://vimeo.com/469881

But beware if you upload anything thats not your own content they will ban you.

there is discussion on videohelp and a discovery that if you put
&fmt=18
at the end of the url then it will attempt to look for an playback the H.264 version of the video in the flash player which is cool as it can be quite a quality boost and a lot of these versions are around for the iphone.

[Kurtnoise]

Serious Drama, And Lots Of Stupidity, Behind Stage6 Shutdown (http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/26/serious-drama-and-lots-of-stupidity-behind-stage6-shutdown/)...:eek:

[Shinigami-Sama]

Serious Drama, And Lots Of Stupidity, Behind Stage6 Shutdown (http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/26/serious-drama-and-lots-of-stupidity-behind-stage6-shutdown/)...:eek:

lol
epic fail

[Ranguvar]

chilledout, do stream the upload directly? Ah, there's a 500MB limit weekly... not for me. Wait. Is it 500MB of bandwidth weekly? Or you can upload 500MB each week? And can its web player decode high profile AVC?

I'll test these myself if you don't know, just looking for easy answers :p

[chilledoutuk]

Ranguvar simple you can upload 500mb of videos a week per an account on vimeo.

There is no limit on bandwidth videos on vimeo.

to upload hd contend encode to 1280x720 24p in H.264 and there system will recognise it automatically as hd and offer two versions to customers a HD one and a SD one.

vimeo is getting ragged at the moment because of stage6 closing and thus you have to be patient as it can take 3 hours for them to process you videos but once they do you will be glad as they look insanely good quality compared to yousquint i mean youtube.

just don't upload anything thats not your contend otherwise you will get banned lol.

If anyone knows of any other hosts using the new H.264 capability of flash player 9 let me know as i still have some videos i would like to upload but i got banned form vimeo lol.

I would point out that you don't need to have a hd camera to use vimeos superior quality as you can upscale a SD picture to take advantage of the bandwidth on the hd service on vimeo.

[check]

The main factor is definitely cost. Stage 6 is a bandwidth intensive application that uses probably 6-7 times the amount of bandwidth per video than youtube. so even if they were bringing in the same amount of money, the amount of money leaving would be substantially greater.Agreed. In addition, nobody apart from a tiny number of people cared about the quality increase, and requiring a new plugin be installed, PLUS slower streaming (due to higher bitrates) simply killed the popularity.

It's somewhat sad to see them go.
On the negative side, their browser plugin also randomly placed icons on my desktop. On the positive side, it was only one, which is not very much compared to some other divx products :rolleyes:
They were a nice place to find some HD game trailers, although gamevideos.com is really the easiest place to get them from now (although .divx > .wmv).

[Ranguvar]

Yeah, I'm looking for a replacement for Stage6 as the HQ versions of all my montages (Gears of War sniper) were uploaded there. And since Mythica's down too (although it was never my first choice, I try to avoid WMV).

Hm, 24p? My montages are capped in 29.97p, will this be a problem do you think?

@chrono: The installer just places links to My DivX Movies or whatever and one other one, and only once :p You make it sound like adware :p And actually WMV9 is very very comparable to DivX... at least in terms of efficiency. I prefer Xvid over both, but yeah. And VC-1 WMV blows all others except AVC out of the water generally :D But I do avoid MS roducts :p

[chilledoutuk]

there way of getting your video down to 24p is a bit simple ie they just drop frame so on vimeo you need to convert to 24p otherwise they will and badly.

[Ranguvar]

Arrgh. That's even worse than YouTube's 25p conversion. Alright... are SD videos also limited in this way? If so, I'll keep looking. Gears looks terribly stuttery converted to film, no matter what changer is used.

[chilledoutuk]

sd videos will be left at there native fps upto a limit of 30fps so a 60fps video will be converted to 30fps.

[webmastermarty]

I believe it was legal issues myself... Who knows the complete truth though...